Why do some people hate steeping

[Daniel_c]

I have been reading that some people refuse to buy juice that requires steeping. Why is steeping such a big deal to some people, I really don't get it because that knocks out like 95 percent of vendors out there. I mean the way I see it is that if you buy custom made juice that it's always going to require steeping no matter what to evaporate some of the chemicals and to let the flavors blend.

 

[spaceballsrules]

Probably because the waiting is the hardest part...

 

[firephly]

I don't mind it if it doesn't require insane amounts of time, but I have had stuff from a couple of vendors that required literally a month and a half or more, and that was when I was new to vaping and super excited to get my order and then my vapemail came and I tried them all and wah wah wah.....no flavor and stuck with nothing to vape which is super frustrating.

 

[EL Pistoffo]

It's like someone buying a pack of cigs and then having to wait a month to smoke them. What the heck are you to do in the meantime, loose your mind?

If you've got enough juice that is ready to vape while your other stuff is steeping then your good but that's not always the case.

 

[firephly]

I really don't see the problem with offering pre-steeped juice once a company gets popular enough so it sells fast. Grizzly Vapes makes juice that's ready to go! I love that. I mean some vendors brag about their 'freshly made" juice, but we're not talking about freshly squeezed orange juice full of vitamins here, vape juice lasts up to a year with no flavor loss so what's the big deal about having it freshly made anyway.
It's not like it goes bad in a short time, it only gets better, usually anyway...

 

[vjc0628]

Its a pain when you are just getting started

even now when I get something new and exiting I don't want to wait

I would just rather wait for a great juice
then vape a good juice that don't need to steep

By now I have enough juice to steep by default
So its not to bad

But even in the beginning when I first seen the results of steeping
It was one of those thing even though I didn't want to
I wanted the results so I did it

 

[firephly]

Especially for a new vaper who needs instant gratification, that pre-steeped juice is what can keep you off cigs and save money which is a big reason I started vapng in the first place, so imagine my disappointment in spending money on stuff I couldn't vape. Led me to go back to buying cigs again at that time.
Luckily now I have found vendors whose stuff needs little or only a small amount of steeping.

 

[vaperature]

I don't know why you think it would knock out 95% of the vendors out there. I have used several vendors and the only one that gave me a juice that I was told to steep was a place called Mount Baker Vapor. The Vape Room was good straight out of the bottle, all six flavors I got. Halo, fantastic. Wicked, pretty good. Vape Dojo, pretty good juice, had a variety flavors for months and they all tasted the same from day one to the last day. Personally I think steeping is just a myth. Juice contains VG, PG, flavoring and nicotine. There's nothing there that would require it to sit for a few weeks before it tastes good, in my humble opinion. My own DIY flavors taste good the second after I make them. I'm just not a big believer in the whole steep mythology.

 

[lasttango]

Glad you asked ;-)

For me.. I'll steep a juice if it "needs" it - but not many do in my opinion… not more than a few days anyway.

…and I tend to like lighter flavors… So intensified steeped juice is sometimes too much for me.

Also, I tend to look at ejuice more like a perishable food item less than a fine wine

 

[Harlen]

When one pays a high price for juice one expects it to be good to go and at its best right now .
As a DIY man I don't mind steeping but my juice cost only .06 a ml to make not .50 to a buck a ml or more.
You don't buy a bag of tobacco and let it sit for a week till you can smoke it ?

 

[vjc0628]

Especially for a new vaper who needs instant gratification, that pre-steeped juice is what can keep you off cigs and save money which is a big reason I started vapng in the first place, so imagine my disappointment in spending money on stuff I couldn't vape. Let me to ggo back to buying cigs again at the time.

That was halo for me my 1st ejuice vendor
after that everything else needed at least some steep time
But if I ran low presteeped halo could be at my door in a few days

 

[firephly]

That was halo for me my 1st ejuice vendor
after that everything else needed at least some steep time
But if I ran low presteeped halo could be at my door in a few days

When I started out I just had some juice form the local headshop where I got my ecig and the juice was so bad, lol, so I researched and read and read and searched for deals and carefully selected some online vendors and waited and got a bunch of stuff that mostly had no flavor when it arrived! So unhappy! I coudn't understand why I wasn't experiencing that awesome flavor/mingling of flavors that was described. (high desert vapes and alice in vapeland were the ones I got). Now much later, the high desert vapes has finally developed flavor and so did alice in vapeland, but man it sure took a long time for that to happen and while i waited i ordered from other places while i sat in discouragement with high hopes.

Now I am sitting here with my first ahlusion order that has little flavor, waiting.

I'm just glad I found some places finally that make stuff I really love and can count on (grizzly vapes, free state vapor, dripeez, high brow vapor, some of vrigin vapor but not all, and goodlife vapor, darkest day have all been good to go with little or no waiting)
Nude Nicotine, alice in vapeland, and Nirvana have been great once i learned to place them in a box on a board on top of my radiator for a speed steep. I don't want to wait a month to see what it tastes like.
I just got some Halo, it is flavorful right away, but I'm not too sure about how much I like them though.

and people will say oh you need to get an RBA and build coils, etc. But for a new vaper that's just too much crap to learn right away sometimes when all they want is to enjoy themselves and be cig-free. The rest can come later.

there are certain brands that i would never recommend to a new vaper with a basic setup

 

[Daniel_c]

I don't know why you think it would knock out 95% of the vendors out there. I have used several vendors and the only one that gave me a juice that I was told to steep was a place called Mount Baker Vapor. The Vape Room was good straight out of the bottle, all six flavors I got. Halo, fantastic. Wicked, pretty good. Vape Dojo, pretty good juice, had a variety flavors for months and they all tasted the same from day one to the last day. Personally I think steeping is just a myth. Juice contains VG, PG, flavoring and nicotine. There's nothing there that would require it to sit for a few weeks before it tastes good, in my humble opinion. My own DIY flavors taste good the second after I make them. I'm just not a big believer in the whole steep mythology.

Well if it's a myth then why do tons of people say to do it and a lot of vendors make the juice for you right before it's shipped out so it's obvious that some time is going to be needed before it's good. Obviously there are some vendors where it might not be required but for the most part the custom ones will need it, that's what I think anyway

 

[Kropotkin]

If you want to vape juice right out of the mailbox, and you can't taste the difference, then go for it, by all means. Nobody's going to try and stop you.

You can eat raw pancake mix if you want to. You can put filet mignon in the microwave. Nobody cares. Really!

 

[firephly]

If you want to vape juice right out of the mailbox, and you can't taste the difference, then go for it, by all means. Nobody's going to try and stop you.

You can eat raw pancake mix if you want to. You can put filet mignon in the microwave. Nobody cares. Really!

There's plenty of vendors who have great, quality juice and even make their own flavor extractions from the actually fruit, etc, that tastes great right away.

 

[SnowDog]

It'a all about patience, which I have very little of. I don't mind buying liquids that require steeping. If I already have some on hand and I'm just stocking up then it doesn't matter much. It's when I buy a liquid that I've never tried before. I want to sample it right then and there and if I like it I won't wait for it to steep even if the general consensus is that steeping will improve it. If I don't like it then steeping probably isn't going to change my mind. At least that has been my experience so far.

For example, I just received a 15ml bottle of Alice In Vapeland's White Rabbit today. I'm vaping it right now and it's the first time I've ever tried it. I've read several comments on the forum that it needs to steep for about a month. It ain't gonna happen. I like it too much just the way it is. It can get better if it wants to but I won't be waiting around for it to happen. I'm guessing this 15ml bottle will be long gone by this time next week.

I don't hesitate to buy liquids that are freshly made and require steeping because I will vape them right away anyway. I don't consider steeping time when I make a purchase. I might very well be missing out but it sure doesn't feel like it.

I can't help thinking that the "taste is subjective" concept applies to steeping just as much as it applies to flavors. I honestly believe that some people cannot taste the difference that steeping makes. I've come to the conclusion that I'm one of those people.

I do agree that while it's the buyers choice, refusing to buy freshly made liquids narrows down the choices substantially. Personally, I would rather vape a liquid that isn't quite at it's best than miss out on it altogether.

 

[ambientech]

I don't know why you think it would knock out 95% of the vendors out there. I have used several vendors and the only one that gave me a juice that I was told to steep was a place called Mount Baker Vapor. The Vape Room was good straight out of the bottle, all six flavors I got. Halo, fantastic. Wicked, pretty good. Vape Dojo, pretty good juice, had a variety flavors for months and they all tasted the same from day one to the last day. Personally I think steeping is just a myth. Juice contains VG, PG, flavoring and nicotine. There's nothing there that would require it to sit for a few weeks before it tastes good, in my humble opinion. My own DIY flavors taste good the second after I make them. I'm just not a big believer in the whole steep mythology.

I assure you steeping is real for some but not all juice. Some vendors pre-steep certain juices because if they sent them out fresh nobody would buy them. NLV Bounty Hunter is one of them. I was unlucky once and somehow got a fresh 120ml jug from them. It was almost clear and tasted like poison. I swore that they shipped me a jug of 100mg ml nicotine with no flavoring or poison. A month later it magically turned dark red and transformed into Bounty Hunter.

 

[amoret]

Steeping also creates financial problems when you're just starting out. It makes it so you have to buy juice for immediate needs and for future needs all at once when you're already investing in equipment. It takes a while to stock up to the point where you can have juice just sitting there for future use.

 

[firephly]

Steeping also creates financial problems when you're just starting out. It makes it so you have to buy juice for immediate needs and for future needs all at once when you're already investing in equipment. It takes a while to stock up to the point where you can have juice just sitting there for future use.

^ yes, so true. It's a lot more satisfying to feel like you are at least saving money compared to smoking, and getting a satisfying flavor, especially for a new vaper, or an old one

 

[Rickajho]

I really don't see the problem with offering pre-steeped juice once a company gets popular enough so it sells fast. Grizzly Vapes makes juice that's ready to go! I love that. I mean some vendors brag about their 'freshly made" juice, but we're not talking about freshly squeezed orange juice full of vitamins here, vape juice lasts up to a year with no flavor loss so what's the big deal about having it freshly made anyway.
It's not like it goes bad in a short time, it only gets better, usually anyway...

You don't see the problem? Ok, here's a problem for you:

Take a vendor that offers 80 different flavors, in 5 different PG/VG ratios, at 6 different nic levels for each of those flavors in each of those PG/VG ratios, and has to keep at least 500 of each on hand to meet any potential demand for pre-steeped liquids. (And keep track of exactly which ones have been steeping for how long. But I digress.) Now pull out your calculator, do the math, and find the answer to the inventory problem.

ETA: Oh, forgot - you have to factor for how many different size bottles the vendor is carrying. In the case of a place like Mt. Baker multiply the result you get from the above times four.