What's your opinion about made-in-china

[bikerbeagle]

It doesn't really matter what you 'think' about china-made products, their manufacturing standards, their 'theft' of American jobs, or the price of their tea ...if you vape and want to dictate only "American"-made, then you might as well stick your finger in your mouth and start vaping because, with precious few exceptions, nearly everything having to do with ecigarettes comes out of China.

As sad as it is to say, we have only a very few manufacturing businesses left in the US - Airplanes, cars, etc - and (you can look this up), the vast majority our gross national product comes from entertainment (movies, music, etc) and service industries (retail and fast food) now. I'll bet good money that 70% of the people reading this probably doesn't even know anyone directly who works for a company that actually makes anything - except for hamburgers and fries.

 

[devilmang]

This is a more straightforward version of what I was trying to say. I actually kind of laugh at people ranting about chinese e-cig products. The reality is it all comes from there, and if you think this or that company is an exception, you're deluding yourself.

 

[Azmo]

If you buy a knock off of a knock off, of course you chance getting a pile of crap. There is very little that is actually MADE in the USA. It is just ASSEMBLED in the USA.

I know people like to see that items come with a warranty, but warranties are crap. The company just hedges that they will have fewer that crap out in the limited time frame. And everyone pays for the ones that actually need to be replaced. So the company charges everyone more for their item just in case they have to replace a couple. Like they said in Tommy Boy, "If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will."

I would love to buy things made 100% in the USA. The problem is, they are too expensive to get quality items, and the cheap items are crap. So, I buy from China from reputable companies like Innokin and Kanger.

 

[bosun]

Apple: Designed in California, Made in China.
The Chinese can make a fine product. Question is is how much can it be sold for? If an U. S. based company wants something to be made they give a price point..say $20.00 for 1,000 pieces. The manufacturer figures a way to make the product to meet that price point and still make a profit. If the ordering company wants a better product (better raw materials, better quality, etc.) then they have to raise what they are willing to pay. A better made product might be $23.00 per 1,000 pieces. If the consumer is only interested in price not quality or dependability then cheap is what they get. Now if they want to buy something that will last long enough that they will be able to give it to their grand kids, then it is going to cost more. Competition drives the price down, both when buying a quality product and when buying a 'cheap' product.

 

[stevegmu]

It doesn't really matter what you 'think' about china-made products, their manufacturing standards, their 'theft' of American jobs, or the price of their tea ...if you vape and want to dictate only "American"-made, then you might as well stick your finger in your mouth and start vaping because, with precious few exceptions, nearly everything having to do with ecigarettes comes out of China.

As sad as it is to say, we have only a very few manufacturing businesses left in the US - Airplanes, cars, etc - and (you can look this up), the vast majority our gross national product comes from entertainment (movies, music, etc) and service industries (retail and fast food) now. I'll bet good money that 70% of the people reading this probably doesn't even know anyone directly who works for a company that actually makes anything - except for hamburgers and fries.

I work in manufacturing. We have more business than we can handle and haven't taken on new customers for some time. This is mainly due to most of our competitors closing shop in the US, moving to China and putting out an inferior product. Some of them are coming back now. The location I work at makes thermoplastic reinforced hydraulic hose for the beverage, automotive, truck, rescue and oil industries. Pepsi, Coca Cola, BP, Exxon, Shell, the US government and the like won't use Chinese-made products in our field. They are inferior. A hose or fitting failure could result in another Gulf disaster or deaths.

I have analyzed China-made products and metals and have seen the inconsistencies in materials used- even when ordered to exact specifications. You'd be shocked at the amount of lead used in plastics and metals as filler. I can tell if a fitting or coupling is made in China just by looking at them. Zapping them with a metal analyzer tells the true story.

Take a walk through shipping and it is clear Chinese companies don't even trust their own manufacturing, when row after row of pallets of product, or reels are labeled for export to China.

Personally, I don't own a single piece of clothing , shoes or boots made in China. I'd rather pay more for things that will outlive me, than less for disposable items. Anyone who owns a ProVari and China-made pvs can clearly see the difference between China's best and America's best.

 

[Shadav]

lmfao well around here the saying goes "everything is made in china"

 

[szot]

we're not talking about airplane hydraulic hoses, we're talking about simple ecig hardware or liquids...no life or death airplane situation....a lil common sense..and I'm not hurting an American by buying Chinese products cuz that's what American companies and employed peoples are selling..and if I don't buy it, then the US sales people and related company jobs would be out of work and that would be hurting the US economy and people....that "I only buy US made" is 1960's thinking....I worked for the US government (military officer) for 30 years and have been to China many times, and the US GOV buys Chinese products daily..

 

[Denrock316]

I have no problem with my vape stuff being from China. I do tend to stick with the brands that I feel are better quality though. This may be only an uneducated opinion based on luck though I have to admit that. As far as juice I've never had Chinese made. I buy juice that's mixed in USA. I have my doubts that many of the mixed components in the juice are USA made though.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Those of us who can remember back to the 1950's may recall the inexpensive and perhaps poorly made products that came from Japan. As has been mentioned in this thread, Japan was going through a rebuilding phase after World War II.

By the 1970's, Japaneese products in electronics and the automotive realms began to shine with quality. Beginning then, they began to displace U.S. manufacturers. By the 1980's, Detroit began to suffer and their products were generally considered inferior. Many elecronics manufacturers simply disappeared from the U.S. Fortunately, the U.S. automotive manufacturers have learned and now produce a better product, but much ground has been lost to imported vehicles. In electronics, the successful U.S. based companies are largely 'producers/designers' and sometimes 'assemblers' with many aspects of production done elsewhere. Superior products continue to come from Japan and as we progress, China. Many foreign-based manufacturers now do so in the U.S.

In the case of Japan, there was a learning curve of industrialization to overcome. I think much the same is true of China.

 

[Azmo]

Hell, I would love to buy a Provari, but (and not that I need it) for the price, ya think we can get VW? Maybe a real screen? Maybe include the extension cap instead of charging $20 for it. Oh wait, just another greedy US company that gives out a worthless warranty.

Wonder why if it is such a superior product, they don't give it a lifetime warranty.

 

[Caridwen]

I don't have an issue with things made in China. It is what it is.

I do most often purchase from registered suppliers when I can.

Most of the suppliers here are long time members that support vaping and CASAA. They're active in the community. They're always right there when someone needs a donation for an event to raise money for a sick member or sick kid. I don't think they're living like rock stars, just trying to keep a small business going and pay their mortgage and raise their kids. A supplier who shall remain nameless donated over 100 bottles of liquid to raise money to help out some members and wouldn't take a penny.

And, they bring in jobs.
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That's my take. Everyone is free to make a decision best for them.

 

[Caridwen]

The OP has another thread open asking the same question.

Be nice if someone reported it.

 

[The Ocelot]

While I'm not a fan of Chinese good (mostly due to QC issues) I accept that my tanks and batteries are made in china, I found that NicQuid uses nearly all American made products to create its e-liquid, so I pretty much stick with them for my juice.

I've post a much longer rawr about this, but essentially:

E-liquid is e-liquid; pg/vg and flavorings, it doesn't matter where it comes from. If you do a little research (which I did for the loner one), you'll find some interesting facts. US e-liquid retailers may mix their own recipes, but they buy their ingredients from suppliers, who buy them from wholesale companies, who buy them from brokers, who buy them from manufacturers, who get the raw materials from...uh, oh. Guess where we are? Back in Asia! Do you really think LorAnn has a farm in New Guinea where they grow their own vanilla beans?

Contamination can occur at any step along the way, from the farm to your mailbox.

 

[evan le'garde]

In 1963, Herbert Gilbert patented "a smokeless non-tobacco cigarette". In his patent Gilbert described how his device worked, by "replacing burning tobacco and paper with heated, moist, flavored air." Gilbert's device involved no nicotine, smokers of Gilbert's device enjoyed flavored steam. Attempts to commercialize Gilbert's invention failed and his product fell into obscurity. However, it deserves a mention as the earliest patent for an electronic cigarette.

 

[evan le'garde]

Hell, I would love to buy a Provari, but (and not that I need it) for the price, ya think we can get VW? Maybe a real screen? Maybe include the extension cap instead of charging $20 for it. Oh wait, just another greedy US company that gives out a worthless warranty.

Wonder why if it is such a superior product, they don't give it a lifetime warranty.

You want to talk about worthless american exports. Look no further than hollywood. It's about the only thing they do export. To the whole world i might add. Completely useless disposable junk ! . That serves no real practical purpose whatever !.

 

[Gahh]

I believe in the 80's many products were made in USA.

WAIT

That is Usa China. A small province to the northern most border.

For those that buy local , remember that it's now local after it got here FROM CHINA.

If you don't like made in china,, don't shop Target, Walmart, Radio Shack, Best Buy, Khols, Macy's ,JC Penny, PC Richards, K Mart, Dollar King, Dollar General,,,,,,,,,

Just shop in Supermarkets, and than still make Sure to look on the back of what you buy.

Oh Yea, don't order Chinese food either.

Sooooo, Do you get it.

What's important to remember here is,,,

VAPE ON

 

[Wrainn]

Here is the thing, yes most of the e-cigarette items are manufactured in China just like most of the things we buy in our everyday life. With that being said, have you ever tried retuning a faulty item to China? It's a joke, personally, I would rather buy from a US vendor that will be the go between between me and the manufacturer, plus I can't understand those people. I also firmly believe in supporting the small business.

For me, a few dollars more to support my fellow American and deal with the people in China is well worth it to me, plus I have made lifelong friends that I can actually understand!

 

[FlameFairy]

What isn't made in China? Unfortunately, they seem to be on a mission to ensnare the world with cheap, massed produced goods. The key word being CHEAP. When possible, I avoid Made in China like the plague, even if it means paying way more. For the most part, I think they have absolutely no interest in the health or safety of the consumer.

 

[potmilkz]

china stepping up their game with clones.. just look at the nemesis clone.. its an exact replica with a low voltage drop... pretty impressive for a clone.

 

[patrao_n]

Well I used to feel that way about china made stuff. Then I got a job here in the states for a company in china. We build fuses that go into your cell phones, tv and other stuff. I can say my company at least does years of design and testing before we ever go to market. It crazy because I thought they would just slap some stuff together and call it a day. So not all companies based in china have horrible work conditions and crappy products. The conditions I saw at the manufacturing plant in china are actually better than a few places I have worked.

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