Who’s Killing the Electronic Cigarette?

[Vocalek]

And you know, President Obama never did respond to our last petition.

 

[DC2]

And you know, President Obama never did respond to our last petition.

The last petition, which only needed 5,000 signatures, closed on October 17, 2011 and replies started coming on December 15th, 2011.
So last time it took 7 weeks to start getting replies.

This time the petition closed on February 13th after getting nearly 30,000 signatures.
And still no response after more than 13 weeks.

Make that more than four months...

 

[2coils]

And you know, President Obama never did respond to our last petition.

Yea, whats up with that? I dont want to get too political but..... My experience in this forum has forced me to do research that I would have never done. In light of this let me say... my political allegiance seems to be swaying ALOT! I am losing faith in our system.

 

[2coils]

Well, then, we would just have to organize The Million Vapers March.

CASAA and my ECF friends have 100% commitment from me to join as well. Not that far of a ride from jersey.

 

[Nermal]

That has been one of the siren cries of the ANTZ. E-cigs may encourage smokers to continue smoking by letting them use e-cigs where smoking is banned and therefore delay quitting cigarettes. The same argument is being made about snus and dissolvables.

Sounds like there should be a similar argument against nicotine gum.

 

[Petrodus]

And you know, President Obama never did respond to our last petition.

If ya don't acknowledge it ... it doesn't exist
Don't ya know

 

[Stubby]

Sounds like there should be a similar argument against nicotine gum.

Nicotine gum is not a tobacco product........ because it's a drug......... that has nicotine as the only active ingredient........... which makes it different from a tobacco product because.................................................. okay... let me try that again


Nicotine gum is a drug and not a tobacco product because the main active ingredient which is nicotine is used to wean people off .......... nicotine............ and because the FDA says so........................ got that


I should add that it doesn't really work any better then cold turkey but it is still hailed as gods gift to smokers and pushed on to smokers by everyone with any notion of putting money in their pocket from whomever is handing out money this week. It's a wonderful little scam. I wish I was ethically challenged enough to get some.

 

[kristin]

NRT actually are technically "tobacco products," because they use nicotine derived from tobacco. The only difference between e-cigarettes/tobacco and NRT is 1) intended use and 2) FDA approval for that intended use. That is why they are regulated differently and not classified as "tobacco products" that are purely recreational. E-cigarettes, which use the same nicotine as NRT, are still more like tobacco than NRT, because of intended use. If the nicotine from tobacco is being used for a far different reason - such as a treatment for ulceratve colitis or a treatment for addiction, then it is clearly not being used in the same way as tobacco. E-cigarettes, on the other hand, are clearly being used by most for exactly the same purpose they used tobacco cigarettes.

For some to argue e-cigarettes are not a tobacco product because it doesn't "contain tobacco;" even though "Tobacco Product" is defined by the FDA as a product that contains or is derived from tobacco and not approved for use as a medical treatment, is disingenuous.

We need to stop arguing the "tobacco product" label and start arguing that there is nothing wrong with enjoying low-risk tobacco products, anymore than there is with enjoying other things that are "not exactly good for you but unlikely to kill you" products (ie. junk food, caffeinated products, alcohol.) If we get the truth out about low-risk tobacco and nicotine products and make them socially accepted, we have nothing to fear from being called "tobacco products." (Which e-cigarettes clearly are per the FDA definition of "tobacco-derived product not approved as a drug treatment.)

 

[Stubby]

Thank you Kristin. I keep forgetting about intended use. Of course it has to be remembered that a good percentage of use of nicotine gum is off label, meaning that people use it not to quit tobacco/nicotine, but for when they can't smoke (planes, etc) or as long term use instead of smoking. With the new labeling the line between recreational use and drug is getting slim.

A good example of what can go wrong with trying to run away from the classification of tobacco is happening right now in the EU. If the EU ANTZ get there way you won't be able to get e-liquid above .4% for recreational use, which is essentially useless for a smoker trying to switch. Anything above that will be by prescription. The pay offs from BP may pay off very well for them.