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Why do I get vape tongue so easily?

Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by Andromendous, May 16, 2017.

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  1. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    It's really weird. I only recently became 100% vape only in the past few weeks. I've vaped and smoked on and off for a few years, just couldn't completely kick the habit until now. For some reason in the past few weeks I've got super vapor tongue. I switch up my juices a lot, I dont vape the same thing for more than a few drips, and I usually vape no flavor more than anything. But for some reason, it only takes a few hits of one flavor, for it to completely disappear I taste absolutely nothing. Not even the VG or Nic in my juice. My tongue gets super dry, almost feels like sandpaper. Ill switch flavors, and get a slight taste of it the first hit, then its gone. Everything I make is 70VG 30PG 6mg nic. Right now I mainly vape my Velocity clone, dual coil, dual 26g claptoned with 36g all 316L SS. right now its a .15ohm at 75watts. It is 8 wraps so their pretty big coils, I wonder is it possible its the SS? or maybe too much heat? This just doesnt make since, I used to vape store bought juice on a Freemax Starr sub ohm .2ohm and I could chain vape till the end of time and Id never lose one hint of flavor. I dont get it.. Also, I drink tones of water. All day long..
     
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  2. go_player

    go_player Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 2, 2012
    USA
    While it's hard to say for sure, this is the most likely culprit, and it's anecdotally pretty common. Your sense of taste and smell go through some weird gyrations when you stop smoking, and vaping can exacerbate that. One explanation I've seen proposed is that when you stop smoking your sense of smell comes back so much that the sudden overload of strong flavors in juice can cause your sense of taste and smell to just shut down for a bit. I've experienced this, and unfortunately it is the pleasant flavors that tend to shut down first, letting the less pleasant flavors they masked shine through.

    I think DIY might make this worse, especially if you're tasting a lot of freshly mixed juices. A lot of flavors have some strong chemical-tasting solvents, etc. in them, and even with "Shake and Vape" recipes they can be overwhelming when not thoroughly mixed/steeped.
     
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  3. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    Well, that would explain it. I also think I might be either a super taster, or just sensitive to certain chemicals. I am always able to smell the slightest bit of a natural gas leak when no one ells seems to smell it. Even when I did smoke. Another example, CAP Vanilla custard just tastes like NyQuil to me, even at 1%. Although after about a 1 month steep its not too bad. TFA Banana Cream tastes good, but I can taste the alcohol in it even at 2 %. Maybe I should just give it time. Hopefully your right.

    Thanks for the reply.
     
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  4. Tony80

    Tony80 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2015
    Coffee is supposed to help reset taste buds...if you don't drink it, just breathe the aroma from a bag of grounds or beans.

    But yeah. Flavor goes bonkers for a while after dropping the fire sticks. Found a flavor I liked a lot, about two weeks later it was disgusting, and a different flavor that I tried that almost made me gag was great.
     
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  5. go_player

    go_player Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 2, 2012
    USA
    That could be. But I'm going to suggest that the cause might actually be the opposite. I'm not at all a super-taster, but there are off-notes in juice and in flavorings that I sometimes find very unpleasant. Interestingly, I find them most so when my senses are most dulled. I think this is because the things we find pleasant in juice mask the things we find unpleasant (this is why, I think, you find so much sweetener, etc., in commercial juice- if all else fails sweetener does a good job of masking off-notes. It's also why commercial juices tend more toward CAP bakeries than INW Biscuit, because that stuff is pure alcohol and shoe leather when your sense of smell is dead.)
     
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  6. Kenna

    Kenna Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 14, 2014
    Texas, USA
    Your tastebuds will continue to change periodically for a long time. I'd settle in with flavors & then after a few months suddenly I'd be vaping something I hadn't liked before, or something I'd loved would taste different & lose it's appeal. Higher vg may be muting your flavor suddenly as your taste changes. I went through something similar a couple of times. For awhile, I couldn't get enough water to satisfy thirst, it had to be really cold water to be at all satisfying. Another time I kept getting vapers tongue. It all eventually stopped, but I'd brush my teeth using a really strong minty toothpaste, drink pickle juice, od on Altoids, swap to an opposite flavor n anything to get domw flavor I could taste. I was vaping a higher nic, low watts & 50/50 juice at the time. I was able to stop chain vaping after I'd been vaping a few months & that helped, & then it stopped completely. After the first year it settled in & haven't had a problem for over a year & a half. Try changing up your style. I know when I'm out somewhere that I can't burn & wick but my cotton hits that no flavor stage I can lower my power just a little & there's the flabor again. Try higher resistance & lower power, or change up your ratios, try something the total opposite of the thing you can't taste, add some lemon to your water.
    I'm remembering things that happened & what worked to fix it when I first started vaping. If you've recently stopped analogs completely your just going thru the normal changes. It will calm down h your flavors will be there.

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  7. Kenna

    Kenna Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 14, 2014
    Texas, USA
    Any custards & creams are going to need weeks to steep to develop their sweet spot. I make an aged bourbon custard that takes a month long steep for the flavor to be there. Before that it's too weak on the bourbon cream & the custard isn't great. At that 1 month mark it's there & is my adv. There's just no amount of heat or anything to speed it up either.

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  8. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. It really had me worried for a min. I know about vapor tongue, or, "sinus fatigue", It just has never been this bad. I hope it doesn't take too long, I've really been trying hard to make some decent recipes, now thats gonna be hard if I cant taste them... I'll try some of your suggestions maybe its time to break the old kayfun v2 back out.
     
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  9. SteveS45

    SteveS45 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2016
    Long Island, New York
    I have found that drinking lemon flavored water or eating some lemon sorbet cleanses the pallet and wakes up the taste buds along with eating a pickle or some fresh pineapple. Just a couple of suggestions from personal experience and you might want to slow down on switching the flavors as much as you do. I switch at least 6 times a day myself but after only a few pulls light be flavor overload. Another little trick or cure I found recently was a Jolly Rancher. That woke my taste buds up for sure! Good Luck!
     
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  10. JCinFLA

    JCinFLA Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 21, 2015
    You may be tasting something else in it, because neither the regular TFA Banana Cream nor the DX version of it contain any alcohol. Maybe it's the acetoin in the regular version that you're tasting? The DX version doesn't have it.

    Also, about your vapor's tongue...another ECF member and I were both experiencing it about a month ago. We compared info. on what eliquids both of us had been vaping, what foods we'd recently eaten, etc. right before vapor's tongue hit us. We discovered we'd both eaten foods with noticeable garlic in them. We each got it to go away and could taste things again, but I wanted to know for sure if it was the garlic. So the next week (after eating NO garlic at all for 6 days), I ordered a pizza with butter garlic crust for supper, and yep....it did it again! Had vapor's tongue that night and all the next day until about 5PM, despite brushing my teeth 3 times during that time.

    So it may be related to something you're eating, too, possibly.
     
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  11. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    Hm.. i could swear I've seen it listed on tfa's website. Interesting. Other than that, I have ate nothing with garlic. Accept for last night, I had a pizza with garlic on it.
     
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  12. Kenna

    Kenna Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 14, 2014
    Texas, USA
    That is good info to have! Thanks JV!

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  13. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
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    (Edited by IDJoel for size and content. Original source: Perfumer's Apprentice)
     
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  14. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    That, is very interesting. Thank you for the info. I Didn't know they were so detailed about it. I like that!
     
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  15. go_player

    go_player Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 2, 2012
    USA
    Well there are ingredients in it that share some structure with alcohols, like ethylvanillin. That might be what you are remembering. Also, I sometimes get some pretty noticeable alcohol-like notes in freshly mixed juices even when none of the flavors have actual alcohols in them. Steeping tends to take care of most of that.

    And yeah, what you eat and drink can definitely have a strong effect. I sometimes drink very hoppy beer, and even one is enough to render most juice pretty tasteless for a while.
     
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  16. halbgott

    halbgott Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 23, 2012
    Not sure if it was said but anything with ethyl maltol in it can cause it too. So much for me that food started to taste bland when I had juice with it added.
     
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  17. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    Me too! I have always been impressed with TFA's level of transparency; I wish more flavor manufacturers would follow their example. You can find a lot of info under their FAQ tab (near the bottom):
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  18. Andromendous

    Andromendous Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 12, 2014
    Oklahoma, USA
    Why thank you very much for pointing that out. I have lots of googling to do haha!
     
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  19. JD1

    JD1 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2010
    KY
    As others mentioned, it hard to say for sure and it can be a combination of things, but my money is your low ohm setup. Try .6 to .9 and way less wattage, and tighten down the air flow to see what that does for you.

    Some other suggestions I've seen in similar posts is to make sure you're staying hydrated. Drink a ton of water, then drink some more water. Also you might want to try adding some saline to your mixes. I've never tried that myself, but like I said I have seen it suggested. Good luck. :vapor:
     
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  20. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    I get vaper's tongue here and there. After a meal it sometimes fixes itself. I haven't decided if there's one food item that repairs taste buds better than others, but going without a meal will definitely extend vaper's tongue for a longer period.

    Biotine mouthwash has a positive effect on vaper's tongue. It's more expensive than the average mouthwash, but it only takes a spoonful to restore moisture to the mouth, so a small bottle lasts a long time when it's only used for vaper's tongue.
     
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