WHOA!!! Wizards tiny flavoring bottles won't last very long! But probably best place to get your nic.
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WHOA!!! Wizards tiny flavoring bottles won't last very long! But probably best place to get your nic.
Several people, like the poster above complained that the 'small bottles of flavoring' (offered certain websites) would not last long.
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) FYI: 15 ml of those concentrated flavorings will flavor 150 to 300 ml of ejuice. And that is assuming you only use one flavor in it. If you are making a strawberry-watermelon combo, you would be making 300-600 ml of ejuice with the two 15 ml bottles.
Seems like a frightening number of posters in this thread are not making a distinction between buying flavored ready-to-use nicotine liquid... and the materials (PG/VG liquid) and concentrates (flavorings and nicotine liquid) to MIX to make ejuice to use.
If you vaped flavoring that is supposed to be diluted by a factor of 10-to-20 to 1 by itself you would gag and probably throw up. It might make you ill. Likely to, actually.
Or if you vaped 100mg/ml nicotine liquid without realizing how strong it was, you would risk dying within minutes or even seconds, as you would get WAY too much, too fast. Like many things, nicotine is only safe in small amounts.
If you don't know anything about basic chemistry, lab procedures, algebra, and math beyond balancing your checkbook: you need to let other people deal with the dangers of mixing e-liquid. What you don't know can harm you. If you are determined to DIY ejuice, do your homework FIRST. Please?
If anyone is roughly interested in the cost savings with DIY I ran a rough estimate of costs for 10 ML of 12 mg 50/50 juice using TFA flavors. ALl materials prices based on MyFreedomSmokes.com
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...173-diy-juice-get-test-kit-2.html#post9768826
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...173-diy-juice-get-test-kit-2.html#post9768826
Took me out of context.
The user I quoted stated he vaped 30ml a day!!! At that rate, a single flavor vial of 8ml from wizard labs mixed at 10% wouldn't even last 3 days. I've done my homework, thank you.
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Hi BostLabs,
You can do that, I did.
Got 2 in 120mls.
Paid $13 each, plus $11.40 shipping and they Did NOT come in glass.
What I will always do from here on out. RTSVAPES, comes in glass and most are $12.75
And don't forget to try the Made in the USA nic
And there will probably be a July 4th sale or use FIRSTORDER for 20% off
These are only 10ml bottles but the % recommended is 1-3%, so should last for alot of juice.
VZ-SC Gourmet Flavoring - E Cig : Best Ejuice | Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes
VZ-SC Gourmet Flavoring - E Cig : Best Ejuice | Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes
I get most my flavorings from EcigExpress | Electronic Cigarettes, e-Liquid and DIY Flavorings as they carry flavors from numerous manufacturers, sometimes cheaper than you can get the same amount from the source. I like one stop shopping whenever possible.
I am not sure exactly what you mean about the flavor's being keepers - do you mean the ones you received and tested taste/smell bad or the ones you mixed up from them were not what you expected?
First, 'flavorings' can be hard to work with in the sense that what they taste like in undiluted form (yet added to anything) can be horrible. So for the most part what you taste in the bottle of flavor extract can be far from what it ends up being when properly diluted and part of a 'recipe thankfully given what it tasted like before that)'. This is very much why professional food people will often cook/bake with flavoring direct from the source instead of using a flavoring extract (as well as to avoid all the stuff they don't want in their foods that comes along with the flavoring). It may look like extra steps or a chef being too fancy when goes to the pricy vanilla bean for his flavor rather than measuring it out of a bottle, or using the fresh juice/peel from citrus fruit and so on.
Second, flavorings also change flavor when mixed with other flavors and other products, especially other flavors, their flavors can change -weaken, strengthen and turn depending on shelf life and preservatives used. This is why bakers, chefs, etc tend to use flavorings all from the same source if not creating their own fresh extracts. Things with a shorter shelf life so they cannot be stored in bulk, and therefore cheaper, amounts do cost more. I would worry that the flavoring - since so very little is used, as a bulk purchase like you seem to be thinking wuld end up costing you the same as the flaring would just go bad before you used it all.
Unless a flavor is out of date - if its the base flavor itself you should hold on ti it even if you find it tastes really bad in its own bottle. Like I said some flavorings until diluted or mixed with other things or you add sweeteners or acids (like citric acid) just taste gastly. But sweeten them up or dilute them in a bit of sour or mix them with a few other flavors and they can be great. You could find that that first flavoring you bought and that was terrible, mixed well with something you get later on that might not be what you expected.
You have to take a look at what type of flavorings you are buying and what is in them and understand what the ingredients means. For example, there is a wide range of difference between organic, natural (not the same as natural) and artificial flavors and depending n the type of flavoring you use they can be constituted in or produced by using solvents that you don't want to inhale. Some flavorings contain food colors, some in small enough amounts they don't even have to be listed on a label let alone what things go into making those colorings and whether they are natural colorings (say from fruits) or artificial. While the food colorings are diluted in the flavoring and then diluted when it is the amount is small enough not to do damage when ingested but the respiratory system is much different and things can get into your body through inhalation that cannot get near it via digestion. Even taken by mouth some food colorings have been found, in the past to be cancer risks and many are still being monitored by the FDA - and while considered safe in food they are not approved to be used for inhalation, not not approved but not approved either. Vaping e-juice is a new things and so not everything is known about the effects of some of the things in there although what is there is safe for human consumption and people have swallowed, chewed, rubbed into their skin and they have not caused general problems or found to be unsafe by those methods - less is known about flavorings - even those approved for medications by the FDA for oral consumption.
Besides the things we don't know about in flavorings except to know they are there are the things we know about and should question. Alcohol for example. Some have a relatively large amount - for example vanilla extract hsa enough that some people with severe alcohol problems and low on cash have been known to drink it straight. Not a good thing and it can make them pretty sick.
Yes, it is often mentioned that vodka be offered as a rinse for steps in cleaning but many people have gotten away from that. Its not that drinking alcohol cannot be inhaled (some medical procedures used to do this) and its not dangerous to use it as a method to speed up drying of wicks and atomizers (although not really necessary its just a personal choice) since by the time the atomizer and wicks have dried the alcohol content has mainly evaporated off and what little might be there still is gone with a dry burn. However having it as part of the e-juice which keeps refreshing n the wick begs the question of how much is inhaled - its 'evaporated' off the coil and becomes part of the vapor.
There are also some flavorings that contain perfume components, such as lavender, vanilla and others - since part of tasting a flavor needs 'smell' component to register on the brain as that certain flavor. Some flavors have to be produced using various solvents - sme are chemical solvents - to extract the flavor and while some of these make it into the flavorings they won't hurt (that we know of) if swallowed but no one has had a chance to study inhalations. You also have to remember that USDA or FDA food grade is much different is production guidelines from USP approvals.
Flavorings can also contain food grade preservatives, especially ones with long shelf lives and even a few I have bought that were certified organic contained a preservative. A preservative that will not harm the body when eaten may have an effect on lung tissue, a lot of this is unknown so you might not want to risk it. And because you don't neither to vendors and so you see larger prices for flavoring
So you have to be very astute about what you use when it comes to flavoring your e-juice. Unfortunately, the better organic flavorings without additives or colorings or whatever are more expensive. Thats not to say that you can't get ones as good on the cheap or that just paying a large dollar amount means they are perfect - you have to learn to research them so you know.
I have done a lot of DIY but not in an attempt to save cost. For the most part the may 'standard flavors' I can buy custom made as cheaply as I can make them unless I make them in such large qualities that they are aging on my shelf much longer than just buying them as needed, letting them steep a couple of weeks and then using the 'fresh'. I got into DIY for the 'fun' of it, the hobby of it and to see what recipes I could come up with that I liked or if I could improve on some I thought would be good with a bit more of this or a bit more of that.
I did find that I ended up buying my basic flavorings form all over the place and from various vendors depending on the flavor itself. I found some flavorings that met criteria I wanted to stick with such as not having certain additives being carried at one vendor right next to other flavors that did - so those I had to shop for elsewhere. I really like lavender, for instance, but had to spend a great deal of time finding one that had a food based 'perfume' over a cosmetic grade one. I only buy that one flavoring from that store as the others they carry contain a great deal of preservatives.
I found that flavoring was the major expenditure for me. I know some people that just have a couple of favorites and make large batches at a time can really hold their costs down, I have seen their numbers and can see its a few pennies a ml. I know that you can save some cost by making up large amounts of unflavored with a dilution that will allow the addition of flavoring without diluting too much when the flavor is finally added at a later time. I was able to get very large quantities of PG/VG at very low prices going locally for PG (hardware store) and VG (pharmacy) although there was very little difference in price for the nic base. But the cost did add up with the flavorings and as they did have nearly the shelf life that the other ingredients had and so I did end up tossing flavorings simply because they were 'out of date' long before they were used up.
There are great links to lots of vendors that people have given you, and if you have just a couple of flavors you use over and over to make your e-juice to your taste then one will have all the ones you want. If not take the time to check out all the vendors and locate the best option and flavor you want from several or many vendors til you have the basic ones to work with. You will also find that the vendors themselves can be very helpful if you work with them on the phone or email. Many flavoring labels come with sparse lists of ingredients and give no clue how they are processed while the vendor will have that information from the maker.
First, 'flavorings' can be hard to work with in the sense that what they taste like in undiluted form (yet added to anything) can be horrible. So for the most part what you taste in the bottle of flavor extract can be far from what it ends up being when properly diluted and part of a 'recipe thankfully given what it tasted like before that)'. This is very much why professional food people will often cook/bake with flavoring direct from the source instead of using a flavoring extract (as well as to avoid all the stuff they don't want in their foods that comes along with the flavoring). It may look like extra steps or a chef being too fancy when goes to the pricy vanilla bean for his flavor rather than measuring it out of a bottle, or using the fresh juice/peel from citrus fruit and so on.
Second, flavorings also change flavor when mixed with other flavors and other products, especially other flavors, their flavors can change -weaken, strengthen and turn depending on shelf life and preservatives used. This is why bakers, chefs, etc tend to use flavorings all from the same source if not creating their own fresh extracts. Things with a shorter shelf life so they cannot be stored in bulk, and therefore cheaper, amounts do cost more. I would worry that the flavoring - since so very little is used, as a bulk purchase like you seem to be thinking wuld end up costing you the same as the flaring would just go bad before you used it all.
Unless a flavor is out of date - if its the base flavor itself you should hold on ti it even if you find it tastes really bad in its own bottle. Like I said some flavorings until diluted or mixed with other things or you add sweeteners or acids (like citric acid) just taste gastly. But sweeten them up or dilute them in a bit of sour or mix them with a few other flavors and they can be great. You could find that that first flavoring you bought and that was terrible, mixed well with something you get later on that might not be what you expected.
You have to take a look at what type of flavorings you are buying and what is in them and understand what the ingredients means. For example, there is a wide range of difference between organic, natural (not the same as natural) and artificial flavors and depending n the type of flavoring you use they can be constituted in or produced by using solvents that you don't want to inhale. Some flavorings contain food colors, some in small enough amounts they don't even have to be listed on a label let alone what things go into making those colorings and whether they are natural colorings (say from fruits) or artificial. While the food colorings are diluted in the flavoring and then diluted when it is the amount is small enough not to do damage when ingested but the respiratory system is much different and things can get into your body through inhalation that cannot get near it via digestion. Even taken by mouth some food colorings have been found, in the past to be cancer risks and many are still being monitored by the FDA - and while considered safe in food they are not approved to be used for inhalation, not not approved but not approved either. Vaping e-juice is a new things and so not everything is known about the effects of some of the things in there although what is there is safe for human consumption and people have swallowed, chewed, rubbed into their skin and they have not caused general problems or found to be unsafe by those methods - less is known about flavorings - even those approved for medications by the FDA for oral consumption.
Besides the things we don't know about in flavorings except to know they are there are the things we know about and should question. Alcohol for example. Some have a relatively large amount - for example vanilla extract hsa enough that some people with severe alcohol problems and low on cash have been known to drink it straight. Not a good thing and it can make them pretty sick.
Yes, it is often mentioned that vodka be offered as a rinse for steps in cleaning but many people have gotten away from that. Its not that drinking alcohol cannot be inhaled (some medical procedures used to do this) and its not dangerous to use it as a method to speed up drying of wicks and atomizers (although not really necessary its just a personal choice) since by the time the atomizer and wicks have dried the alcohol content has mainly evaporated off and what little might be there still is gone with a dry burn. However having it as part of the e-juice which keeps refreshing n the wick begs the question of how much is inhaled - its 'evaporated' off the coil and becomes part of the vapor.
There are also some flavorings that contain perfume components, such as lavender, vanilla and others - since part of tasting a flavor needs 'smell' component to register on the brain as that certain flavor. Some flavors have to be produced using various solvents - sme are chemical solvents - to extract the flavor and while some of these make it into the flavorings they won't hurt (that we know of) if swallowed but no one has had a chance to study inhalations. You also have to remember that USDA or FDA food grade is much different is production guidelines from USP approvals.
Flavorings can also contain food grade preservatives, especially ones with long shelf lives and even a few I have bought that were certified organic contained a preservative. A preservative that will not harm the body when eaten may have an effect on lung tissue, a lot of this is unknown so you might not want to risk it. And because you don't neither to vendors and so you see larger prices for flavoring
So you have to be very astute about what you use when it comes to flavoring your e-juice. Unfortunately, the better organic flavorings without additives or colorings or whatever are more expensive. Thats not to say that you can't get ones as good on the cheap or that just paying a large dollar amount means they are perfect - you have to learn to research them so you know.
I have done a lot of DIY but not in an attempt to save cost. For the most part the may 'standard flavors' I can buy custom made as cheaply as I can make them unless I make them in such large qualities that they are aging on my shelf much longer than just buying them as needed, letting them steep a couple of weeks and then using the 'fresh'. I got into DIY for the 'fun' of it, the hobby of it and to see what recipes I could come up with that I liked or if I could improve on some I thought would be good with a bit more of this or a bit more of that.
I did find that I ended up buying my basic flavorings form all over the place and from various vendors depending on the flavor itself. I found some flavorings that met criteria I wanted to stick with such as not having certain additives being carried at one vendor right next to other flavors that did - so those I had to shop for elsewhere. I really like lavender, for instance, but had to spend a great deal of time finding one that had a food based 'perfume' over a cosmetic grade one. I only buy that one flavoring from that store as the others they carry contain a great deal of preservatives.
I found that flavoring was the major expenditure for me. I know some people that just have a couple of favorites and make large batches at a time can really hold their costs down, I have seen their numbers and can see its a few pennies a ml. I know that you can save some cost by making up large amounts of unflavored with a dilution that will allow the addition of flavoring without diluting too much when the flavor is finally added at a later time. I was able to get very large quantities of PG/VG at very low prices going locally for PG (hardware store) and VG (pharmacy) although there was very little difference in price for the nic base. But the cost did add up with the flavorings and as they did have nearly the shelf life that the other ingredients had and so I did end up tossing flavorings simply because they were 'out of date' long before they were used up.
There are great links to lots of vendors that people have given you, and if you have just a couple of flavors you use over and over to make your e-juice to your taste then one will have all the ones you want. If not take the time to check out all the vendors and locate the best option and flavor you want from several or many vendors til you have the basic ones to work with. You will also find that the vendors themselves can be very helpful if you work with them on the phone or email. Many flavoring labels come with sparse lists of ingredients and give no clue how they are processed while the vendor will have that information from the maker.
Lol, Must be! Or spilling it all over himself filling his tank, I have no clue on how one can vape that amount daily.
Even chain vaping all day & all nite, may use 10-12ml I would think. Rereading his post, looks like he may be inquiring for a group of friends sharing. Or one big happy vaping family or something. Good night, John boy, pass the provari.
Thank you! I will probably make an order soon for nic. What I ordered for WL is the mg I'm currently vamping (18mg) so you can imagine what the final liquid is (I figure between 6 and 7 mg).
Now what that means, if you are a dense as me
is get a higher nic level then it can be diluted to the level you vape.
Lol, Must be! Or spilling it all over himself filling his tank, I have no clue on how one can vape that amount daily.
Even chain vaping all day & all nite, may use 10-12ml I would think. Rereading his post, looks like he may be inquiring for a group of friends sharing. Or one big happy vaping family or something. Good night, John boy, pass the provari.
My Rsst empty in couple hours.
Do the math.
That's about 30ml a day.
*grin* Sorry bout that, Light Seeker. I wasn't intending that to come across as my taking a poke at you specifically, but others had said similar things and your post was just what I needed in a small concise quote. My apologies. I should not have been in such a hurry to post.
Apologies and my lapse in patience aside, I believe my advice is still sound; I see a lot of DIY posts that make me cringe and worry for the poor soul posting.
stormwench
LOL that was a bunch of "typing to say we don't know" but, you are correct we don't even know if the stuff the vendors sell us is safe to vape. Myself I use the PG based flavors right from Krogers (my local food store). It is a much cheaper version of the I don't know flavors and taste great. I'm betting the farm that none of the flavoring is any worse than anologs.
It cost me about 30 cents to make 30mils of juice. No vendor even comes close.
I have been vaping for a short 3 months. In that three months I have purchased exactly 21mls of pre made juice. In the first few weeks I purchased 15mls from Johnson creek and quickly learned to mix my own. Last week I bought 6mls from a local shop just to see how mine compared. I'm missing nothing. I have over 30 20mil bottles mixed all different flavors.
Some of the flavors came from well known vendors and are great, most of the flavors flat out stink and are not even close to what they call them. Until the vendors offer very low cost sample packs I don't plan to buy anymore. Why because most of it was garbage. Out of 40 different flavors 10 of them are okay. RY4 Double, Hazelnut, Cotton Candy, Carmel, and Double chocolate where good most of the others taste like raid. Not good when 75% of my coin went to the trash.
LOL that was a bunch of "typing to say we don't know" but, you are correct we don't even know if the stuff the vendors sell us is safe to vape. Myself I use the PG based flavors right from Krogers (my local food store). It is a much cheaper version of the I don't know flavors and taste great. I'm betting the farm that none of the flavoring is any worse than anologs.
It cost me about 30 cents to make 30mils of juice. No vendor even comes close.
I have been vaping for a short 3 months. In that three months I have purchased exactly 21mls of pre made juice. In the first few weeks I purchased 15mls from Johnson creek and quickly learned to mix my own. Last week I bought 6mls from a local shop just to see how mine compared. I'm missing nothing. I have over 30 20mil bottles mixed all different flavors.
Some of the flavors came from well known vendors and are great, most of the flavors flat out stink and are not even close to what they call them. Until the vendors offer very low cost sample packs I don't plan to buy anymore. Why because most of it was garbage. Out of 40 different flavors 10 of them are okay. RY4 Double, Hazelnut, Cotton Candy, Carmel, and Double chocolate where good most of the others taste like raid. Not good when 75% of my coin went to the trash.
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Must admit Knight Errant, had to edit my post and remove some derogatory comments
But no harm no foul, you are a scholar and gentleman, and thank you.More importantly, your post is absolutely sound, and I too see posts way too often that make me cringe, with obvious answers in the stickies the forum user never read. Safety first and always! If we don't educate our internal community, others outside it will regulate it, guaranteed.
Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes, USA made E Juice, and Accessories They mix it to order WHEN you order so beware as this is all FRESH and needs to be steeped when you mix it down.
Excellent mixed base liquids in 236mL at reasonable prices. You get the mix you want (%PG to %VG and how much nicotine) using the options.
Was less than $30.
Also great flavor selection in 15mL bottles at less than $3 each.
So I just got 65%/35% base at 24mg nic and then 20 flavor bottles (80%/20%) and I applied their discount code "vaporfrombaker" to get a 10% off and the whole thing was less than $80 for 536mL of juice (easy peasy to get to Xmas with that amount).
Arrived in three days all good.
Note the plastic eating and be aware nicotine is actually extremely poisonous RAW.
Excellent mixed base liquids in 236mL at reasonable prices. You get the mix you want (%PG to %VG and how much nicotine) using the options.
Was less than $30.
Also great flavor selection in 15mL bottles at less than $3 each.
So I just got 65%/35% base at 24mg nic and then 20 flavor bottles (80%/20%) and I applied their discount code "vaporfrombaker" to get a 10% off and the whole thing was less than $80 for 536mL of juice (easy peasy to get to Xmas with that amount).
Arrived in three days all good.
Note the plastic eating and be aware nicotine is actually extremely poisonous RAW.
The RSST, like most RBAs are juice hogs of course. I vape probably 50% more in mine compared to clearos like the protank or viva. I could be way off base Articus, and if I am, my apologies .... But 30ml a day seems to me way too high, something just isn't right. I've reviewed many forum posts asking how much others vape, the highest I seen was 15. You may consider posting in the APV subforum, see if others are experiencing this extreme juice consumption.
Wow!
That was the longest post I ever read yet!
Watch out and have fun?
But anyway thanks for sharing stormwench. (I do not like typing that nickname as I feel like slapping myself for it)
That was the longest post I ever read yet!
Watch out and have fun?
But anyway thanks for sharing stormwench. (I do not like typing that nickname as I feel like slapping myself for it)
Yeah, they got some good prices but I am vaping only tobacco flavors.
I ordered: 555, Havana and Virginia cured.
555 and Havana smells like some kind of medicine, I opened bottle's for a about week, then steeped it in a dark cool place for over a month, still unable to vape.
Virginia cured is the only one I reordered in 236ml, now I am keep mixing it my self.
Mom's Pop's American blend is ok in my pro and evod but horrible in RSST.
But that's just me, we all got different tastes.
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