Why Is It Legal To Sell Cigarettes That is Murdering 5.4 Million People A Year?
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C'mon guys...its not about my business here.....were all here to support the e-cigs....united we stand..devided we fall.
but heres one report for now...as soon as i get a chance ill scan in my lab tests that my developer sent me....Make sure you read all 22 pages before commenting back...theres some interesting stuff in there.....Hope all is well and ill talk to you guys later on.
take care.
"Findings.
LINK TO FULL REPORT
http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf
but heres one report for now...as soon as i get a chance ill scan in my lab tests that my developer sent me....Make sure you read all 22 pages before commenting back...theres some interesting stuff in there.....Hope all is well and ill talk to you guys later on.
take care.
"Findings.
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Ruyan[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]® [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]e-cigarette is designed to be a safe alternative to smoking. The various test results confirm this is the case. It is very safe relative to cigarettes, and also safe in absolute terms on all measurements we have applied. Using micro-electronics it vaporizes, separately for each puff, very small quantities of [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]nicotine [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]dissolved in [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]propylene glycol[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman], two small well-known molecules with excellent safety profiles, – into a fine aerosol. Each puff contains one third to one half the nicotine in a tobacco cigarette’s puff. The cartridge liquid is tobacco-free and no combustion occurs"[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]
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LINK TO FULL REPORT
http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf
Do you sell Ruyan products?
Have a look at this statement from the World Health Organisation:
http://www.e-cigtest.com/showpost.php?p=2165&postcount=3
"... the generation of theoretically adequate safety data by one manufacture is not tantamount to validation of all electronic nicotine delivery devices...."
Have a look at this statement from the World Health Organisation:
http://www.e-cigtest.com/showpost.php?p=2165&postcount=3
"... the generation of theoretically adequate safety data by one manufacture is not tantamount to validation of all electronic nicotine delivery devices...."
heres a more direct link to the world health organization
WHO | Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims
"WHO does not discount the possibility that the electronic cigarette could be useful as a smoking cessation aid. The only way to know is to test"
and thats what ruyan did. And the results are in and there good. But i do see where your coming from about individuals having to do their own testing. What I would personally like to see is a standardized FDA regulated e-juice that is compatible with different companys e-cigs. Assuring safety to the public. Now, remember were all on the same side here .we believe in this product and so far nothing bad has been proved against it, only good. But as for cigarettes, they have been proved deadly for the last 50 + years.
WHO | Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims
"WHO does not discount the possibility that the electronic cigarette could be useful as a smoking cessation aid. The only way to know is to test"
and thats what ruyan did. And the results are in and there good. But i do see where your coming from about individuals having to do their own testing. What I would personally like to see is a standardized FDA regulated e-juice that is compatible with different companys e-cigs. Assuring safety to the public. Now, remember were all on the same side here .we believe in this product and so far nothing bad has been proved against it, only good. But as for cigarettes, they have been proved deadly for the last 50 + years.
Nope...doesnt bother me.....I actually found it very funny....I liked the one where its near the rover controls better 
Here we go...
Hahahahaha This my very first post, been reading for the last week or so... but I just could'nt resist commenting on Cage's little smiley that eats popocorn... too funny... hehehehe
for the rest of the post... well no comments! I'll comment on that stuff when I'm more educated.. ;-)
cheers
for the rest of the post... well no comments! I'll comment on that stuff when I'm more educated.. ;-)
cheers
One potential problem would be say ok, the juice is now fda approved, but at what temperatrue. One deivce cooks at say 350 degrees, but another is say 400. Well at 350 its ok, but at 400 the PG causes instant death.(ok exagerated just using as an example). In order to fda approve the juice, the devices individually would need to be approved, or fall with certain specifications.
Oh feck! Where do ya start with this feckin idiot??!!
Feckin waste of time I tell ya....
Feckin waste of time I tell ya....
You're right NoBrainer, the only way to prove anything with credibility is to have scientifically rigorous tests ... lots of them ... for each product, formula and ingredient.
Since we're quoting WHO, how about this one "... These products have proliferated with a broad range of claims and in a vacuum of information to guide regulators, policy-makers, and consumers. As a result, the WHO TFI, as Secretariat of the WHO Study Group on Tobacco Product Regulation, felt it necessary to charge the Study Group to deliberate on this public health concern..."
Given the 'public health concern' of untested and unregulated products, how do you justify selling them as safe to president Obama?
What will you do if he tries your untested product and gets lung disease?
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I've not seen research results that prove NRT effectiveness from Ruyan, they haven't done that study yet have they?
Since we're quoting WHO, how about this one "... These products have proliferated with a broad range of claims and in a vacuum of information to guide regulators, policy-makers, and consumers. As a result, the WHO TFI, as Secretariat of the WHO Study Group on Tobacco Product Regulation, felt it necessary to charge the Study Group to deliberate on this public health concern..."
Given the 'public health concern' of untested and unregulated products, how do you justify selling them as safe to president Obama?
What will you do if he tries your untested product and gets lung disease?
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I've not seen research results that prove NRT effectiveness from Ruyan, they haven't done that study yet have they?
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Selling cigarettes != murder.
That's like saying "If you sell someone a kitchen knife and they go home and stab themself in the jugular, you're guilty of murder".
Smoking is SUICIDE, not murder.
/debate
That's like saying "If you sell someone a kitchen knife and they go home and stab themself in the jugular, you're guilty of murder".
Smoking is SUICIDE, not murder.
/debate
This is correct (at least here in the U.S.). For a person / company to brand a device as "safe", they're taking on a lot of liability. Misleading someone into thinking they're doing something harmless when you have no proof of said claim is grounds for a wrongful death suit, at the very least.
People have to be careful what they claim.
The tobacco companies learned that a while ago when they started losing lawsuits. They go out of their way to say that smoking is dangerous now.
Never mind 'safe' esmoking, maybe in a few years dangers will be discovered in the way they were with tobacco ... through deaths and health disasters.
If a commercial claim is made then the courts will hold the person making them responsible, especially when they make the claim to make money.
Never mind 'safe' esmoking, maybe in a few years dangers will be discovered in the way they were with tobacco ... through deaths and health disasters.
If a commercial claim is made then the courts will hold the person making them responsible, especially when they make the claim to make money.
Nope...doesnt bother me.....I actually found it very funny....I liked the one where its near the rover controls better
My question wasn't directed at you, Jon, nor was intended to bother you. It's simply a heads up to the other members as to your identity.
Personally I feel you had your 15 minutes.
You've clearly demonstrated your intentions to seek your fortune at all costs. The choice between money and other people's freedoms is indeed a "no brainer" to you.
As much as I believe in these devices, I fear you, or someone like you, will put a quick end to them because your pursuit of the almighty dollar blinds you to all reason or intelligent discussion.
It's a simple equation... you choose profit over people, and I hate that.
Just my 2 cents... I apologize if this makes anyone uncomfortable, but I've had enough of this guy. End of rant.
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