Why does the boge "808D" carto suck so much and what's with priming?

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of the 10 boge cartos i got i gave 4 away. i actually got a moderate amount of use out of 5 of the 6. after those 5 got clogged i tried to clean them by forcing hot water through them with a turkey baster; they were all either too clogged to draw on or would not create enough vapor to be of use. the filler was so tightly packed that i could not get a needle down the side of any of them more than a quarter of an inch.

the one with the burnt taste still had a good draw and vapor but i could not get rid of the burnt taste. I pulled out filler, it was so tightly packed i could not remove it without ripping out the wire. there was a hugh black, burnt hole around one side of the filler in the middle.

then i removed the filler from an old SI mega carto. i had stopped using it because it had an airy draw and not much vapor. i has stopped buying the mega size for that reason. i'm thinking that the loose filler that works great on the standard SI cartos is not nearly as effective as it is with the standard cartos. the filler came out easily and was saturated with old juice. there was no burnt filler. the rest of the carto remained intact and i was even able to use it effectively for dripping at 4.0 volts on my twist.

a few weeks ago i got a 5 pack of SI cartos. after a good amount of use one stopped working well but i was able to use it by turning up the voltage. i eventually burned out the atty (after a year of buying SI cartos only a few burned out, but that was mostly before i extended their use by cranking up the volts on my twist. i cleaned another one and it doesn't work well on my standard batts but works well on my twist. another is only producing moderate vapor, i haven't cleaned it yet. the other 2 are still vaping like champs after at least 40 refills.

CONCLUSION: The boge's vertical coil in the middle of the overly packed filler is a bad design. if you pay more than 50 cents a piece for these then you have been ripped off. the smokeless image design of a bottom horizontal coil with loose filler is a vastly superior design, although it does not work nealy as well on the mega size. a used boge carto is worthless. I'm glad i kept my old SI cartos, i'll be using them for dripping.
 

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I recommend SI or kanger cartos over V4L. V4L is vertical coil design is IMO is not as good as horizontal coil

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I did get a box of kangers yesterday. l love the look of the white carto with my small white Volt batt. my first fill was with a very dark, very thick coffee hazelnut liquid which should be a good test. so far, still vaping well after several fills with that and with ry4 flavors.
 

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I knew about the Boge issues, so I only bought one to try out. It clogged in a day and a half and I tried everything to get it to work. What I found was if I used a tweezers and gently tugged on the filler it squeezed out the fluid that pooled at the bottom of the cart and fixed the extremely tight draw. so I vaped the cart for another day before the same thing happened again and the same fix worked. I threw it in the trash and went back to the Smok dual coil catos and haven't looked back since.
 

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after a week of using the kanger bottom coil cartos i would say that the quality is comparable to smokeless image cartos. the first one that i put the thick dark coffee in did not do well but is functional after a vodka flush. another one was used just for ry4 and i have re-filled it about 15 times and it is still doing well.
 

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Since I last read your post Ive been using boge 808/302d, and everywhere that Ive seen them, even when labeled as just 808, they are 2.0 ohm. They do seem to be sold interchangably everywhere Ive seen so far, but it seems your failed to have the low res label on it. The kangers as you know do absorb better, and I find that the boges take longer to absorb and any high vg juice is MUCH harder. But I do like the 2.0 ohm for certain batteries. I do believe smokless image uses kanger and you can find those in 2.8ohm and 2.4-2.6 (2.5).
Try the condom method, fill the carto condom with juice and push the carto down a bit at a time until its all the way down and absorbed then add juice to the top until it can take no more, just needs time to fully absorb. Vg needs lots of priming aka absorbing/waiting... I use mostly pg juice so I dont have to wait too long.
 

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FOLLOW UP: Kanger does make cartos for 510 connection, here's a vendor that sells them 5 for $6.99 and ships it free!! http://www.vaporbeast.com/product_p/c37.htm On the same page you can see a short video review of the kanger 510 video in which the reviewer swears off boge cartos for good.

I know i started talking about cartos for the 808 but i also have some ego-c twists so i plan to try the the kanger 510 cartos


Edit: I just ordered a box
 
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How do you do that? I would suspect, to remove the filler, punch a hole, wash it thoroughly, and drip juice through the hole?

just revove filler,clean if u like, no hole punching, drip down inside wall like a carto, not thru airtube. i've only done it with one or two because i have 510 attys i use for dripping. i think u may dislodge the aaty if u try to remove the airtube but i suppose you might be able to snap it off.
 

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So then you vape without the plug? Since I vape without any known poisons, that would be doable. I think I will get a small bottle of vodka or everclear for washing them-- would like to get rid of some of the burn and other flavors. A bit of alcohol in my vape might be interesting.

Yeah, you can vape without the plug!
 

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So then you vape without the plug? Since I vape without any known poisons, that would be doable. I think I will get a small bottle of vodka or everclear for washing them-- would like to get rid of some of the burn and other flavors. A bit of alcohol in my vape might be interesting.

vodka or even distilled water makes a good rinse, just blow it out and let it sit for 24 hours to dry.
 

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you may be able distinguish bottom coil cartos from others by performance. the only sure way if you don't know the brand is to dissect the carto. With a bottom coil carto the filler material can be removed easily and you will see no wire or coil. I had a much harder time removing the filler material from a boge carto because it was packed more tightly but mostly because there is a wire attached to the bottom running up alongside the air tube with a wrapped coil. i had to break the wire to do it. the boge i dissected had a large burn hole in the filler around the coil which no doubt was the cause of the unavoidable burnt taste.

This construction is why i greatly prefer the kanger or SI carto to other cartos. While i may get some burnt taste when the carto is very low on liquid, it does not get a permanent burnt taste caused by actually burning the filler, which can occur much more easily when the coil is suspended vertically in the middle of the carto and there is not an ample amount of liquid in the carto. I suppose this could be mitigated by keeping the carto on it's side, assuming you knew which side of the carto the coil was on. With a bottom coil carto the usual position of the carto, bottom end down, keeps the liquid close to the coil. the filler shouldn't burn if it is wet. you can get a 5 pack of 808 kanger cartos for $8 at good prophets or, with discount code SIVOLT50, about $7.50 at Smokeless Image. You can get kanger 510 cartos for $7 with free shipping at Vapor Beast
 
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