Why no user upgradable firmware?

[ENAUD]

On a serious note, I wonder how many P3's Provape has sold outside the US? I can imagine not being able to update it yourself has been a deciding factor to not buy it for people in other parts of the world. I don't think there are a lot of overseas dealers with a ProVari programmer and sending it to Provape just to have it updated will simply be too expensive if you don't live in the US.

On this note, Provape did make the P3 available to their dealers first, and allows them to support the device by allowing them to do upgrades. So finding a dealer in the EU would at least save from shipping it back across the pond. I have no idea how many dealers overseas stock Provape products, but the ones that do at least have the option available to them. This is way better than another mod that caught my interest, but that company wouldn't even ship to the US at that time.

It seems to be an issue that you take personally, which has been reflected by the venom in some of your posts. Sometimes in life, things are the way they are, and that is that. It's been fun reading though, thanks.

 

[sonicdsl]

 

[Lemwise]

On this note, Provape did make the P3 available to their dealers first, and allows them to support the device by allowing them to do upgrades.

But you're forgetting dealers have to buy the programmer. Provape doesn't provide it free of charge.

I can confirm just one

But you're on the same continent. That makes it cheaper to ship it to Provape if there's no local dealer to carry out the upgrade.

A salient point. I'm guessing overseas sales were not a large part of their business plan with this model. Not our budget, not our problem.

Yet you claim with the P3 Provape targets 90% of vapers who use it primarily as a means to quit smoking. How can they be targeting such a large number of people if their primary market is the US market. Doesn't make sense, does it? Or are only Americans who want to quit smoking important and the rest can die of lung cancer?

 

[WillyZee]

These guys are everywhere ... something like 650 dealers in 60 countries.

 

[ENAUD]

But you're forgetting dealers have to buy the programmer. Provape doesn't provide it free of charge.

I'm not forgetting, it's not a valid point. Dealers sell things to make a profit. Manufacturers sell things to make a profit. They have a right to do so, and have a right to conduct their business as they see fit. If that upsets anyone, they don't have to buy it. The customer or potential customer can cry all they want. It won't change the fact that the Manufacturer can do as they please.

 

[Lemwise]

I'm not forgetting, it's not a valid point.

It is a valid point. You see, Provape says its mission is to help people quit smoking. Something like the money saved counter introduced in the latest update can be a very big incentive for people who just started using the P3 to give up smoking altogether. However, Provape charges for the programmer and in turn dealers have to charge the customer to make up for it. This can have the result that people aren't getting their P3's updated which means they aren't getting the most out of it. This is completely contrary to what Provape says they want to achieve.

 

[ENAUD]

It is a valid point. You see, Provape says its mission is to help people quit smoking. Something like the money saved counter introduced in the latest update can be a very big incentive for people who just started using the P3 to give up smoking altogether. However, Provape charges for the programmer and in turn dealers have to charge the customer to make up for it. This can have the result that people aren't getting their P3's updated which means they aren't getting the most out of it. This is completely contrary to what Provape says they want to achieve.

Nonesense, utter nonsense. Not even related to why doesn't Provape allow the user to do their own updates, just some circular ill-logic trying to make a pointless point.

 

[ENAUD]

 

[WillyZee]

Lem ... the average smoker doesn't need an updated P3 to quit smoking

a P2 or P2.5 will get the job done

 

[DPLongo22]

Even Sonic's getting dizzy. And probably impatient (for good reason).

We can safely conclude two things:

1. Lem's not getting a P3.
2. Nobody cares.

Moving on. We must do a better job with our next Dead ProVape thread. This one was a sad, sad failure.

(sigh)

 

[DPLongo22]

Lem ... the average smoker doesn't need an updated P3 to quit smoking

a P2 or P2.5 will get the job done

Willy The Wise One speaks truth again. I've often credited basically two things for my success sticking with vaping :

1. Eric Gormly (Discount Vapers)
2. Provari (v2, three plus years ago)

So, at the risk of being redundant, I repeat:
Firmware, schmirmware.

 

[Lemwise]

Not even related to why doesn't Provape allow the user to do their own updates.

Of course it's related. I just pointed out that by not allowing the customer to update the device they could very well be acting against their mission statement. What if the money saved counter could convince a large number of dual users to give up smoking completely but they can't afford the update.

 

[DPLongo22]

 

[ENAUD]

Straws blowing in the breeze, quick, grab a few

 

[WillyZee]

Willy The Wise One speaks truth again. I've often credited basically two things for my success sticking with vaping :

1. Eric Gormly (Discount Vapers)
2. Provari (v2, three plus years ago)

So, at the risk of being redundant, I repeat:
Firmware, schmirmware.

I hear ya DP ... the P2 is such an amazing device, it is the same vape as the P3, just without boost.

ProVape created the perfect PV with the P2 ... and they built it so tough, you really never have to buy another vape ever.

 

[DPLongo22]

I hear ya DP ... the P2 is such an amazing device, it is the same vape as the P3, just without boost.

ProVape created the perfect PV with the P2 ... and they built it so tough, you really never have to buy another vape ever.

I've sold a few, but a few of my first batch are still here and going strong. Daily use.

 

[AstroTurf]

One of my latest aqs...

Jim

 

[DPLongo22]

One of my latest aqs...

Jim

Proviwood?

 

[AstroTurf]

More like Prolly Wood!!!

 

[DPLongo22]

Ba-DUMP-bump.

Lolz, Dave.