Where is the Apple of vaping?

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speedy_r6

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vaping is hard. Not the actual vaping. But the care-and-feeding of the equipment. That's hard. Way harder than it should be. It should be easy.

1. Charge the battery. No more than once per day.

This comes down to a form factor and usage issue. If you use it nonstop, you are going to either need a massive battery, or you will need to change/charge the battery more often. If you don't want to use a larger mod that can hold multiple batteries in it, you are going to be limiting the capacity, thereby limiting the amount of time you can use it. If I chain vape my Sig 150 at the pond at 30w, I can go through about 2 sets of batteries over the course of the entire day. The only things that can be done about it are find a way to pet better storage capacity out of batteries, tone down the power or usage, or make a bigger mod that can hold more batteries in it. I would love to never have to swap out batteries, but the current tech just isn't there for the form factor based on my usage. I am sure they could make a rather gigantic mod with a built in lipo battery that could last even the heaviest vapers all day, but it would be large and unweildy.

2. Keep the liquid topped up. I'm fine with the use of the eyedropper, but so many vape systems have that put-it-here-but-be-super-careful-not-to-put-it-DAMIT filling experiences. Why? Humans have visited other worlds and I have a supercomputer in my pocket. Surely we can figure out something better than this.

A lot of the newer tanks are VERY easy to fill up. My subtank mini is almost a joke. I mean, you turn it upside down, unscrew the base from the tank, and then fill it up as much as you want, so long as you aren't filling it past the metal chimney in the center, and then you screw the base back on. About the only thing I have seen that is easier than that is a squonker that you just squeeze the bottle to put more juice in the well, or a uwell crown tank that lets you fill from the top. If not that, use a plain old RDA. It takes a little time to get set up right, but my current RDA has had the coils in there for over two months and they still work just fine. Drip juice in through the top and don't fill it past the air holes. Pretty simple.

I honestly feel that the subtank mini I use meets this requirement.

3. Replace your heating coil/wick assembly no more than once a week. Sure, okay. I'd be ok with disposable cartomizers as long as they weren't $20.

I can go about 10 days on my subtank mini coils. I vape anywhere from 15-20ml a day. I feel that it meets this requirement. Even if I have to replace a coil earlier than that, it is a 3 dollar coil that takes maybe all of a whole minute to change out.

With kanger made subtank coils, I run them at 22 watts and get a nice vape. When I rebuild the heads with 24g wire, I go up to 30 watts and get a great vape. The only modification I make to new coils is I make sure I run a needle through the wick and basically twist it until I have a hole that I can see going through to the other side. This helps it wick a little better. At 22 watts on the factory coils, I don't need to do this, but I do it just to be sure I won't get a dry hit when I chain vape. When I say chain vaping, I mean taking 5 to 10 draws in a one minute period.

4. Wash out your tank, wick and heating element when changing flavors. I always feel like I'm doing surgery when I attempt it. I'm either going to lose a bit down the drain or I'm going to damage it so badly that it won't work right and I'll need a new one.

I don't really wash my coils. I wash the tanks every now and then, but I just take the base off, take the coil head out, and then wash the tank out with hot water. The only o-ring I have to worry about is the one in the base, and I just hold my thumb over it when I wash it. At the end of the day, if you are running water through the cotton, you risk changing the way the cotton fibers are aligned in there. This can cause dry hits. If you want to avoid the cotton fibers getting misaligned, you can use silica wicks. They won't deliver the flavor cotton will or wick as well, but they are almost impossible to burn and you won't have to worry about the fibers getting out of alignment.

Personally, I feel the cotton does fine. I don't worry about washing it. If I want a new flavor, I just let it go through the same cotton that had the previous flavor in it. It will probably have a funky taste for the first 5 or 10 draws, but then it will taste like it should(with the exception of some flavors that just linger around like a nagging mother in law.

There are four vape systems in my house. Not one of them is as easy to care for as it should be. As former product manager at a technology company, I'd be pushing hard for some serious usability studies and design changes.

As things are right now, i honestly feel that things are pretty darn usable as they stand. Sure, some of them may have issues from time to time, but even our cars that can cost upwards of $50,000 dollars and should last at least a decade have problems, too. It is a simple fact of manufacturing. Sometimes, you just get a lemon. Sometimes, you get the perfect thing that doesn't run into any problems. I feel fortunate that both of my subtank minis have been trouble free since the day I got them, and the Sig 150 has been the same way. I can't complain at all about them, even though I know some other users have had issues with gurgling or leaking. The majority of them work as intended, and that is what any company that mass produces items strives for.

My kids showed me one that they both had which had magnetized, drop-in tanks which I thought was clever. I want to see more of those ideas.

I agree, this is a clever idea, but I see it as more of a novelty. It isn't really that hard to screw something into something else.

Someone is going to see that the vaping experience is broken and, like Apple often does, they're going to fix it and revolutionize the industry.

There are already companies that do the apple thing. They build the same thing as someone else, call it something fancy, and charge anywhere form 1.5 to 4 times the normal price. Gpen hookah device comes to mind. It is a basic ego style starter kit that kanger sells for around 35 bucks shipped. They brand it as a fancy "hookah vape device" and sell it for 60 bucks shipped. But, for that extra 25 bucks, they will throw in 3 juice bottles, an extra tank, and 2 less coils. They may also change the threading on the tank/battery so you have to use proprietary items, which would fall right in with the hardware ID lists, proprietary charging cables, and all those other things that apple products use.

If that is the "future of vaping", I want nothing to do with it. I will stick with the "other" way that works better for me.
 
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Yes, that's it. Vaping is the Linux of smoking. One day it'll be come Mac OS X.
I hope not. OS X has less than 15% market share. If you want vaping to prevail over smoking, it needs to be more like Windows, which it actually is. You can buy vape stuff in all sorts of shapes, sizes, complexities, and power levels, just like computers that run Windows. :D
 

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Apple: closed, limited options, pay absurd money for a Unix box with a nice GUI. Njoy/blu/four draw

Windows: ego, evod, anything with replacement coils in a carto. Some rdas are here, not too hard, pretty wide use and adoption.

Linux/bsd/Solaris: Purpose built, more involved and technical, higher avds. If it has a weird top tank that drips down, or multiple sleeves and 16 airholes, temp control, etc.

This sounds anti-apple, but really, the simple devices out there are basically junk, get an avds and take it to the shop to rebuild, basically the same as the genius bar, at least, in my eyes. I am a Linux nut, so I'm biased but...
 

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One day, you'll be able to get a primo vaping experience and have the luxury of knowing almost nothing about how it works.

I don't know that I would call that a luxury... I would liken that to someone finding an amazing alien technology and not being able to fix/repair it if it stopped working. People need to know how things work or we will never be able to move beyond what's "given" to us by a "higher intelligence".

We get it, you're an Apple fan. Keep rocking your style and create the next great vape experience. I'm sure people will use it and I'm equally sure people will ridicule it. At the end of the day (a lot of work gets done at the end of the day it seems...), it's all good brother! Vape on! :vapor:
 
Try Ego One + Eleaf iJust2 battery. Its the best combination of an esmoking which i had after more than two years of vaping experience .
Ego OneEleaf iJust2 battery brings you a whole day of vaping and it is very durable. Ego One atomizer has a very strong sub-ohm atomizer head which i need to change them just once in a 3 to 4 weeks.


Greetings Kuros
 

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Try Ego One + Eleaf iJust2 battery. Its the best combination of an esmoking which i had after more than two years of vaping experience .
Ego OneEleaf iJust2 battery brings you a whole day of vaping and it is very durable. Ego One atomizer has a very strong sub-ohm atomizer head which i need to change them just once in a 3 to 4 weeks.


Greetings Kuros

Sounds pretty close to "plug and play" to me.

Why do you like the iJust2 battery more than the Ego One battery?

(both of these really just remind me of updated version of original Joyetech Evic, but with smaller diameter, more mAH, and charging method?)
 

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OK, let's get back to the original question.
Where is the Apple of vaping?
Then let's look at the progression of computing, leaving aside which computer/OS is better.

The first electronic computers showed up in the 1930s, were room sized and took technicians hours to set up so they could run one sequence to get one result.

By the 70s, business computers were the size of large refrigerators, required IT people to set up and basically did one thing, databases. Of course, the government had there own uses for them.

Then in the late 70s the 2 Steves and Bill Gates came along and saw a market for personal computers. Something very few people needed or wanted at the time.

People bought these primitive machines either out of curiosity or because they thought they might be useful for work or play.

These didn't come along until much later.

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So, it took 40+ years for computers to reach the general public and another ~35+ years to get where they are today.

Was anyone in the 60s able to predict the direction computing would take in the next decades?

You are asking for a prediction of things to come. Quite simply, no one knows.

Maybe a person or persons will come along and invent an ultrasonic vaporizer that uses concentrated nicotine pill that is dropped into a chamber and a cold fusion reactor that uses tap water as fuel. Of course, this all needs to fit in the palm of the users hand and be priced so that a regular person can afford it.

Right now, vaping is limited by several factors, batteries, consumables i.e. liquids, coils etc.,size and cost.

Batteries are the most critical component and we all know the limitations of current batteries.

Personal nicotine delivery systems were invented in the 60s by a guy in China. Hardly anyone wanted them because they weren't very practical and the dangers of smoking weren't widely known then.

There are incremental improvements being made. It's an evolutionary process.

Will someone come along and make a leap that will be a revolutionary change in the vaping industry? Who knows?
 
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