Where our Nic comes from... BT??
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We'll run with Big Tobacco then.
1) They have an established product that they have developed. The last thing they was is something to complete against it, for now. This is true for any business.
2) Their name is blacklisted by the public. Any tobacco company could invent and open a fountain of youth that works, and its still going to be overshadowed by the negative image of their name.
3) Tobacco prices are to expensive over here to make e-juice from it. Regulation, quota ect. You need cheap tobacco from China and a lot of it, to make e-juice. I doubt BT has a very large interest in tobacco farms in China. I believe their interest was in processing and marketing the product.
4) I guarantee they are already on top of it, and will release their own product line on their terms, when they feel the time is right for them, and they have positioned themselves to capture the market. They hold all the cards, they have the money to squash every retailer out there, having their product in every gas station and store within days
1) They have an established product that they have developed. The last thing they was is something to complete against it, for now. This is true for any business.
2) Their name is blacklisted by the public. Any tobacco company could invent and open a fountain of youth that works, and its still going to be overshadowed by the negative image of their name.
3) Tobacco prices are to expensive over here to make e-juice from it. Regulation, quota ect. You need cheap tobacco from China and a lot of it, to make e-juice. I doubt BT has a very large interest in tobacco farms in China. I believe their interest was in processing and marketing the product.
4) I guarantee they are already on top of it, and will release their own product line on their terms, when they feel the time is right for them, and they have positioned themselves to capture the market. They hold all the cards, they have the money to squash every retailer out there, having their product in every gas station and store within days
I completely agree. Especially with your 4th point. I'm sure they've got a nice chunk of change devoted to e-cig R&D and when they do release something it will work perfect 95% of the time and be the closest thing to a real cigarette out there.
I might not be the best source of info here, but Nicotine in the patches is synthetically made in Sweden, North America (or something, that is the detail I am fizz on) and generally unavailable to vapers and e-cig retailers around the world.
Some nic is rendered from organic tobacco, while others I am not sure at all. I don't think it is BT controlling the market per se but they are flexing their muscles big time now, with an aim to control it.
Really the thing that makes us all lucky is that Big Tobacco no longer gets our MONEY. Dollars are votes in my mind, and I don't think any of us would willingly vote for Big Tobacco to re-enter our lives and start getting their money again. This might not be true for all of us or any prospective vapers out there but I think most of us feel similarly about that.
If I saw BT start distributing their own e-cig products I would never buy anything from them. I'd just keep on ordering from the fine folks I already know that have no interest in a market of death.
Alternatively, instead of shipping tobacco from China, we could legally grow organic tobacco as Canadians. This does limit the production incredibly though and would cause a definite shortage in our market. Sadly it is not feasible due to BT's laws that their lobbyists pushed all those years ago now.
I don't know how many Canadians believe that it is illegal to grow tobacco... Most that I have met anyway.
Some nic is rendered from organic tobacco, while others I am not sure at all. I don't think it is BT controlling the market per se but they are flexing their muscles big time now, with an aim to control it.
Really the thing that makes us all lucky is that Big Tobacco no longer gets our MONEY. Dollars are votes in my mind, and I don't think any of us would willingly vote for Big Tobacco to re-enter our lives and start getting their money again. This might not be true for all of us or any prospective vapers out there but I think most of us feel similarly about that.
If I saw BT start distributing their own e-cig products I would never buy anything from them. I'd just keep on ordering from the fine folks I already know that have no interest in a market of death.
Alternatively, instead of shipping tobacco from China, we could legally grow organic tobacco as Canadians. This does limit the production incredibly though and would cause a definite shortage in our market. Sadly it is not feasible due to BT's laws that their lobbyists pushed all those years ago now.
I don't know how many Canadians believe that it is illegal to grow tobacco... Most that I have met anyway.
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BT would probably start adding all sorts of dirty crap to the ejuice... and would refuse to disclose the ingredients list... sound familiar? 
i didn't know that the average person could... i do know that as a native canadian (metis through MicMac grandfather) that i am permitted to grow as much tobacco as i can personally consume (there is a number of plants etc.. but its pretty big) if i can show that i'm only making enough tobacco to support my nic addiction, then that would be fine, but i still haven't a clue how to extract my nic from tobacco other than using chemicals in a laboratory.
Nicotine is naturally occurring in tobacco. They have increased the amount of nicotine in cigarettes by selecting strains of tobacco higher in nicotine and by plant breeding.
I think, and this is just my opinion, bt was late on coming up with the idea of the e-cig and now is more or less flexing their political muscle to stop the manufacturing of them. Not just that big pharma wants to continue selling the patch, gum, lozenges because they are made to fail. Thought some people do quit on those products, most dont. The e-cig would have a much much hire success rate thus eliminating the need for alot of pharmaceutical products.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think if people quit smoking with the e-cig, less people would have cancer, emphasyma, colds, flu, skin irritations taking away billions and billion of dollars from big pharma. Stockholders would have a melt down, so big pharma and big tobacco work together to continue the sale and distribution of cigarettes and tobacco products that destroy your health.
The $3 billion nicotine replacement industry has become a cash cow for pharmaceutical companies. All of those patches and gum sales are easy profits and they’re mostly backed by Big Pharma. Nicoderm is owned by ALZA, wholly owned subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson (JNJ). Nicorette and the prescription drugs Wellbutrin and Zyban are marketed by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). And one of the latest entrants, Chantix, is marketed by Pfizer (PFE).
My argument would be, well the sales of e-cigs, and accessories would be threw the roof, but then again BP and BT have no stake it that and most likely wouldn't manufacture the units although they should. This leaves the sale of Nicotine. BT would lose billions of dollars if they lose the sales of over priced, over taxed tobacco and tobacco products, not to mention the loss of sale on the patch, gum, and lozenges. no amount of sales on liquid nicotine would come close to the cash cow they have now. BP would lose billions on the made to fail nicotine replacement products on the shelf now. They would have to sell the liquid at a price that would make us puke, plus the tax and regulation needed would make it not worth it to BP and BT. I could go on and on why BT and BP would never want the e-cig but we all know its 3 things, profit, taxes, and regulations.
I think, and this is just my opinion, bt was late on coming up with the idea of the e-cig and now is more or less flexing their political muscle to stop the manufacturing of them. Not just that big pharma wants to continue selling the patch, gum, lozenges because they are made to fail. Thought some people do quit on those products, most dont. The e-cig would have a much much hire success rate thus eliminating the need for alot of pharmaceutical products.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think if people quit smoking with the e-cig, less people would have cancer, emphasyma, colds, flu, skin irritations taking away billions and billion of dollars from big pharma. Stockholders would have a melt down, so big pharma and big tobacco work together to continue the sale and distribution of cigarettes and tobacco products that destroy your health.
The $3 billion nicotine replacement industry has become a cash cow for pharmaceutical companies. All of those patches and gum sales are easy profits and they’re mostly backed by Big Pharma. Nicoderm is owned by ALZA, wholly owned subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson (JNJ). Nicorette and the prescription drugs Wellbutrin and Zyban are marketed by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). And one of the latest entrants, Chantix, is marketed by Pfizer (PFE).
My argument would be, well the sales of e-cigs, and accessories would be threw the roof, but then again BP and BT have no stake it that and most likely wouldn't manufacture the units although they should. This leaves the sale of Nicotine. BT would lose billions of dollars if they lose the sales of over priced, over taxed tobacco and tobacco products, not to mention the loss of sale on the patch, gum, and lozenges. no amount of sales on liquid nicotine would come close to the cash cow they have now. BP would lose billions on the made to fail nicotine replacement products on the shelf now. They would have to sell the liquid at a price that would make us puke, plus the tax and regulation needed would make it not worth it to BP and BT. I could go on and on why BT and BP would never want the e-cig but we all know its 3 things, profit, taxes, and regulations.
Ah yes, that is true. I am part Algonquin and Metis native and simply don't have my status card, so I can only grow a small amount for personal use. Not 100% sure on the amount but any Canadian citizen has the right to grow their own tobacco to a point, where if one has native status one can't really be limited at all.
I so wish I had mine hahaIt’s made in India, then shipped to Switzerland for "processing" (i.e. markup, more people getting their hands on it to make a buck) then to the pharmaceutical industry.
My understanding is that tobacco is to expensive over here to process into nicotine economically.
My apology to NoizMaker for saying the same thing.. I guess it helps if I read page 2 of a the thread before I answer a question LOL
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Haha it's ok, you actually helped me out. Hopefully I will remember this time that it is Manu'd in India
I knew I was forgetting something.
IIRC you cannot synthesized nicotine. Short strokes = there is a right and a left element, where you can have one or the other but not both. There was a convo some time back by a couple of chemist in the DIY sub.
Soooo when's Apple going to make an ecig?
Apple would make the iCig, and it would work great, be priced completely out of range of any new vaper, and not be compatible with anything else on the market.
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