I read a quit smoking forum and I am so sick of the cold turkey quitters bashing everyone that has used any kind of NRT especially vaping. It really makes me mad. There are rehabs for drugs and alcohol but the only thing we have is NRT to help I say whatever it takes
why do cold turkey quitters think they are superior?
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People are like that about everything. I like industrial music. Very few people the world over are aware of industrial music in general. When people ask about it, I have to dig around and say things like "Imagine Nine Inch Nails minus the pop music aspect.", "Have you heard of Kraftwerk", "Kinda like hip-hop, but less funky and with a lot more Hitler samples", etc, etc.
And then when I go to industrial music forums, people mention the industrial bands that they like and I'm like "Rammstein is really a metal band, though.", "VNV Nation would be OK if there was more screaming and less singing.", "Acumen Nation is just Techno with people shouting", etc.
It's human nature - whatever works for me must be the only thing that works, whatever I like must be the only thing that is appealing, however I see it must be the only way to look at it.
I have a love/hate relationship with my eGo-T. It's the best thing in the world in terms of convenience and simplicity, but the attys seem to have a four-day half life. Some people here think that the eGo-T atty isn't worth the paint that's on it, garbage, useless, only a fool would stick with that. Others think that if your atty doesn't last for two months that you are inept, not qualified to be a vaper and should just either switch back real cigarettes or buy a $200 box mod.
Same thing with the cold turkeys. The fact that they can't stand in a room with smokers, flipped out for six weeks straight on their friends and girl/boyfriends and have turned being anti-smoking into a semi-religious cause escapes them, because the rest of us just can't see the clear truth: quitting cold turkey...
You get the idea.
And then when I go to industrial music forums, people mention the industrial bands that they like and I'm like "Rammstein is really a metal band, though.", "VNV Nation would be OK if there was more screaming and less singing.", "Acumen Nation is just Techno with people shouting", etc.
It's human nature - whatever works for me must be the only thing that works, whatever I like must be the only thing that is appealing, however I see it must be the only way to look at it.
I have a love/hate relationship with my eGo-T. It's the best thing in the world in terms of convenience and simplicity, but the attys seem to have a four-day half life. Some people here think that the eGo-T atty isn't worth the paint that's on it, garbage, useless, only a fool would stick with that. Others think that if your atty doesn't last for two months that you are inept, not qualified to be a vaper and should just either switch back real cigarettes or buy a $200 box mod.
Same thing with the cold turkeys. The fact that they can't stand in a room with smokers, flipped out for six weeks straight on their friends and girl/boyfriends and have turned being anti-smoking into a semi-religious cause escapes them, because the rest of us just can't see the clear truth: quitting cold turkey...
You get the idea.
About 2 years ago, I lost 40 pounds the old-fashioned way: I ate less, and I exercised. Afterward, I recall a felt sense of superiority every time I'd see a commercial for a new fad diet or yet another sort of herbal weight-loss pill/potion.
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I think it's part superiority and the fact that they still struggle with the addiction. I have a friend who has been smoke free for 20 years and still has cravings on a daily basis. He used to hang out with us in the smoke pit on breaks.
I have always had the idea that they really wanted a cigarette watching you vape and cannot latch onto the idea of the technology. It's easier to make fun and feel superior than admit that you still have the cravings. I equate it to how crazy people thought when the ideology of the earth being round was first brought up.
I think a lot of it is some silly stoic idea that we have in Western society that equates suffering with moral character.
That, and there's another aspect to consider--that of sour grapes. It's kind of like walking up thirty-six flights of stairs, then getting to the top and just when you're rested up and proud that you made it--DING!--some jackwagon gets off of the elevator that you didn't know was there.
To some cold-quitters, vaping isn't what it really is (which is just another means of being a nonsmoker), it's an insult to all the hard work they put in and suffering they endured, and even acknowledging it as a viable alternative would mean also acknowledging that maybe things didn't have to be nearly as tough on them as the path they chose to get there.
That, and there's another aspect to consider--that of sour grapes. It's kind of like walking up thirty-six flights of stairs, then getting to the top and just when you're rested up and proud that you made it--DING!--some jackwagon gets off of the elevator that you didn't know was there.
To some cold-quitters, vaping isn't what it really is (which is just another means of being a nonsmoker), it's an insult to all the hard work they put in and suffering they endured, and even acknowledging it as a viable alternative would mean also acknowledging that maybe things didn't have to be nearly as tough on them as the path they chose to get there.
We are superior... I know, I have quit cold turkey many many many times, I am an expert. 
( chuckle )
Ok Kidding aside…. I know it can be hard to detect sarcasm in a post... but that was intended as self depreciating and sarcastic.
Some folks are more exterior focused, need approval from others to feel good about themselves, and sometimes that extends to trying to convince themselves that they are superior to others, to compensate for their own insecurity. ( my parents were notorious for only feeling about themselves by how they were perceived by others, while at the same time, trying to feel like they did things better than others did ) I hated that.
Others are more self sufficient, and feel good about themselves regardless of what others think and say, and do their best not to pass judgment on others that do things differently than themselves.
I try to be more of the latter, but it isnt always easy to do, particularly when one of the former get very vocal.
I am happy for folks that wanted to quit were able to quit cold turkey, I am happy for folks that want to quit and succeeded using the patch, or gum, or pills, or hypnosis, or some other method, Heck... I am happy for people that just decided that they are going to just be a smoker because they want to be and continue to smoke. ( I defend them as well, it is their life and none of my business ) And I am happy for folks whether they smoked or not that are vaping if that is what they want to do.
I hope to quit, and having failed at quitting so many times and in so many different ways, I am rather excited and pleased that this is working so well. Even if I am using a e-cig that others think is so bad I should go back to smoking ( chuckle )
Codex Gigas is very astute, I have the same relationship with my eGo-T, although the attys are lasting me a month, I still have to fiddle with them a lot. Still, it is working for me, and I am not going back to cigarettes, and I am not ready to buy that $200 box mod either.
What I have is working for me, frustrating sometimes... but working. I am going to try carts and attys and cartomizers ( oh my ) at some point... just to try them... but the tank system is working for me.
( chuckle )
Ok Kidding aside…. I know it can be hard to detect sarcasm in a post... but that was intended as self depreciating and sarcastic.
Some folks are more exterior focused, need approval from others to feel good about themselves, and sometimes that extends to trying to convince themselves that they are superior to others, to compensate for their own insecurity. ( my parents were notorious for only feeling about themselves by how they were perceived by others, while at the same time, trying to feel like they did things better than others did ) I hated that.
Others are more self sufficient, and feel good about themselves regardless of what others think and say, and do their best not to pass judgment on others that do things differently than themselves.
I try to be more of the latter, but it isnt always easy to do, particularly when one of the former get very vocal.
I am happy for folks that wanted to quit were able to quit cold turkey, I am happy for folks that want to quit and succeeded using the patch, or gum, or pills, or hypnosis, or some other method, Heck... I am happy for people that just decided that they are going to just be a smoker because they want to be and continue to smoke. ( I defend them as well, it is their life and none of my business ) And I am happy for folks whether they smoked or not that are vaping if that is what they want to do.
I hope to quit, and having failed at quitting so many times and in so many different ways, I am rather excited and pleased that this is working so well. Even if I am using a e-cig that others think is so bad I should go back to smoking ( chuckle )
Codex Gigas is very astute, I have the same relationship with my eGo-T, although the attys are lasting me a month, I still have to fiddle with them a lot. Still, it is working for me, and I am not going back to cigarettes, and I am not ready to buy that $200 box mod either.
What I have is working for me, frustrating sometimes... but working. I am going to try carts and attys and cartomizers ( oh my ) at some point... just to try them... but the tank system is working for me.
I firmly believe that cold turkey quitters turn all the frustration of quitting and low level craving on the smokers and other types of quitters. If they're being honest, a cold turkey quitter that hasn't smoked in 10 years will admit that they still wish they could smoke. I know that the seven months I quit that way were some of the worst. I could smell cigarette smoke coming from a passing car on a busy street, and it was like a siren song.
Now look at the fact that the human race in general loves to one up each other. You know, like the way our parents told us to quit complaining about having to ride the bus to school since they had to walk a mile, in the snow, uphill, both ways. We do it to our kids by telling them they couldn't possibly be bored because the only electronic game we had to play with when we were growing up was Operation.
Add those two together and you've got a cranky ex-smoker with a permanent jones who believes that the way they quit was harder and better than those who "took the easy way out". Even though, quitting via NRT with it's constant low level trickle of nicotine is like feeding a cracker an hour to a starving man and obviously doesn't work 93% of the time.
Now look at the fact that the human race in general loves to one up each other. You know, like the way our parents told us to quit complaining about having to ride the bus to school since they had to walk a mile, in the snow, uphill, both ways. We do it to our kids by telling them they couldn't possibly be bored because the only electronic game we had to play with when we were growing up was Operation.
Add those two together and you've got a cranky ex-smoker with a permanent jones who believes that the way they quit was harder and better than those who "took the easy way out". Even though, quitting via NRT with it's constant low level trickle of nicotine is like feeding a cracker an hour to a starving man and obviously doesn't work 93% of the time.
People in gneral have a hard time putting themselves in anybody elses shoes. If I can do it (however that may be) you can do it too is their motto. Nothing worse then a ex-smoker that quit cold turkey as far as expecting everyone else to become an ex-smoker via the cold turkey method. Sad as they should be among the most understanding but they rarely are.
Quitting cold turkey is the best way to quit if you can do it. I tried. I can't. So, e-cigs are the way to go for me. But... I give the CT quitters credit for their accomplishment. I DON'T agree with their bashing of the rest of us.
Like mentioned above, they re-direct I guess. Oh well. People are funny. Let it go. Do what works for you.
Like mentioned above, they re-direct I guess. Oh well. People are funny. Let it go. Do what works for you.
In AA people have a name for people that stop drinking alcohol without any sort of support or program and scoff at the ones that do- "Dry Drunks".
Guess it's the same with dieters and smokers. There's an anger and a sort of passive agressive behavior attached to it. Vapers (to me anyway) try to be helpful, they don't appear to have the whole, I did it so why can't you aspect.
Guess it's the same with dieters and smokers. There's an anger and a sort of passive agressive behavior attached to it. Vapers (to me anyway) try to be helpful, they don't appear to have the whole, I did it so why can't you aspect.
Wow, now i don't feel as bad anymore...it's 7 years for me and cravings are still there...
Thanks
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I tried to quit drugs without help and it was terrible, i finally used something that helped a lot and i'm glad to be clean. From that experience I knew i didn't want to cold turkey quit smoking analogs, vaping helps and it's a great hobby.
And to really get the quitters hate up, I went to a stop smoking news group and posted a little about e-cig, if they could I'm sure some of them would come to my house and burn my computer. Of course I looked at all the ones having trouble, most likely more non-quitters stories in that group than successful quitters in our groups.
I think the difference between them and me is that they REALLY wanted to quit. I didn't. I REALLY liked smoking. And I also REALLY liked annoying them by telling them that. LOL
However, once I tried vaping, I tried taking a couple of puffs off a cigarette...twice...and couldn't do it anymore. It tasted awful. So, I kept vaping.
Now I REALLY like vaping...have no intention of quitting. Maybe I'll go to zero nic in time (I've already dropped down from 24 nic to 18), but I still like it, and intend to keep doing it. And, if that annoys them, I like that too.
I'm not big on anyone flaunting moral superiority for any reason. IMO, they should just leave everyone alone, and mind their own business.
I do give them a lot of credit for being able to "just quit cold turkey", but that's why they make chocolate and vanilla. Everyone's different.
The ones that get me are the ones that are still smoking like chimneys and say they want to quit, but then look down on vapers...saying "it's not quitting". OK. So smoke then. I do try to educate those who are interested, but if they're just being obnoxious (and out comes their superiority complex), it's not my business to try to "convert" them. Either they'll quit, or they won't. It's up to them.
However, once I tried vaping, I tried taking a couple of puffs off a cigarette...twice...and couldn't do it anymore. It tasted awful. So, I kept vaping.
Now I REALLY like vaping...have no intention of quitting. Maybe I'll go to zero nic in time (I've already dropped down from 24 nic to 18), but I still like it, and intend to keep doing it. And, if that annoys them, I like that too.
I'm not big on anyone flaunting moral superiority for any reason. IMO, they should just leave everyone alone, and mind their own business.
I do give them a lot of credit for being able to "just quit cold turkey", but that's why they make chocolate and vanilla. Everyone's different.
The ones that get me are the ones that are still smoking like chimneys and say they want to quit, but then look down on vapers...saying "it's not quitting". OK. So smoke then. I do try to educate those who are interested, but if they're just being obnoxious (and out comes their superiority complex), it's not my business to try to "convert" them. Either they'll quit, or they won't. It's up to them.
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