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The global tobacco tax will cause the price of a pack of cigarettes in Norway to skyrocket from $16.30 to $51.61. In Germany, a pack of smokes will now jump from $7.50 to $14.48. Smokers in poorer countries will be impacted even more dramatically.

Worse, revenue generated from the taxes must be spent to fund particular government services that the WHO dictates. Countries have lost their ability to budget as they see fit.


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While the US is not affected - it should pull all US members, support and money from this tyrannical organization as well as from the UN who sponsors it.
 

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The global tobacco tax will cause the price of a pack of cigarettes in Norway to skyrocket from $16.30 to $51.61. In Germany, a pack of smokes will now jump from $7.50 to $14.48. Smokers in poorer countries will be impacted even more dramatically.

Worse, revenue generated from the taxes must be spent to fund particular government services that the WHO dictates. Countries have lost their ability to budget as they see fit.


Read more: JOHNSON: The WHO
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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While the US is not affected - it should pull all US members, support and money from this tyrannical organization as well as from the UN who sponsors it.

Especially given how absolutely ignorant/dishonest (e-cigs) and incompetent (ebola) they are!

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This is scandalous! Not only have they cut out the true stakeholders (smokers and vapers) as well as unbiased public health experts, now they're closing the doors and negotiating in secret measures with far-reaching implications! Goes hand-in-hand with this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-cigs-under-fire-orwellian-shadowy-cabal.html

This confirms beyond any contestation that the desk murderers self-appointed to so-called "public health" are solely motivated by money with a crass and criminal disregard for the interests of the public. This is no longer malpractice, it's premeditated murder, it's no better than a hitman taking money for "services rendered" with the specific difference here that the money are taken from the victims. :mad:
 
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My father used to say something that I thought was so funny, I have remembered it forever, and in the case of the WHO, is absolutely right on target: they have their [collective] head so far up their [collective] rear end, they need a plexiglass bellybutton to see where they're going. :facepalm:

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This is scandalous! Not only have they cut out the true stakeholders (smokers and vapers) as well as unbiased public health experts, now they're closing the doors and negotiating in secret measures with far-reaching implications! Goes hand-in-hand with this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-cigs-under-fire-orwellian-shadowy-cabal.html

Exactly, just one more instance of when they can't make the rational argument, they result to shutting up those who do. Same as with Global warming - loss of tenure, failure to peer review critics, Science mag deleting comments and labeling those who criticize as 'nicotine deniers', other mags and sites that close and delete comments when they are 90%+ against their articles. This started as soon as political correctness was allowed as a consideration in speech and press (and when 'hate crimes' became more important than the crime itself, created by, I might add, by people who personify the concept of hate disguised as 'caring').
 
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A Document from the Day 2 COP6

A one-size-fits-all regulatory framework for e-cigarettes will not workface at COP6 is that of electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS ), more commonly known as e-cigarettes.
As the Secretariat of the Framework Convention on tobacco Control (FCTC )concludes in its report to COP6, ENDS
“represent an evolving frontier, filled with promise and threat for tobacco control.” Whether e-cigarettes succeed in enhancing or impeding tobacco control, and public health more broadly, will be determined largely by the regulatory frameworks that Parties put in place to govern product design, manufacturing, marketing, sale, use and
disposal.This does not mean, however, that a single regulatory framework for e-cigarettes is achievable or even desirable. Given significant differences in Parties’ legal systems, smoking prevalence, the state of tobacco control, the market penetration of e-cigarettes within their borders, and the resources and technical
expertise they can devote to regulating the product, a one-size-fits-all regulatory framework for e-cigarettes will not work. Parties are currently regulating e-cigarettes as medicines (therapeutic products), as tobacco
products, as general consumer products and as prohibited products.This does not mean, however, that COP6
should be silent on e-cigarettes. We believethat it may be possible for this COP to achieve agreement on a set of underlying principles that would serve as the foundation for the regulation of ENDS by the Parties.
Although the Framework Convention Alliance (FC A), with some 500 member organisationsworldwide, struggled greatly with the e-cigarette issue over the past few months,we were successful in reaching consensus
on seven broad principles:
1. The global burden of disease and death
from tobacco is primarily caused by
smoking.
2. While quitting tobacco use is paramount,
quitting nicotine use altogether is the best
option.
3. For those unable to quit, switching to
alternative sources of nicotine that are less
harmful than tobacco can reduce, often very
substantially, the harm that smoking causes
to the individual.
4. The benefits of such an approach would
be maximised if uptake were limited to
existing smokers who are unable to quit.
5. The risks of such an approach would be
minimised by limiting uptake by neversmokers,
especially youth, and by taking
measures to protect non-users and
discourage long-term dual use.
6. There could be negative unintended
consequences from over-regulation, just as
there could be from under-regulation.
7. The involvement of tobacco companies in
the production and marketing of e-cigarettes
is a matter of particular concern as there is
an irreconcilable conflict of interest between
public health and those profiting from the
sale of tobacco.
FC A likewise believes that it would be premature for Parties to debate specific
 

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regulatory measures to control e-cigarettes. At
present, there are relatively few high-quality
scientific studies on e-cigarettes; as well, the
wide variation in product characteristics,
including nicotine delivery and emissions,
means that it is not possible to draw definitive conclusions about the health and safety risks
of using e-cigarettes, about the possible risks to others from inhaling the vapour or through
exposure to nicotine in the e-liquid, and about the effectiveness of these products as aids
to quitting smoking. Moreover, there is very little experience at national level in regulating
these products. The FCTC is a compendium of best practices in tobacco control that is
based on a significant body of scientificresearch and was developed after decades of experience among Parties in regulating tobacco products and tobacco use. FC A thus believes that COP should not attempt to define regulations for ENDS until a much larger body of robust scientific research provides greater clarity on the risks and benefits of e-cigarettes, and until the lessons learned from the experience of Parties in
regulating ENDS can be taken into account. To this end, FC A recommends that COPapprove the establishment of an expert group,with a broad range of relevant expertise,including toxicology, addiction, behavioural
sciences, marketing, and tobacco industry practices, that would consider all available evidence and report back to COP7. And finally, FC A urges Parties not to spend undue time at COP6 debating an issue on which consensus is not yet possible.
Melodie Tilson
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2. While quitting tobacco use is paramount,
quitting nicotine use altogether is the best
option
.

[This is the 'consensus' but it simply isn't true (or realistic) - which really doesn't matter to them, as long as there's a consensus.]

5. The risks of such an approach would be
minimised by limiting uptake by neversmokers,
especially youth, and by taking
measures to protect non-users and
discourage long-term dual use.
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Again, the 'net population' ('greatest good') argument raises it's ugly head. Rights are not mentioned of course :facepalm:
 

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I saw this yesterday, following different vape links around; think it was clive Bates' site? He had some interesting things to say about it, as might be expected. :D

The thing that keeps occurring to me, over and over and over, is "how bloody presumptuous!" I'm a grown-up, and have managed to live to be 53 years old, despite my own frequent stupidities great and small. I quit drinking 22 years ago, because I determined at that time that for me it was quit or die, and I preferred the option that didn't include [imminent] death. :D I made that determination and choice, and have lived with it for 22 years, because hey, see above, "I'm a grownup." I've also chosen to use e-cigs rather than smoke, because I have asthma and I knew that getting free of the cigarettes was really essential; the prognosis for asthmatics who smoke nearly always leads to true COPD (emphysema). Vaping does give me some issues to deal with, but I handle them as they arise. I'm hoping that the 3 month point will bring more ease and less asthma. But it's not up to anybody except me what I do and how I handle my health -- I'm trying to make a wiser choice, and they have no damn right to stop me, and they WILL NOT stop me, period. The very nerve of them!

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The treaty that created these guys and that they exist for, requires meetings to be open to the public, unless they aren't. When they aren't public, they are to be parties (govt delegations) only and a minimum of secretariat staff.

The problem is, the Framework Convention Alliance - hundreds of tobacco-control NGO's who basically wrote the treaty and now take care of scorecarding the parties efforts, shaming them into adding more and more restrictions to the treaty and, tho they seem a bit like cheerleaders, they are doing a lot of treaty-writing and such thats usually done by diplomats. So the actual WHO TC people can't get along without the FCA. If they shut out the public, they have to keep the FCA people out as well and then nothing gets done - as tho the government delegates don't know what to think or how to vote unless the FCA is in the room. So they have been planning to re-write their rules so they can keep the public and press out, yet the FCA in; or - have all the public and press screened to keep out tobacco-connected persons. Dunno if they have changed that rule or what it looks like now.

The FCA gets huge contributions from the likes of Robert Woods Johnson, Bloomberg, Bill Gates, and so do many of the NGO's that make up the FCA. So we have Oligarchs paying NGO's to run this show. The 'democratic' representatives of the treaty parties can't/won't do anything without the NGO's. So heres a World Government, with no respect for individuals or the public or the press, run beneath a 'representative' surface by lackies of Oligarchs. And now they are pushing for control over taxation.
 

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Hm... so some organization that syphons off tax money to feed itself, some organization that is supposed to be working for "health" (haha) and holds a nice expensive little all-expenses paid vacation while over 4000 people have died of Ebola , this organization removes the public (those self-same taxpayers) and the press from even viewing its meetings.

Huh????
What are they? Kings? Emperors? The titled ruling class that squanders the money that they took from the peasants while the peasants may not, of course, watch the feasting? Are we talking about the year 2014? Or are we talking about the ruling class in France shortly before the French Revolution?
I do not know whether to be horrified, incredulous, sickened or all of the above.
It makes me think of some secret cult. Like Scientology. Plotting evil behind closed doors. Combining greed and lust for power with brainwashing. Deriding opponents. And holding non-cult-members in absolute contempt.

I read this earlier this morning. I am still incredulous.
Our tax money pays for a cult that attempts to decide over the lives of the world's population behind closed doors?
And none of the countries that dutifully fork over their citizens' tax money to this cult, none of them say STOP.
Hey, I am not talking about the Roman Catholic church in the Middle Ages. I am talking about some employees of some international organization in the year 2014.
WHAT??????????

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As to that tax nonsense:
Wait a minute:
Sovereign states set their own taxes. And no stupid UN body / office / whatever can change that.
We have no World Government ordering sovereign states to do this and stop that, the way the USSR government in Moscow ordered its member states.
This is not "1984" - although it is starting to feel more and more like it.

Whatever that WHO actually is (nobody knows for sure, except that they waste a lot of money, are completely inefficient - Ebola, anyone? - and seem to think that they are important), whatever they are, they do not have the authority to override the tax authority / laws of sovereign states.
 
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My father used to say something that I thought was so funny, I have remembered it forever, and in the case of the WHO, is absolutely right on target: they have their [collective] head so far up their [collective] rear end, they need a plexiglass bellybutton to see where they're going. :facepalm:

Andria
If only I believed it was as simple as them having their heads up their rear ends.
But unfortunately, they know exactly what they are doing.
 

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Of course, the primary concern of the desk murderers at FCTC is to "protect existing tobacco control efforts activities from all". That means the forceful removal from any discussion of all parties who might not be inclined to acquiesce to the cold, calculated, and systematic murder of 1.24 billion smokers worldwide, such as:
  • the actual stakeholders (that would be us, the smokers and vapers)
  • ethical public health and unbiased medical experts
  • The Public
  • free press

In other words, FCTC urges the members of their unholy cabal to preserve the tobacco gravy train at all cost, with callous disregard to evidence, public health, and collateral damage amounting to more than a billion people forced to suffer and die at the hands of ANTZ.
 
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