Where can I order DIY ingredients from?

[Avid Vapor]

Hi All

I am new to vaping but experienced enough to realize I need some DIY on the side to roll the days by. I was trying to look for vendors who could ship the goods to me in Pakistan but was surprised to find that they did not. I was surprised because almost all e-liquid sellers ship em here. So I would really appreciate if anyone can point me towards a vendor who has sufficient arsenal and also ships to this side of the world. Thanks!!

PS: New to DIY so whatever words of wisdom I can get would be great.

 

[Avid Vapor]

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[Ipster]

You've come to the right place.
check out this one Vaping Supplies and Accessories by ECBlend
of many. I buy large volume DIY, like the Glycerin
(amazon works for me)...but shop around. What area your in might make a diff. for larger volume.
Since you say youre new to DIY, please go to the e-liquid Forum, talk with other peeps
There youll find help with recipes, how tos (see the library here too, and blogs)
cheers.

 

[Avid Vapor]

You've come to the right place.
check out this one Vaping Supplies and Accessories by ECBlend
of many. I buy large volume DIY, like the Glycerin
(amazon works for me)...but shop around. What area your in might make a diff. for larger volume.
Since you say youre new to DIY, please go to the E-Liquid Forum, talk with other peeps
There youll find help with recipes, how tos (see the library here too, and blogs)
cheers.

Thank you. It is much appreciated. However the site was not very straight forward imho, it was rather asking me to select from their own ejuices. I want to stock up my lab actually with the equipments, liquids and flavors. Although there is alot of something there, ill hit it again tomorrow to see if I missed something. And thanks for the advice ill definitely be doing that alot from now

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[JCinFLA]

I doubt if anyone knows which DIY ingredients sellers will ship to Pakistan, unless they're from Pakistan, too. Best thing to do would be check the Shipping Policies of each place recommended below and see if they do or not.

Here's some of the most often recommended by many on here:

For Nicotine Base -
Nude Nicotine
Wizard Labs
RTS Vapes
My Freedom Smokes
Carolina Extract
Heartland Vapes
EcigExpress

FOR PG and VG -
Bulk Apothecary
Essential Depot
Wizard Labs
Amazon
EcigExpress

For Flavorings -
Wizard Labs - Carry many brands
Bull City Flavors - Carry many brands
One Stop DIY Shop - Carry many brands and their own
EcigExpress
RTS Vapes

Flavoring Manufacturers' Own Websites -
The Perfumer's Apprentice (Same as The Flavor Apprentice)
Capella's
Flavor West
Flavour Art
Inawera
Hangsen

I'm sure other people will come along and post additional ones, too. But those will give you a start to check on International shipping.

EDIT: As far as needing laboratory equipment...IMO, save your money. You don't NEED flasks, beakers, etc. to make great DIY eliquid. For mixing using the volume method - If you have something to measure out ingredients (several syringes in 1mL, 3mL, 5mL, and 10mL are most common, with several blunt needle tips in 14ga and 16ga) and something to mix the ingredients in (the bottle you'll keep your mix in, or a cup you can easily pour ingredients from into your eliquid bottles, etc.)...that's all you need to use. If you use the weight method you'd need - a scale, maybe a small weight set to keep it calibrated, some pipettes to transfer liquids, and something to make to make your eliquid in (again...the bottle you want it in, a cup, etc.).

Obvious other things easily bought many places - a pair or 2 of latex or nitrile gloves and maybe a case or carrier to keep your bottles/vials of flavorings in. You'll also need some glass bottles to rebottle your Nic base in, to store for longterm use in your freezer. It'll come in larger containers, and needs to be rebottled into smaller bottles (many use 60mL, 120mL, or 240mL sizes) to put in your freezer. That way, only 1 small bottle at a time needs to be kept out of the freezer for mixing for several months usually (depends on how much eliquid you make & at what mg).

 

[Avid Vapor]

I doubt if anyone knows which DIY ingredients sellers will ship to Pakistan, unless they're from Pakistan, too. Best thing to do would be check the Shipping Policies of each place recommended below and see if they do or not.

Here's some of the most often recommended by many on here:

For Nicotine Base -
Nude Nicotine
Wizard Labs
RTS Vapes
My Freedom Smokes
Carolina Extract
Heartland Vapes
EcigExpress

FOR PG and VG -
Bulk Apothecary
Essential Depot
Wizard Labs
Amazon
EcigExpress

For Flavorings -
Wizard Labs - Carry many brands
Bull City Flavors - Carry many brands
One Stop DIY Shop - Carry many brands and their own
EcigExpress
RTS Vapes

Flavoring Manufacturers' Own Websites -
The Perfumer's Apprentice (Same as The Flavor Apprentice)
Capella's
Flavor West
Flavour Art
Inawera
Hangsen

I'm sure other people will come along and post additional ones, too. But those will give you a start to check on International shipping.

Thank you for posting this mate. Although I was going through something similar when I realized they dont ship to pakistan, this has made my hunt somewhat easy. Wish me luck!!

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[JCinFLA]

@Avid Vapor - You're welcome, but I'm not a mate (don't know what the female version would be, but that's me).

Did you also read my EDIT, so you can save some money?

 

[Avid Vapor]

@Avid Vapor - You're welcome, but I'm not a mate (don't know what the female version would be, but that's me).

Did you also read my EDIT, so you can save some money?

Sorry it was late yesterday but I just read your edit. Thanks for sparing the time, this is some really sound advice! As for the mate issue I'm not sure but an interpolation would be fe'mate imho [emoji14]

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[JCinFLA]

Thought I better add that the bottles you rebottle the Nic Base into, either need to be colored ones (amber, cobalt blue, green, etc.) to keep light out of the Nic base in them, or they could be clear...if you wrap them maybe in tinfoil or something to keep light out, and then they go into the freezer. I put my bottles in a few boxes as well, to help protect against breakage in the freezer. Oxygen, light, and heat are nicotine base's worst enemies. It'll stay fresher longer without being exposed to those 3 things.

 

[Avid Vapor]

@JCinFLA Thanks, really appreciate the help, however im confused. Actually I just discovered that wizardlabs do ship all the goods to my side of the world and im planning to pick a 125ml 100mg Nic from them. The confusion is how I will take it in smaller containers. I mean I can take a small 15ml quantity out in another bottle but wont that leave more air over time in the original container??

Also im planning to pick clone recipes of a few good vapes to start with, however those recipes involve 5+ flavors. Do you suggest that is a good starting point or that I should only make single or double flavors to start with??

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[Maestro]

125ml isn't much. I don't see any point in splitting it. You should consider a larger size, if possible.
I don't think it much matters going single flavor or multiple flavors if you have recipes for them. Just remember to make very small batches at first. What looks good may not taste good to you.

 

[Avid Vapor]

125ml isn't much. I don't see any point in splitting it. You should consider a larger size, if possible.
I don't think it much matters going single flavor or multiple flavors if you have recipes for them. Just remember to make very small batches at first. What looks good may not taste good to you.

Ai! What do you recommend? Bottles im getting 15 & 120 ml for testers and batches. I was of the mind that 125ml at 100mg would be quite potent to start with but im open to suggestions

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[JCinFLA]

Actually I just discovered that wizardlabs do ship all the goods to my side of the world and im planning to pick a 125ml 100mg Nic from them. The confusion is how I will take it in smaller containers. I mean I can take a small 15ml quantity out in another bottle but wont that leave more air over time in the original container??

I'm glad WL ships to Pakistan! They're a great company, and the owner makes sure that customers are happy.

I can see why you're confused about rebottling the Nic Base into smaller bottles, and then freezing all except 1...to keep out for short-term use. I didn't know you'd be buying a 120 or 125mL bottle of Nic Base. Most in the US who DIY...buy their Nic Base by the litre (1000mL bottle). They then rebottle it into smaller bottles (and freeze them) so they aren't constantly opening the large bottle each time they want to make a few eliquids. That would let air into the whole big bottle each time...which is NOT good.

Depending upon how much eliquid you plan to make maybe every few months, and how many mL of your Nic base it will take to make that amount...I'd rebottle your 120 or 125mL into (4) 30mL (2oz.) bottles. Fill them nearly to the top (maybe 1/4" headspace in each), and freeze 3 of them. Leave 1 out for use during the next few months. When that one's empty, take another one from the freezer.

By the way...what Nic mg to you vape in your eliquids? About how many mL of eliquid do you use a week? That will help to know those 2 things, to figure out how much you'd need to leave out for a few months.

Also im planning to pick clone recipes of a few good vapes to start with, however those recipes involve 5+ flavors. Do you suggest that is a good starting point or that I should only make single or double flavors to start with??

When I first started to DIY, I found some recipes I wanted to make, and they each required no more than 4 flavorings. I made them to sort of get my DIY feet wet first. Honestly, unless you're using flavorings that are already "blended" flavorings when you buy them, there aren't many recipes that only have 1or 2 flavorings in them. I can tell you, that IMO...it's not really any harder to make a recipe that uses 3-4-5 flavorings than it is to make a recipe with 1-2-3 flavorings. As long as you're using a good eliquid calculator, and inputting the info into it carefully...it'll tell you exactly how much of each ingredient to use when you make the recipe. Measuring fewer ingredients is no different/harder than measuring more IMO!

 

[Maestro]

I guess it would depend on the cost of shipping and how fast you're going to go through it. If you multiply the nic of your juice and the amount you vape each day, that will tell you how much nic you need each day. So if you vape 10ml/day at 6mg of nic, that's 60 mg of nic a day. With your 125ml at 100mg you have 12,500 of nic. Divide that by 60 and you have enough for 200 days, theoretically. Since you may not like a lot of what you make, and you'll have a bunch of part full bottles, you're out of nic in 3 or 4 months.

 

[JCinFLA]

I was of the mind that 125ml at 100mg would be quite potent to start with but im open to suggestions

Any 100mg/mL Nic base is quite potent, no matter what size you buy it in. The quantity of it you might want to buy...all depends on how much eliquid you go through, and what mg that eliquid is.

For example, I make all my eliquids at 6mg Nic when finished. I make a 50mL bottle of any of my recipes with 3mL of my 100mg/mL nic Base + PG, VG, and flavorings. Because I vape about 6-7mL per day...that 50mL bottle will last me a week. So...if I bought 120mL of Nic Base, I could make (40) 50mL bottles of eliquid. They would last me about 40 weeks = 9 1/2 - 10 months.

However, if my eliquids finished Nic was maybe twice that, or 12mg...that same 120mL Nic Base could only make (20) 50mL bottles, or about 4 1/2 - 5 months' worth. That's a big difference in how long it would last.

 

[Avid Vapor]

@JCinFLA Great to know about WL. I think they recently started their international shipping bc it was pinned at top of their website (lucky me [emoji14] )

As for nicotine this would be my first diy experiment so was thinking 125ml 100 mg nic & 500 ml pg & vg. Not really sure about the ideal quantity but I was thinking to figure out after my hands were a bit dirtier

My ideal vaping intake is 6-8 ml a day on 3mg nic. Please let me know if you think I should change my order quantities.

Ps I have the same order confusion when it comes to flavors. Im thinking to pick 3-5 recipes and have enough flavor to cover 240 ml ideally (unless budget constrains lol)

And I agree about the diy with single or multi flavors but I read somewhere that to build the skill it might help to make single flavors and see how each turns on its own blah blah so it made me feel like im taking a shortcut instead of gaining skill. But looking at how complex the recipes can get I dont think I have the patience for make single flavors and see which would fit best with what lol.


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[Maestro]

As previously stated, the number of flavors is irrelevant as long as someone else has already worked out the recipe. Use a scale...tare it off.......drip, drip.....tare if off.......drip, drip, etc

If you're making your own concoctions, you definitely want to keep it simple with one or two flavors until you get the hang of what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter. Multiple flavors is no more complicated than a single flavor. Just make sure you're using a juice calculator.

 

[Avid Vapor]

@JCinFLA & @Maestro I know I have said this already but wow you guys really make time to make a newbie understand the dynamics. I really appreciate it guys!! So I'm thinking 500ml of pg/vg and 125ml nic should be good enough for a few diy experiments right??

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[Maestro]

Absolutely!! Just think ahead. When you feel comfortable, order as much as you think you're going to need. If you're having a tough time finding a vendor that ships to you now, it's only going to get worse. Once you've laid in a good supply, you can sit back and not worry about it.

 

[JCinFLA]

Yea about WL shipping! Seems you just timed it right...with starting to DIY then!

As for nicotine this would be my first diy experiment so was thinking 125ml 100 mg nic & 500 ml pg & vg. Not really sure about the ideal quantity but I was thinking to figure out after my hands were a bit dirtier

My ideal vaping intake is 6-8 ml a day on 3mg nic. Please let me know if you think I should change my order quantities.

Well, I'll tell you...when I first started DIY, I actually did the same thing you want to do. I bought only 120mL of Nic Base + 120mL of PG, and about (20) 8mL size flavorings from Wizard Labs. I got my PG at a local Walmart in a 178mL bottle. Since Wizard Labs is located only about 45 miles from me here in Florida...I knew I'd get it quickly, and I was anxious to get started. I wanted to see if I even LIKED making my own eliquids before buying Nic Base, PG, and VG in larger quantities. Once I found out I definitely loved DIY, then I ordered my first Litre of nic Base, and PG & VG by the gallons!

Now, about how much you could make with 120mL of your 100mg/mL Nic Base. To make a 50mL bottle of eliquid, with a finished Nic of 3mg...you'd use only 1.5mL of your 100mg/mL nic Base (along with PG, VG, and flavorings) to make each 50mL bottle of finished eliquid. If you vape 6-8mL/day, each 50mL bottle would last you about 6 days. You can make (80) 50mL bottles of eliquid at 3mg finished Nic...with your 120mL bottle of Nic Base! That's about 480 days worth of eliquids!!

I think your 120mL of Nic Base is a good starting point! However, with only 500mL of PG and 500mL of VG...you're going to run out of those long before you run out of Nic Base, and won't be able to make those (80) 50mL bottles.

I'm posting this much of my response now, and then working on responding to your last 2 paragraphs above. Will be a few minutes!