Who’s Killing the Electronic Cigarette?

[jtpjc]

Innovations in manufacturing, distribution, and advertising are what brought about the cigarette’s domination, and innovation is what can finally end it.

http://theumlaut.com/2013/06/25/whos-killing-the-electronic-cigarette/

 

[sebt]

Great! A positive article trying to tell it like it is. It even mentions the misguided efforts being made to restrict e-cigarettes.

 

[Petrodus]

 

[Vocalek]

The links in that article are great.

"Morgan Stanley projects that e-cigarettes may displace 1.5 billion cigarettes in 2013." Links to story with chart depicting growth of number of displaced cigarettes

"While helpful to some, these therapies are an inadequate solution for most smokers." Links to a blog post by Brad Rodu on effectiveness of standard "smoking-cessation" medications.

"A growing body of evidence and anecdotal success suggests that e-cigarettes may be a more effective alternative." Links to one of many news stories on Prof. Polosa's ECLAT study

 

[Petrodus]

It must really be ticking-off the FDA, BP, and the ANTZ
that marketers are not promoting e-cigs as a smoking cessation ...
However, everyone else in the world is claiming e-cigarettes
are in fact a smoking cessation device.

 

[trouble1000]

That's probably one of the most well thought out articles, I've read in a while.

Really helps to put forward a positive perspective on vaping. I'm going to save that piece for future reference

 

[DC2]

Am I reading this right?

Since no one seriously disputes that using e-cigarettes is far safer than habitually inhaling cigarette smoke, allowing them to compete should be a no-brainer. Unfortunately, the law allows the FDA to ban new tobacco products even when they are irrefutably safer than what is already for sale. The agency evaluates applications based not only on the risk to individual users, but also on how they impact smoking cessation and initiation in the population as a whole. If the FDA decides that these effects outweigh the health benefits, it could ban e-cigarettes not because they are dangerous, but rather in spite of their safety.

That seems to mean that the FDA actually CAN ban electronic cigarettes through the FSPTCA if it wants to.

 

[Petrodus]

That seems to mean that the FDA actually CAN ban electronic cigarettes through the FSPTCA if it wants to.

I suggest the FDA isn't even dreaming about going down that path !!
That would end up being one of their worst "Nightmares".

 

[DC2]

I suggest the FDA isn't even dreaming about going down that path !!
That would end up being one of their worst "Nightmares".

I don't necessarily disagree with you, because I have also speculated many times that the FDA may be somewhat scared of us.
But I would just like to clarify if my reading of that is correct.

 

[Petrodus]

I suggest it has always been about power and money.
Years ago ... All the Power and Money was on their side.
Fast Forward to today
The balance of power and money has tipped on the side of e-cigarettes
with BT and Playboy jumping into the market ... They didn't jump in
on a hope and a prayer ... They jumped in with their power to make money
and now we in the consumer based health freedom movement feel energized.

 

[RosaJ]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, because I have also speculated many times that the FDA may be somewhat scared of us.
But I would just like to clarify if my reading of that is correct.

If they're scared at all it is because we would certainly make enough noise to have them investigated for illicit approvals of products from BP favorites without regard of whether they're effective or even good for the public. It may start with ecigs, but it will soon balloon out of control with other products they've approved such as the hip replacements, Chantix, and on, and on...

 

[Petrodus]

If they're scared at all it is because we would certainly make enough noise to have them investigated for illicit approvals of products from BP favorites without regard of whether they're effective or even good for the public. It may start with ecigs, but it will soon balloon out of control with other products they've approved such as the hip replacements, Chantix, and on, and on...

There is no question ... This has crossed their minds !!
There are many many reasons why the FDA has been silent lately.

Edit:
Oh, by the way, the FDA knows if they try to pull
any stunts ... Hugh Heffner very well might expose
the FDA/BP love affair in his "well read" magazine
as well as join all the others waiting in line to sue the FDA.

The White House administration wouldn't be too pleased
to "hear in the news" about, yet another, government agency scandal.

 

[2coils]

There is no question ... This has crossed their minds !!
There are many many reasons why the FDA has been silent lately.

Edit:
Oh, by the way, the FDA knows if they try to pull
any stunts ... Hugh Heffner very well might expose
the FDA/BP love affair in his "well read" magazine
as well as join all the others waiting in line to sue the FDA.

The White House administration wouldn't be too pleased
to "hear in the news" about, yet another, government agency scandal.

Yea....Heff DOES have the ability to reach a lot of people.

 

[Stubby]

Am I reading this right?



That seems to mean that the FDA actually CAN ban electronic cigarettes through the FSPTCA if it wants to.

The answer is yes the FDA can ban e-cigs if they want to and it would be all completely legal. Many of the ANTZ are pushing them to do just that. Under an article of the Marlboro protection act (FSPTCA) of 2009 any tobacco product on the market before February 15, 2007 is grandfathered in and can't be banned. If introduced after that date the FDA has the power to essentially take it off the market and make it illegal. If they came down with the full force of the law they could essentially ban e-cigs from the US market. That is what the deeming regulation is about. The FDA can deem e-cigs to be a tobacco product, claim they where not on the market before February 15, 2007, and make them illegal.

They have a lot of discretion in that so basically they can do whatever they want.

 

[DC2]

The answer is yes the FDA can ban e-cigs if they want to and it would be all completely legal. Many of the ANTZ are pushing them to do just that. Under an article of the Marlboro protection act (FSPTCA) of 2009 any tobacco product on the market before February 15, 2007 is grandfathered in and can't be banned. If introduced after that date the FDA has the power to essentially take it off the market and make it illegal. If they came down with the full force of the law they could essentially ban e-cigs from the US market. That is what the deeming regulation is about. The FDA can deem e-cigs to be a tobacco product, claim they where not on the market before February 15, 2007, and make them illegal.

They have a lot of discretion in that so basically they can do whatever they want.

I'm aware of the 2007 requirement thing, and that's not what I'm talking about.
What I quoted would be far more serious if you ask me, and I just want to know if I'm reading it right.

 

[Stubby]

I'm aware of the 2007 requirement thing, and that's not what I'm talking about.
What I quoted would be far more serious if you ask me, and I just want to know if I'm reading it right.

Again the answer is yes. For new types of tobacco products the FDA cannot only look at how harmful the product may be, but also what the effect would be on a population level. The theory would be that even though the product may be less harmful then smoking, if that fact encouraged more people to start using it then the overall population level of harm would be grounds for banning the product.

That has been one of the siren cries of the ANTZ. E-cigs may encourage smokers to continue smoking by letting them use e-cigs where smoking is banned and therefore delay quitting cigarettes. The same argument is being made about snus and dissolvables. Of course the whole argument is bogus. The idea involves stretching reality a good deal by assuming that everyone (or anyone) using an e-cig would have quit smoking if they weren't vaping.

None of this can happen unless the FDA deems e-cigs a tobacco product.

No doubt others would be able to explain this better then I can as I have only a rather light understanding of the FSPTCA bill. I could be a bit off on some of my understanding of the law.

 

[DC2]

No doubt others would be able to explain this better then I can as I have only a rather light understanding of the FSPTCA bill. I could be a bit off on some of my understanding of the law.

Well, if it's true, it's the first time I've heard of this potential angle for a ban being discussed anywhere.
I am pretty sure I've ever read that before, but it never clicked until now when that article put it in black and white.

 

[Vocalek]

Am I reading this right?



That seems to mean that the FDA actually CAN ban electronic cigarettes through the FSPTCA if it wants to.

Well, then, we would just have to organize The Million Vapers March.

 

[AgentAnia]

Well, then, we would just have to organize The Million Vapers March.

I'm in! Got my marchin' shoes at the ready.

 

[DC2]

Well, then, we would just have to organize The Million Vapers March.

I've always figured it might come to that.
And Washington DC is a GREAT vacation destination.