When is a tank, sub ohm and why is it not?

[raylee]

What is a sub ohm tank? How do you define sub ohm tanks?
I have both the authentic Squape R & Rs, Taifun GT2, GS, Aqua 2, Se and a few others so call Rbas. I also have the Atlantis, Kanger Subohm, Delta 2, goblin and others so call sub ohm tanks with some clones.

I run my Squapes and Aquas at 0.07 to 0.12 with nickel on TC. I run my GT2, GS on khantal at 0.8 to 1.2 on my Provari. I run my Goblin, kangers at 0.5 to 1.2 on khantal. Haven't tried Ti yet.

Yet when I am seen with my setup of Squapes, Aqua or Kayfun in a vapeshop, i am ask why I have nice powerful mods and I am not going sub Ohm.

Before any one hit me why I have so many tanks and mods and I why I spend so much. Simple, I just put my stinky budget of 60 a day to a healthier hobby. (I hope)

 

[Bunnykiller]

I run .5 in my Aqua... its a tank and its subohm... I also can run .7 in my Kayfun... again, a tank and subohm...
I guess the "new" subohm tanks are designed for mainly subohm coils and not 1.5 ohms, but I dont see why one couldnt run > 1.0 ohms in a sub tank..

 

[VNeil]

I think a subohm tank *should* be defined as a tank that is capable of going subohm. I think it's silly to suggest that it has to be subohm or does not work well above an ohm (or any other particular number). At least that is true of the STMs I use.

I have a number of Kanger Subtank Minis. Some are built to 1.2-1.8 ohm for my 14W Provaris. Others are built more to 0.5 ohm for my 50W mods.

The idea of subohm = more power is an old idea going back to mech mods. Any decent VW mod will take any 2 ohm or less coil to 50 watts. I think it's more marketing hype, actually

 

[dhood]

I think the term sub-ohm has become synonymous with "clouds bro clouds". Technically, it simply means less than 1 ohm. I have mostly Kayfuns and I experiment with anything between .8 and 2.0 so I guess you could say I'm sub-ohming on my Kayfuns, sometimes.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I think the term sub-ohm has become synonymous with "clouds bro clouds". Technically, it simply means less than 1 ohm. I have mostly Kayfuns and I experiment with anything between .8 and 2.0 so I guess you could say I'm sub-ohming on my Kayfuns, sometimes.

Not necessarily. I run .52 on my mechs but not because "clouds bro clouds" but because it delivers a satisfying vape. Just because someone runs sub ohm doesn't mean they are only interested in clouds. But I can understand why people have this misconception because these forums have perpetuated that myth.

 

[Thrasher]

Not necessarily. I run .52 on my mechs but not because "clouds bro clouds" but because it delivers a satisfying vape. Just because someone runs sub ohm doesn't mean they are only interested in clouds. But I can understand why people have this misconception because these forums have perpetuated that myth.

Dont blame the forums when the chinese companies, and b&m's are the ones pushing the "sub ohm clearomizers" we have loosely been calling them tanks and rta's but lets not forget the actual box states clearomizers.

They are built for high power using low gauge sub ohm coils, hence the name.

Heavy gauge wire comes ouf as a subohm coil in most cases. The fad turned this into if I run subohm I need lots of power, and .if I want clouds I must go subohm.
When the opposite is true. With 50+ watts you really dont need to go ultra sub yet thats where the fad has gone. And of coarse if one co does it, they will all do it.

There really needs to be a distinction made between prebuilt subohm clearomizers, and regular rta tanks that can take what ever build you want to put into them.

Will subohm tanks work at lower power? Sure, but lets not forget the design and marketing is strictly geared toward high power low ohm vaping.

 

[VNeil]

...There really needs to be a distinction made between prebuilt subohm clearomizers, and regular rta tanks that can take what ever build you want to put into them...

In the case of the Kanger Subtank Mini, for example, you can build anything you want on the RBA deck, you can buy Kanger 1.2 ohm coils, or Kanger 0.5 ohm coils. So I'm not sure that distinction would be very distinct, at least in many cases.

For the most part, the true distinction, as best I understand it, is in the juice delivery to the coil. Some tanks keep up better than other tanks. So I think of them as "high power tanks", not subohm tanks. But marketing being what it is.... {sigh}

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Dont blame the forums when the chinese companies, and b&m's are the ones pushing the "sub ohm clearomizers" we have loosely been calling them tanks and rta's but lets not forget the actual box states clearomizers.

They are built for high power using low gauge sub ohm coils, hence the name.

Heavy gauge wire comes ouf as a subohm coil in most cases. The fad turned this into if I run subohm I need lots of power, and .if I want clouds I must go subohm.
When the opposite is true. With 50+ watts you really dont need to go ultra sub yet thats where the fad has gone. And of coarse if one co does it, they will all do it.

There really needs to be a distinction made between prebuilt subohm clearomizers, and regular rta tanks that can take what ever build you want to put into them.

Will subohm tanks work at lower power? Sure, but lets not forget the design and marketing is strictly geared toward high power low ohm vaping.

I wasn't blaming the forums for the trend, but the misconception that anyone who subohms is a cloud chucking tattoo'd hipster kid. There are a lot of us who subohm because on our equipment it gives us the vape we enjoy, no more and no less.

 

[VNeil]

I wasn't blaming the forums for the trend, but the misconception that anyone who subohms is a cloud chucking tattoo'd hipster kid. There are a lot of us who subohm because on our equipment it gives us the vape we enjoy, no more and no less.

^^^^^ +100 on that one

 

[Thrasher]

In the case of the Kanger Subtank Mini, for example, you can build anything you want on the RBA deck, you can buy Kanger 1.2 ohm coils, or Kanger 0.5 ohm coils. So I'm not sure that distinction would be very distinct, at least in many cases.

For the most part, the true distinction, as best I understand it, is in the juice delivery to the coil. Some tanks keep up better than other tanks. So I think of them as "high power tanks", not subohm tanks. But marketing being what it is.... {sigh}

No matter what they add on the name is still a subtank mini. The rba decks do not function the same as the pass through coil heads, and they would be stupid not to try and make more heads to attract more people.
But the prebuilt design is still a subohm clearomizer

 

[Thrasher]

I wasn't blaming the forums for the trend, but the misconception that anyone who subohms is a cloud chucking tattoo'd hipster kid. There are a lot of us who subohm because on our equipment it gives us the vape we enjoy, no more and no less.

No but more times then not the person you described does have a subtank on a boxmod.

I tried talkin to a chucking hipster about rebuilding a real rta and they scoffed at me and said why when I can buy a subohm head that does the same thing?
I just laughed and walked away

 

[coolerat]

People are a strange lot to begin with and then add all the recent advances in vaping and many people are talking about things that have zero meaning and it just gets crazy.

Todays tank is a Taifun. On the outside its fully tootle approved. But its built at .15Ω. Not really a very big cloud at all. But well below 1 ohm.

I know alot of people that use tanks with store bought coils. They just don't wanna mess around building. I mow my own lawn but pay a guy to change my oil. We all have a line somewhere.

I like low ohms cause thick wire is easy to work with. But I don't like 5000 horsepower either so I turn the power down. Simple livin' these days.

Sub ohm is just a thing. I actually watched a video the other days of one of the big names ranting against subohming while he was blowing bigger clouds then I do with his Kayfun. I was like WTF mate??

 

[dhood]

No but more times then not the person you described does have a subtank on a boxmod.

I tried talkin to a chucking hipster about rebuilding a real rta and they scoffed at me and said why when I can buy a subohm head that does the same thing?
I just laughed and walked away

He scoffs and walks away, paying $5 for each head. And for that price, we can recoil and rewick our rebuildables for a year or more while he replaces the head (probably) once a week.

My initial response wasn't trying to say that anyone who sub-ohms is a cloud chucking hipster, it was just meant to reference the fact that all of the sub-ohm clearomizers seem to target those who want large volumes of vapor. You don't have to be a hipster to want that. That just seems to have become a stereotype. Every once in a while I like to chuck a cloud or two because I can "feel" the vapor, much like I used to "feel" the smoke on the exhale. Honestly, I don't really get better flavor out of sub-ohm clouds. I feel I get better flavor out of my Kayfuns and the cloud experience isn't nearly as fulfilling taste-wise for me.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

A subohm tank is a tank with coil(s) that have below 1Ω resistance

 

[VNeil]

No matter what they add on the name is still a subtank mini. The rba decks do not function the same as the pass through coil heads, and they would be stupid not to try and make more heads to attract more people.
But the prebuilt design is still a subohm clearomizer

The latest STM RBA is pretty close. Two big holes in the chimney, just like the factory coils. It's been a while since I vaped out the factory coils I got with the tanks but as I recall they were not terribly far apart, depending on how I did the build and wicking.

 

[Thrasher]

Right, but this is only becuase the demand is there. But even the goliath (I got a v1) upgraded to prebult heads to try and gain footing in the " subohm clearomizer" market.

Just to answer the original question, regardless of what settings you can actually run an atomizer at, it is when it is targeted to a specific group/style and labeled as such.

Since (most) subohm tanks are also labeled clearomizer. I think, replacable heads are also Included in the distinction.

Much like the mutation, people are adapting and figuring out lower power builds that work well, but the overall original intent was to run it in supercharger mode, full throttle on the power.

Take away the marketing bs, toss the clearo deck, and whats left? A modified kayfun styled deck on a tank with higher airflow. Turning a subohm capable design into a more subohm specific device.

 

[stevegmu]

They should call them competition cloud tanks. That would really increase sales to a certain segment...

 

[coolerat]

I picked up a Sigelei tank out of state and can't get nickel coils locally but its such a nice tank I been using the regular coils and at 1.2Ω and 15-20 warts and its a very mild vape without the flooding and gurgling of a Nautilus tank.

The box just says "tank" and has .2, .5 and 1.2 coils. So its a TC tank, a subohm tank and a tank tank all in one.

Those huge coils running at high ohms with low airflow have the low performance many love but without the drama. I've even seem, here, afew mentions of subtanks on P-thingies. I can see where it would be a good match. I'm currently running at a level on the Sigelei that a P3 could handle and its a very pleasant vape.

 

[sparkky1]

They should call them competition cloud tanks. That would really increase sales to a certain segment...

Why would't you just be looking at RDA's at that point ?
An RTA has the ability to install any ohm coil / wick combo to your preference with way better air flow control / chimney's, kinda simple theory beyond that it becomes a marketing idea to upgradidis from a clearomizer that won't go lower than 1.2.

 

[stevegmu]

Why would't you just be looking at RDA's at that point ?
An RTA has the ability to install any ohm coil / wick combo to your preference with way better air flow control / chimney's, kinda simple theory beyond that it becomes a marketing idea to upgradidis from a clearomizer that won't go lower than 1.2.

Some just need something quick and easy to blow clouds with. Competition doubles the price...