What's wrong with my detonator style mod?

[Led Hendriani]

Even when the voltage reads over 3.9 it is not producing enough or operating anything like the 510 manual battery as it did just a couple of days ago (18500 batt).

The only way to get it to operate correctly is to hit the momentary switch for about 3-5 seconds then start dragging on it, and it only hits good after it is warmed up a bit now.

Was I supposed to put in a resistor? I thought that it was only if I used an LED...

I was going to charge the battery yet again, but noticed that it was reading 3.9 volts. I can still use it but it requires a lot more work, and, I don't want to charge for 3 hours or so just to get 1 hour at 4.18V

I am wondering if it is not set up correctly. when checking for voltage(with the negative on the negative)if I touch positive, then let that positive also touch the negative momentarily, it will then read 1.99 or 2.00 volts until I turn off the momentary switch.

I used a eyeglass screw for the center hole of the connector since just putting a couple of drops of solder over the hole disallowed connectivity (the atty was then contacting both positive and negative via the center post.

What do I need to do?

Also, I am looking forward to making another, this time with 2 CR123's and a regulator to keep it at 5V.
Do I need to add something so that the 2 protected batts will not explode from being inline?

TIA!

 

[Nepenthy]

Is your atty making connection with the power source? Would be my first thought. If it only works partially when u are pulling from it, maybe the added pressure makes temporary contact. If its not making contact, search the forums for the staple mod to correct without a connector redesign.

You dont need anything else for cr123's inline. The batteries themselves should be protected, and i believe the regulator also has protection, thermal at least. You may want to drill a small vent hole, furthest from your face, just in case.

 

[Marctwo]

I am wondering if it is not set up correctly. when checking for voltage(with the negative on the negative)if I touch positive, then let that positive also touch the negative momentarily, it will then read 1.99 or 2.00 volts until I turn off the momentary switch.

That would be a short circuit... don't do that. A battery with short circuit protection should cut off altogether in this event.

Test the voltage under load without shorting and see what kind of voltage drop you get. It may be that your battery can't supply the ~1.5C discharge current.

 

[Led Hendriani]

I know that it is making contact because the eyeglass screw is round and juts out just a bit. Even when almost fully seated, it can rock side to side if I put enough pressure on it. I can live with the less than perfect seating issue if it would just hit like it did when freshly charged. My 510 manual batt was reading 3.52 and was still hitting great...

Right now I just tested and it is at 3.77...
It feels like when you take the last pull and the battery goes out half way through so you only get half a hit. It does this consistently

BTW---In the Detonator type mod (I have the same flashlight that he has in the video) I just now removed the protective rubber piece on the master switch at the tail, and used a medium sized safety pin to poke two holes for explosion relief... there are two squares and it is as logical as it looks... angle towards the spring when poking through... It is not the biggest holes, but since there are two, it looks like it is enough after routing it out...Now I don't have to compromise the clean and dry state in the batt compartment since there is a protective rubber piece keeping it clean and dry!!!

YES!!!!
SLAPPED it back together and now it is working pretty good!!! I wonder if the negative spring on the tailpiece just needed to be moved around a bit!!???!!!

Thanks!

 

[Led Hendriani]

Back to its old ways in short order...

One problem may be that I have a passthru without a batt for the 510 that reads at 4.59V and know what I need a 5V mod instead of a 3.7! I know it will never be this with one 18500, but there still is some other issue as evidenced by the fact that it just was working OK a few minutes ago....

 

[Marctwo]

Right now I just tested and it is at 3.77...

Is that under load?

What's the voltage with atty off?
What's the voltage with atty on?

 

[Led Hendriani]

And now I am realizing that it may be a juice issue also...
The Cinnibiscus works great on this mod...
My homemade batch of 50/50 PgVg with Milk Chocolate Toffee and various other mixes is having a hard time producing results as good as it once did...
Probably need to blow out the atties that have that stuff in there!!!!

The atty for the Cinnibiscus is the same one since I got it a week or so ago...
I do know that last night it was hard to hit this though on the detonator...

How often do I need to take out the blue foam to clean it? Up until I got a new 510 atty and just topped off on a still in place blue foam, I was consistently using tweezers on the two Cignot 510 atty's (which I believe are L2's{I WAS WRONG}) but I was noticing that the blue foam was getting pulled out of shape so I decided to try leaving it in place with the new atty...

Yowza! This Cinnibiscus is GOOD!!!!
And so I just tried the other atty with the other juice and it is working again!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Led Hendriani]

"Is that under load?

What's the voltage with atty off?
What's the voltage with atty on"

3.77 atty off and momentary switch applied
3.77 take battery out of unit and test

How do you test with the atty on?????
Thanks!!!

BTW--- I get the best results when it is freshly topped off. So it is like dripping since there is one or two drops on top of the foam.

 

[Led Hendriani]

The 2 atty's from cignot are reading 2.5 ohms 1 month old
The new atty is reading 3.2 ohms 3-4 days old

 

[Marctwo]

Well, it's sounding more like a use/technique issue to me.

Try to just keep your atty nice and wet and keep your draws soft and smooth.

BTW: Why are you blocking the hole with a screw? Is this for health & safety (lead solder?) or are you intentionally trying to restrict the airflow?

 

[WillyB]

The 2 L2's from cignot are reading 2.5 ohms 1 month old
The Joye atty is reading 3.2 ohms 3-4 days old

Something's not right. CigNot sells only Joye products and those atties come in at about 2.3 ohms. L2 is just some made up name by StrictlyEjuice, the masters of obfuscation, for their inferior DSE-510 semi-clones (made by SLB).

 

[HippyGirl]

something's not right. Cignot sells only joye products and those atties come in at about 2.3 ohms. L2 is just some made up name by strictlyejuice, the masters of obfuscation, for their inferior dse-510 semi-clones (made by slb).

snort!

:d

 

[Led Hendriani]

From the gate this mod took me many hours on 2 days to finally get it working!

The hole is only being covered because I originally put 2 drops of solder in and on the hole to prevent juice from entering into the batt chamber. When I tried it out, even though it was reading full power, there was no hit with the atty on. It took a while until I saw that the 510 atty has both pos & neg on the same threaded male post, divided by the white material. I then surmised that the matching female post on the batt connector must now be contacting both polarities, or that some went over the side and is shorting out internally. I then used a solder sucker to pull as much as I could, but it still would not work. I then actually thought that there was something wrong with the switch, so I put the 2nd one I had just received on and still no go.

So I took the mod apart and could not find any small flat headed brass nails that I always seem to have in my various parts boxes bags and bins, and finally thought of the eyeglass screw. If I did it again, I would file the head of that screw down some(or, just solder from the other side and not worry about a little juice going into that hole since the other side is sealed). There is a flathead slot already cut into the screw, so it does get some air.

The L2 mistake---This was all from old info a month ago when researching buying an ecig altogether. I was under the impression that the Cignot attys were L2. It looks as though I am wrong! I thought that if you saw a ring of metal around the mesh, like a washer, that it was aftermarket. When I received two more 510 attys from another source and the mesh was big and fat and I saw barely any washer, I thought that it was the original Joye, but now I recall them stating that they did not know which they were, only that they work good.

 

[Led Hendriani]

Dang it if it wasn't letting too much air in because of the extra height from the rounded screw head!!!!

Now to flatten the head of that rounded screw...

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For the time being I am using dental floss around where the connectors meet and now allow only a little air in and although it is harder to hit, it gives almost as much vapor as my 4.5 passthru!

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Well, OK, not almost as much, but better than it was for sure...

I finally found my little Harbor Freight Dremel like tool and flattened the head of the screw and it works a heck of a lot better than before!

Thanks to all for the help!!!

 

[Led Hendriani]

The real issue with this was that the wires I used were a bit too thick.... I think it added more resistance...

I just soldered in some thinner wires last night and it is really running like a champ!!!

Live and learn!!!

Thanks!