Why battery mod?!

[Aalsen]

Ive seen battery mods with 3,7V to about $100.

Why? The KR808D battery gives 3,7V as well, to 1/10 of the price!

Im after a mod because my 510 does not performe as well as i would like due to my VG liquid ( no th and almost no taste)

With a mod the atty gets more hot and brings out more vapor and taste. Im not really sure about what mod i would get, i dont know anything about mods, just reading a bit. But some mods does not make any sense to me, as the quiestion above..

 

[Calypso]

There are two purposes for battery mods. The first is vanity "Look at what I made" and "I have a very cool looking PV". These may not be the same thing.
The second is practicality long battery life for extended vaping time between charges, fixed voltage higher than 3.7V cheaper than VV mods but can produce better vapor than 3.7V, VV mods for finding the atty/juice combination "sweet spot".

 

[Aalsen]

But those mods are so expencive! Its becoming more expencive than analogs for me. So far it would have been much cheaper to smoke analogs, all the time and ordering eliquids. I think ive found some liquids that would work for me (pg is no good for my throat) but the vg liquids would be better with higher voltage or less resistance on the atty i think. But this would cost a lot of money

 

[jmanning]

If you are looking at a ProVari or Darwin, sure they are pretty expensive, but, you can also build a nice VV boxmod for pretty cheap. I built my Evercool 18650 boxmod for less than $30 and it works perfectly.

 

[HyOnLyph]

Might i suggest... before looking into mods... just try an eGo. It's compatible with all of your 510 stuff except the charger (from what I hear). It'll give you a little better feel for what a mod may be like. Smaller mods with 10440 battery barley exceeds a regular 510.
The eGo is a 650mAh battery and can come larger .... and will give you a better experience.
Also, a Low Resistance atty coupled with the eGo will kick it up a notch with regards to vapor and th. as well as flavor. I've tried the 1.5 ohm and it's a little too hot and burns the juice (for me)... But a 2 ohm is tasty.

I've contemplated a mod and will probably make my own, if I don't buy one first. But since the eGo... i'm not as pressed for making the leap.

 

[StormFinch]

I finally broke down after a year of using stock batteries and bought a mod because I was tired of replacing units. Between regular life expectancy and not so great quality control, I've been through at least half a dozen in that time. With my mod, if the batteries completely die I can always pop in another set, not to mention replacing them is a lot cheaper than buying another stock battery. Yeah, the units themselves can be expensive, but in the long run it will be a lot cheaper than buying several Rivas throughout the year because they died just after the warranty ran out.

Secondly, I wasn't getting everything I needed from the stocks and was occasionally smoking a cigarette here and there. With my Infinity I can dial up the power and it gets me over the hump a lot easier than chain vaping on a big batt.

 

[Aalsen]

If you are looking at a ProVari or Darwin, sure they are pretty expensive, but, you can also build a nice VV boxmod for pretty cheap. I built my Evercool 18650 boxmod for less than $30 and it works perfectly.

How do i build a VV boxmod? Ive searched a little but dont find any guide on how to build it or what parts i need..
A VV would be the smartest to use if i want more than 3,7V but not as much as 5V or 6V

Might i suggest... before looking into mods... just try an eGo. It's compatible with all of your 510 stuff except the charger (from what I hear). It'll give you a little better feel for what a mod may be like. Smaller mods with 10440 battery barley exceeds a regular 510.
The eGo is a 650mAh battery and can come larger .... and will give you a better experience.
Also, a Low Resistance atty coupled with the eGo will kick it up a notch with regards to vapor and th. as well as flavor. I've tried the 1.5 ohm and it's a little too hot and burns the juice (for me)... But a 2 ohm is tasty.

I've contemplated a mod and will probably make my own, if I don't buy one first. But since the eGo... i'm not as pressed for making the leap.

But the ego has the same voltage output as the 510, that would be no difference except that the battery last longer..
And where do i find the 510 atty with 2.0 ohm?

 

[jmanning]

How do i build a VV boxmod? Ive searched a little but dont find any guide on how to build it or what parts i need..
A VV would be the smartest to use if i want more than 3,7V but not as much as 5V or 6V

I used input from the Evercool Variable Voltage Mod thread and bought parts from MadVapes and Digkey. Another option would be to buy one Box Mods.

 

[AttyPops]

OK, I'll chime in for fun. StormFinch (and others) put it well. Summary from my experience:

1) Small cig-like batteries only last an hour or two. They don't have a long lifetime either. Die after 2-3 months. The more you recharge a li-ion battery, the more it degrades. It's the recharging that kills em. And you charge small batteries a lot.
2) 3.7 volt is better than 3.2 volt.
3) eGo batteries are $20.00. Batteries for my mod... $5.00 each. Also have a nifty new li-ion charger around now.
4) Can build your own 3.7 volt box mod for about $10.00.

So for the simplest solution, a do-it-yourself 3.7 volt box mod (approximate ball-park USD):
$ 10.00 box mod kit
$ 10.00 li-ion charger
$ 10.00 2 batteries
$ 5.00 epoxy

this is assuming that you have access to a soldering iron, drill, drill bits, wire, solder. When done, you have a box mod, 2 batteries, and a charger that can charge a bunch of li-ion batteries. You can purchase the pre-assembled plastic box mod for about $25.00. Of course, there are many mods out there (very nice ones too) at varying prices.

Batteries after that are $5.00 each and are 900 mAh. The box mod lasts 1/2 a day or more.

Add about $5.00 more, and you can get the parts for a 5v mod.

Example:
http://www.madvapes.com/5v-510-Box-Mod-Kit_p_2790.html

 

[Gummy Bear]

And most mods don't look like an analog either. big selling point for me after being off of those damn things for over 9 months now.

 

[burnsmary95]

A good inexpensive 3.7 mod is the rough stack at madvapes.com they also sell modding parts and have how to pages...

 

[OgreLokon]

But the ego has the same voltage output as the 510, that would be no difference except that the battery last longer..

well, there's that, but you also can't use lower resistance attys

 

[NCC]

And most mods don't look like an analog either. big selling point for me after being off of those damn things for over 9 months now.

Absolute agreement with that. I don't WANT a cigarette replica. Even if it had a battery based on unobtainium and a charge lasted months. I gave up cigarettes and don't want to look like I'm smoking one.

But the ego has the same voltage output as the 510, that would be no difference except that the battery last longer..

Yeah, for me at least, that IS kinda the point. I haven't yet gone VV. I sampled HV and found it not to my liking. So, I'm happy for now with my 2600+ mAh 18650 3.xV mods and LR atomizers. A charge lasts me in excess of 12 hours, generally all day (16 hours).

And where do i find the 510 atty with 2.0 ohm?

LR 510s are all over the interwebs. Most suppliers have them now.

A word of caution regarding LR. If you decide to get an eGo-type, don't go lower than 2.0 ohm.

 

[icemanx3]

I've built some box mods for about $20-$30 bucks...true 3.7v and batteries last ALL day. Also just ordered a 3.7V bottom feeder box mod from Old Goat...probably run around $50 ish with special paint job.

My RoughStack 3.7v mod was $75 and came with a bunch of stuff...still using it today after 4 months without a glitch.

However, finally going to build a copper 3.7 mod, the one Breakthru put up directions for...probably wont cost much.

Go for it!! Get a mod and you wont be disappointed!!

ice

 

[undertheradar]

First, I vaped a week on my mall cig, then on 510 long batts, then several ego 650 and 900 mah batteries. (900 batts are WAY better than 650s). To reward myself for 2 months without a single drag on an analog, I bought a Provari to get more throat hit and to learn about how resistance of my atty or carto relates to voltage.

I found that the resistance varies from 2.3 to 3.3 on both my 30 or so cartos and my 16 attys. Three of these cartos and one atty I had given up on, since I thought they were worn out or just duds. They all work fine now. Higher resistance just needs a little extra voltage to perform well.

For throat hit without PG, I add Everclear at 5-10% of the final mix and homemade cinnamon flavoring (soak cinnamon sticks in VG) and up the voltage a little. If that isn't enough, I up the nic by 2 mg/ml to 14 mg/ml. That plus a sharper (faster) inhale and waiting longer between hits works great now. I'm glad I spent the 200 bucks for the Provari and 18650 high-drain batts.

 

[Aalsen]

Thank you for all your inputs!
So, ive decided to try the 510 boxmod kit from madvapes. Its 3,7V but the battery is 3,6V? Wouldnt it be 3,6V then?

Its true about the battery lasting longer and if it dies, can just replace the battery. A lot cheaper then buying a new stock one.

And I was thinking of buying a pack of the 2.0ohm cartomizers, one 2.0ohm atomizer and a pack of the 2.8-3.0ohm e2 ceramic cartomizers as well from madvapes to go with the 3,7 boxmod. This would crank up the amps a bit?

My first kit ever was the kr808 and ive never been as happy as i was with that one. Maybe one reasen is that the kr808 has actual 3,7V output. And Since i drip, maybe cartomizers works great because of the thread goes through the cart and touches more liquid than just having one on the bottom, like 510 attys.

Just thoughts.. Im still learning

 

[HyOnLyph]

But the ego has the same voltage output as the 510, that would be no difference except that the battery last longer..
And where do i find the 510 atty with 2.0 ohm?

If I understand it correctly, the 510 is at best 3.2 volts and sometimes lower. The eGo is closer to 3.7v and a mod would be true 3.7v.

Lots of places sell 2 ohm attys and cartomizers. Also a 306 atty will fit a 510. It's a different style... more for dipping.
IkenVape.com has them. I'm sure there are other sites.. Maybe someone here can chime in where you get LR Attys.

 

[StormFinch]

Actually, the 510 and eGo are both around 3.1-3.3v and the true 3.7 is the kr808. For more on voltages see; http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

 

[rannox]

A fully charged Li-ion 3.7(6) is usually about 4.2v.
Make sure you got a charger and enough batts for the box mod.

I would recommend the evercool also, i built mine for literally about $5 + batteries and charger (samples are awesome). Just dont get lazy and forget to epoxy everything, or juice might leak in and destroy your board (rip evercool, rip)

 

[HyOnLyph]

Actually, the 510 and eGo are both around 3.1-3.3v and the true 3.7 is the kr808. For more on voltages see; http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

Thank you so much for that link. I love it when I find new info... especially if I've been in error. (at least most of the time... )