Why is the Spinner/Twist Ego VV Tank Combo the most recommended starter kit in this forum?

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spinners or even regular ego stick batteries are good. they are the most complete and cheapest way to go and still get a good vape. also almost every one has one starting out and can help you out. the link you have is actually a good kit price for what you get. i paid almost $100 for couple 1000mah twists and couple clearomizers from a B&M. there are some super cheap kits from fast tech but the shipping is slow and they have a gazillion different ego kits of unknown quality.
 

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I have 2 1100mah batteries don't know were they came from a friend gave them to me. smoke tech brand. I use with cleromizers. my batteries are about 1 year old and still work fine. I have a provari on the way in the mail with a jtank and a z-atty. can't wait to get them. but my ego batteries have never giving me a problem since day 1. I use the disposable cleromizers.
 

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Newbies typically don't want to spend a whole lot for their first kit, and for good reason, they don't know if vaping is going to work for them. The Twist or Spinner offer a relatively low introductory price, good battery life, and enough functionality to get a person started in the right direction. Once they decide it's going to work for them, they can either stay with their tried and true setup, or move on to something more advanced if they think it'll improve their vaping experience. If so the Twist/Spinner setup will still be there as a reliable backup rig.
 

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Versatility, ease of use, and reliability for most of the people who use them, and who still have them even as they've moved on to higher end devices. Every veteran has an eGo in their closet, just in case… ;) Variable Voltage and 510/eGo threading makes them very versatile. A new vaper can get good performance over the widest range of attachments, and still have room to grow. Longer battery life avoids the frustration many new vapers have with stick batteries and being caught in an endless cycle of recharging, recharging, and recharging. The Vivi Novas and Kangers are very easy to use, clean, and refill. They hold enough e-liquid to last most of the day, unlike cartomizers. And unlike pre-filled cartomizers you can buy your e-liquid separately, at less cost, and with enough variety to find your favorite vape.
 

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Like has already been stated, ego batteries are a part of many vapors arsenal, I have a 1300 mah Vision Spinner that I use as a take along device, normally paired with 3.5 ml Viva Nova. It has enough charge and the Vivi Nova holds enough juice to keep me going in all my normal daily travels.

Ego's have earned their spot in the vaping world, the Twist/Spinner is a great way for beginners to experiment with VV also. Some of us who didn't start with a kit like that wish we did. Just gotta love those egos, VV makes them even better, I think I will always have a Spinner or Twist in my vaping arsenal.
 

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An ego type battery is realistically the smallest size battery that will work as an all-day device.
Most people start with an ego (once they have advanced from/been disappointed by a ciggy-like).
Some people like disposables but most people who inquire are looking to advance from them.
The reason for the recommendation of a variable voltage ego is to tailor the output to the juice delivery system. I'm fairly certain that everyone has been in the situation where the output has been underwhelming.
I really wish i had discovered ECF before i had spent hundreds on rubbish systems.
I use my Provari's mainly now but my standard ego batteries with a low resistance evod are still satisfying in a pinch.
 

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From reading hundreds of posts in this forum, the Spinner/Twist Ego VV Tank Combo seems to be the most recommended starter kit.

Why? What specifically makes it better?

Spinner/Twist Ego VV Tank Combo starter kit link:
http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_Spinner_Joye_Ego_C_Twist_Combo_p/vvs-c.htm

What's a better starter kit for newbies? Also, please include links.


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There are many better kits than the twist/spinner. It gets recommended so often because that is all many people have ever used so they have no point of comparison.

They are definitely better than cigalike models. But what those who recommend them never tell you is that the batteries are way over-priced, at $25+ for a new battery. That they have the weakest amp switch on the market at only 2.5 amps which will limit what delivery system you can use with them. That the batteries have a short life span in comparison to many other model PV's. And that VW model PV is closer to "set & forget" than a VV PV, such as the twist/spinner.

If you want a "variable" power model PV, I would suggest looking at a VW - variable watt model PV with loose batteries over the twist/spinners. Instead of over-paying at $25+ for batteries, you will pay $11 for batteries that will last 2-3 times longer. But if you want a VW model that looks more like the spinner/twist, you could get the iTaste V3. Otherwise, I would suggest the Vamo or Zmax.

http://www.innokin.com/itaste-vv-express-kit.html

http://www.exhalevapors.com/VAMO_Variable_Volt_Watt_APV_V2_Mod_Ecig_p/6001.htm?1=1&CartID=0

Good Luck
 
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I love the iTaste V3 and they did replace my ego's as backup, stealth, out and about, and sometime, primary batteries. They are way more expensive than the spinner/twists, though, and since you always need a backup, you're talking about a much higher starting budget. Saying there are better and more expensive starter solution is a non-sequitur. Can one spend more and get more? Of course. The reason people recommend the kit you describe is that it has everything you need to beat the Smoking Monster...neither under powered or over powered. Skipping the cigalikes and jumping to stick batteries has been shown, time and time again, to be way more effective than the cigalike very short term solution, one I see here 30 - 50 times every day. Here's my take, with links, on Stick Batteries:

Stick Batteries, known as eGo Style Batteries (entry level, backup, out and about, stealth, primary):

Trusted Vendors shown, but NOT selected based on pricing, you'll still need to shop around. You will need device specific battery chargers (which often come in kits) for these devices. Also, kits often provide two batteries allowing for simultaneous vaping while charging of the backup. Each of the eGo style batteries below have both 510 and eGo thread connections. As such, they are compatible with most toppers, including most Kanger products. Additionally, each of these devices has at least variable voltage, which allows you to adjust and regulate the battery output voltage, providing customizable vapor production, temperature, throat hit, and finding the "sweet spot" for your juices to suit your individual vaping preferences:

1. Innokin iTaste 3.0 vv/vw, usb passthrough, ohms reader, etc. - https://ivape.net/index.php/iTaste-VV-3.0-Variable-Wattage-Device-Pearl-Chrome.html (variable power, LCD display, +/- buttons, Usb passthrough, 3.3 - 5.0 volts, 6.0 - 11.0 watts, 800mAh)
2. SLB KGO VV - http://www.hoosierecig.com/Mega-KGO-VV-1200mAh-3-6v-_p_441.html (LCD display, +/- buttons, Usb passthrough, 3.0 - 6.0 volts, 650 - 1200mAh)
3. Vision Spinner - Vision Spinner VV eGo Battery 1300mAh (3.3 - 4.8 volts, 1300mAh)
4. Joyetech Twist - eGo Twist 1000 Mah Battery in Black (3.2 - 4.8 volts, 650 - 1000mAh)
5. Smoktech Winder - Smok eGo Winder 900mAh Variable Volt Battery (3.2 - 4.8 volts, 900 - 1100mAh)

Best Starter Combo kit out there, imho, provides two batteries, i.e., the twist and/or spinner, and two toppers, i.e., the eVod and/or MT3s, among others: http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_Spinner_Joye_Ego_C_Twist_Combo_p/vvs-c.htm.

Recommend one eVod and one MT3s topper with one Spinner and one Twist to start. This way you get four different products with the kit and allowing you to experience four different setups, as you figure out your preferences and what works best for you. BTW, you can spend less and get a fixed voltage battery, but you'll have much less vape flexibility and it won't be long before you'll want to upgrade to variable voltage, more than likely, and the difference initially is only a few dollars per battery anyway.

Great post and question, btw. Congrats on quitting, welcome to the Forum, Power Up and Vape On!
 
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Today is my 2nd full day of vaping after 15+ years of smoking a pack/day. I, like so many others, opted for the ego twist batts, and a mini vivi nova tank. I've also got a protank in the vape mail. Yesterday I was able to get through a whole day on one battery (1000 mAh) and have found the sweet spot on voltage output with the 2.4 ohm head in the nova. I tried one of those blu e-cigs a friend had and it sucked. I'm using this as a smoking alternative and find it to be completely satisfactory. Will I ever upgrade? Maybe, but I'm cool with this gear.
 

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This is a very excellent beginner step into vaping kit for many reasons. Starting with it comes with everything a new vaper excluding juice to get them started at a relatively inexpensive price. This particular kit can be tailored to the individual by colors, size of battery base, and models, it offers a flexible complete system. But it is also one that alllows a wide range of experimentation to allow a new user a glimpse of what Variable Voltage can do, as well as refurbishable tanks in both Bottom Coil type and Top Coil type. If suggesting this in person as I carry a pair of Joyetech Ego Twist 650mahs and my SLB Ego-V Mega v2 1200mah with me as they are my backups to my much more advanced Innokin SVD I can explain things in more detail. The configuration of this kit without being in person can go a couple of ways I would suggest, one of the Ego Twist 1000mah and Vision Spinner 1300mah, 2 of the Ego Twist 1000mah or 2 of the Vision Spinner 1300mah. Basic rule of Milli-Amp Hour rating of a battery or "mah" for every 100mah rating = approximately 1 hour of usage for moderate usage at a basic voltage, example basic Ego battery outputs about 3.3 volts, so these Twists and Spinners, when you go up in voltage 100mah might give 1/2 hour usage at highest setting, 3/4 hour usage at medium setting of about 4.0-4.2 volts, so the higher your "mah" bought, longer the battery can go between recharges, and 2 batteries are a minimum to keep vaping without interuption. I also personally carry both top and bottom coil clearos, but again without being in person showing someone the strengths and weaknesses, I would suggest getting one of each type with this kit as once this kit is bought the first major expense is already overcome, basic refurbishable clearos like these are relatively inexpensive at 3-4 USD to 10-15 USD (USD = US Dollar) and can be planned on more being purchased as backups. As far as these tanks offered in this kit I seriously wished instead of the CE4 Stardust clone or iClear16 offered one of the top coils offered in the kit were Vision Vivi Nova Minis or Standard Vision Vivi Nova to match the tank capacity of the T3's offered in the kit instead of the cheap 1.6 mil iClear16 and CE4. However, 1 of the T3/MT3/Evods I would suggest as one of the attachments, then the iClear16 over the CE4 Stardust they call "Vision Ego Clearomizer Version 2.0", its just the Version 2.0 CE4, meaning it is refurbishable compare to the version 1.0 was use until dead, toss, buy another. The T3/MT3 being suggested is because of capacity, full top off my, now, T3s's (upgrade to the basic T3/MT3, still same tank as the T3/MT3, only the base is now like the Evod/Protank, replaceable head of instead replacing the whole base/head assembly the T3/MT3 use, the T3s/MT3s head screws down into the base assembly) shows 3.0 mil capacity when fully filled, twice the capacity of the Evod/CE4/iClear which are all about 1.6 mils juice, longer usage between refills ;) , thus why I state wish the kit offered a Regular Vision Vivi Nova which has a 3.5 mil capacity. Now getting one of each of the T3/MT3/Evod tanks and one of the CE4/iClear16 tanks gives a new user the broadest view of what they will like, Voltage, tank type to get all their sweet spots in vaping touched. These spots are coil placement, cooler bottom coil to warmer top coil, though both coil reach same temperature, closer the coil is to your mouth, less time vapor has to cool, I prefer bottom coil on my variable devices and top coils on my set/regulated devices, ie my 1000mah Ego-T passthroughs and 510 cig-alikes as example. Also, 1 of each different type of attachment, shows the strengths and weaknesses of each coil placement, top coils great flavor and warmth though you are constantly having to tilt them up or twirl them to keep the wicks wet, to the bottom coils strengths of they rarely get dry as they are constantly immersed in liquid (angle independent) great cooler vape but have the downside of they will gurgle and potential seep onto the battery connector when they get down to about 1/3 capacity left and they build up condensation faster than a top coil. Getting a glimpse of how these 2 types of attachments perform, if they like the bottom coil T3/MT3/Evod or the top coil CE4/iClear, points them in the direction of what they need to purchase later for replacement heads, and couple more tanks of that type and where to look at for the latest greatest tank that is such and such coil everyone that likes such and such coil placement is talking about. With the Variable Voltage option right out of the gate, this kit offers dialing in their flavor, throat hit, and vapor production per what liquid they are using, along with fine tune the battery to the ohm rating of the tank coil, higher ohm coil, needs a nudge up in voltage to reach the same temp in wattage on the coil that a lower ohm coil would reach at a lower voltage, example I like my coils at around 2.0-2.5 ohms and like the temp to reach around 8 watts on my tobacco and RY4 flavors and about 6.5 to 7 watts on my fruit flavors, 2.0ohm at 8 watts is 4 volts to 2.5ohms at 8 watts is about 4.5 volts, 2.0ohms at 6.5 watts is 3.6 volts, 2.5 ohms at 7 watts is about 4.2 volts, a basic Ego battery at a set/regulated 3.3 volts, you have to look at changing the ohms of a tank constantly to keep consistent, where with a variable volt/variable wattage battery or base is easier to tailor and tune in with just a twist of a dial or couple pushes of a button. So with this kit tailored to user preferrence of battery size, color, type, as well as tanks type and colors, the last thing the new user has to look at is experimentation of what liquids they will purchase to vape with which is again subjective to the user, fruity, deserts, tobaccos, menthols and mints, drink flavors, what could be suggested liquid wise is depending on length of time user has smoked or used tobacco, as well as amount, can be pretty much guessed what nicotine level to start at. Half pack a day user of say Camel lights for 10 years, possibly nic content of liquid 1.2% per volume (12mg per milli-liter), 3/4 pack a day to full pack a day user of Newports for 20 years, a menthol or mint flavor with a nic content of 1.8% per volume (18mg per milli-liter), and I couldn't suggest what liquid type right out the gate as everyone's taste is different, what sets my bells off as the shizzle could to another user be utterly puke-eriffic, and only trial and error on the individual user's part can narrow this down. Vendors can be suggested, and another suggestion, get samplers of different flavors from a vendor as these samples can be anywhere from 3mils to 10mils in size. Here, from my perspective lies the strengths of this particular kit based upon price, and components it offers in a basic, entry level kit. I seen listed above someone posted a link to the Innokin iTaste V3, there for its price is probably one of the best units to get started with, again in my opinion as it offers one other thing the first kit doesn't offer, Variable Wattage or Variable Power, which even more fine tunes taste, and biggest advantage it is set and forget compared to variable voltage is manual set per attachment, VW/VP slap the attachment on, device reads the coil resistance, automatically adjusts the voltage needed. Hope I explained some things with a little more clarity.

GL on your road to being analog and smoke free =)
 

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Newbies typically don't want to spend a whole lot for their first kit, and for good reason, they don't know if vaping is going to work for them. The Twist or Spinner offer a relatively low introductory price, good battery life, and enough functionality to get a person started in the right direction. Once they decide it's going to work for them, they can either stay with their tried and true setup, or move on to something more advanced if they think it'll improve their vaping experience. If so the Twist/Spinner setup will still be there as a reliable backup rig.

Exactly these reasons - cskent hit the nail on the head.

Sure, some new vapers might be better off with some other kit, maybe they want a cig-a-like, maybe they are ready for an APV like a Vamo or even a mech...(maybe not) but the spinners tick almost all of the boxes and fulfills most of the needs a new vaper has (some they may not even know yet, like variable voltage) and all in an easy to use / easy to charge inexpensive package.

I got that exact kit from myvaporstore - the day I received it is the day I quit smoking.
 

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From reading hundreds of posts in this forum, the Spinner/Twist Ego VV Tank Combo seems to be the most recommended starter kit.

Why? What specifically makes it better?

Spinner/Twist Ego VV Tank Combo starter kit link:
http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_... Lesson learned..and I do love the ego, btw.
 

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Also ; Most beginners laugh out loud when they see the size of a Vamo/Lava tube etc for the first time !
Also ; Most beginners do not want the hassle of buying batteries, a mod, a charger, a delivery device and juice from different vendors (the best way to get VFM)
Also ; No-one wants to scare off a beginner by making vaping too complicated.
Also ; Ego stylee are pocket friendly (er).
Also ; They make good devices for passing on if someone decides to upgrade.
IMO :blink:
 
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