WholeCig.com pre-opening "the WC" tobacco flavor WTA + products COMING SOON!

[Mr.Mann]

Sorry Mr Mann - Long day
Biggest problem I had was TH I hate TH and I take monster hits so had to get used to shorter draws. Otherwise it works great even after being tied up 2+ hours with no nicotine a few hits and totally took away the cravings that's usually my downfall. After a few hours of nothing - vaping doesn't give me that initial jolt and so I light up. Tomorrow morning I'll give it the just woke up need coffee and nicotine test.
I'm going to try a few drops of vape wizard and see if I can mellow the TH. I'm very optimistic though

Man, imagine if it was all PG. LOL. Maybe just add some more VG to it and knock it down to 16 mg or something like that. It may take a few more vapes, but it should still work.

p.s. Don't like TH? TH is like one of my favorite things in the world.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I only really get a TH from the first few vapes. After that it mellows.

Totally. 5 vapes for me and I am set for about an hour or so.

 

[loxmythe]

Yeah I'm like the only guy on ECF that hates TH and the only person to buy a provari to vape lower voltage

 

[It's Only Me]

I swear! Same here, processed in Indy yesterday, departed Indy yesterday, processed AGAIN in Indy today! Maybe I'll get it tomorrow.

I have noticed that sometimes they scan and sometimes they don't. But it certainly is a tangled web they weave with the routing.
Don't they know we want our juice!!!

 

[aikanae1]

Hi, I just went to Vaping Zone and it indicates the super concentrated flavorings are alcohol based?

I haven't tried them yet so this is part of my planning based on what I've read in various forums. There's 2 types of flavorings; Vz super concentrates and super concentrates. VZ SC are pg based and SC are alchohol based. Both use just a few drops for flavor or 1-3%. That's a lot less than others. I'm in the plannning stages.

When I think about it, talking about flavorings is probably not the most appropiate discussion on a juice makers forum.

Thanks again for the unflavored WholeCig. I know 10ml isn't going to last me very long

 

[It's Only Me]

Yeah I'm like the only guy on ECF that hates TH and the only person to buy a provari to vape lower voltage

I'm a low voltage guy myself.
I don't know what it is to go to 5 volts. My coils last forever.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yeah I'm like the only guy on ECF that hates TH and the only person to buy a provari to vape lower voltage

Forgive me if you know this, have tried this, or currently use this, but I think this may take care of the TH problem without having to dilute. EmpireMods Premium Bridge Free LR901 1.5ohm That is a great atty right there and the best part for you, hardly any TH at all. 901 attys are notoriously smooth and practically non-existent with TH. Though the EMpireMod 901p is a fantastic atty, I get no TH, which is why I can't use 'em. So take your big hit without the big throat hit.

 

[mecocina]

Evening everyone. Just got in from work and I'm too tired to think but I did get my package today, yeah! Gotta be at work early so I'll make sure to have my pv ready for my first morning vape. I'm supposed to make some juice for a co-worker but that will have to wait. Don't want to nod off while measuring.
Good night all. Thanks again Lori for the heads up!

 

[Mr.Mann]

While I am not much into diluting the 25 mg unflavored, I must admit that I got great results with about half VG and half 25 mg. So that was about 12.5 WTA or about 11.8mg/mL nic and about 0.62 mg/mL minor alkaloids. It wasn't the immediate satisfaction as the 25 mg (1.25 mg minor alkaloids), but it was, uhh, maybe like a WTA light? LOL. It did work and I would say it was less of an issue of overdoing it. Good stuff. YMMV

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Those of us who DIY often get a mixture significantly higher in nicotine content than what we use to vape. I use 100 mg/ml base an mix it down to 25 mg/ml (100/4). This allows for a great deal of variation in mixtures, additives, flavorings and such.

Is there a future possibility of concentrated WTA that can be reasonably mixed down by half or more?

 

[FL Lori]

Yeah I'm like the only guy on ECF that hates TH and the only person to buy a provari to vape lower voltage

Well here is your matching gal. I use a vw on 4 watts.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Well here is your matching gal. I use a vw on 4 watts.

...at what nicotine level?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Those of us who DIY often get a mixture significantly higher in nicotine content than what we use to vape. I use 100 mg/ml base an mix it down to 25 mg/ml (100/4). This allows for a great deal of variation in mixtures, additives, flavorings and such.

Is there a future possibility of concentrated WTA that can be reasonably mixed down by half or more?

So you vape at less than 25 mg? I can't speak for JF, but from all I have read and heard, concentrated WTA is even more toxic than that of pure nicotine, so I would imagine most would be leery of shipping it.

When I get a second (when this baby falls to sleep), I can send you a link of when the original creator of WTA made some and spoke of it's toxicity.

However, maybe a higher concentration in VG could be obtained, but I don't know if it will be sold. Maybe when JF gets some time he can speak on it.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

So you vape at less than 25 mg?...

I vape at 25 mg/ml. The 100 mg/ml base I use is mixed down, flavorings, etc. added to create an ejuice of 25 mg/ml. I use 24 mg/ml if 'store bought.'

I don't think those that sell 100 mg/ml base suggest that anyone vape at that level of concentration.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I vape at 25 mg/ml. The 100 mg/ml base I use is mixed down, flavorings, etc. added to create an ejuice of 25 mg/ml. I use 24 mg/ml if 'store bought.'

I get it--so you would want to have the mixes already added to, as opposed to starting at 25 mg and ending up with less than 25 mg. I am going back and forth on this as I would like to have some flavored juices (pre-bought) with zero nic (2x the flavor) so I can mix it to end up at 25 mg. I do understand if this is not the place WC wants to go, but it might be an option in the future. Until then, I am vaping this unflavored at 25 mg and 12 mg.

I imagine WTA as a base for DIYing on a larger scale could be exciting development for certain DIYers. Hell, I am even thinking of crossing the line for that simple possibility; though I sure as hell don't want to handle pure concentrate of alkaloids.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Regardless of Mr.Mann's interpretations of what I have said, if vendors/suppliers don't want to appeal to the DIYers by providing a level of concentration above 25 mg (nicotine/WTA..?), I can certainly understand and respect that.

 

[aikanae1]

Even at 25mg it will appeal to DIYers. One of the things many look for is amount, 125ml or more, with good packaging and shipping options. Some people just want to pop it into their freezer for later. I've also wondered why no nic juice supplier also carries more advanced mixing equip; stainless syringes, pipette pump guns (I think that's what they are called), etc.

I believe Mt. Baker offers the option of buying their custom flavors as concentrates or pre-mixed. I think that's a nice option because it allows users to add their own flavor shots or DIY. They also offer excellent pricing on larger quanities of premixed juice too - and that is very nice.

I don't know what WholeCig has in mind. There are definatley a few juice vendors that have pioneered some solid buisness examples to draw from and there's certainly room for more innovation.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Regardless of Mr.Mann's interpretations of what I have said

What's that about? Oh goodness.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

What's that about? Oh goodness.

Mr.Mann - "So you vape at less than 25 mg?" - faulty conclusion

Mr.Mann - "I get it--so you would want to have the mixes already added to," - a conclusion for which I don't understand the author's meaning

 

[FL Lori]

...at what nicotine level?

12 mg usually