I am just curious as to why some suppliers charge twice as much as other suppliers for the same stuff . I have compared several items like batteries and juice . most of the hardware is the same that i have compared. as far as the juice the stuff i get half priced tastes just as good if not better than the higher priced stuff that seems to come from the same lab anyway.
why so expensive ?
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They are just marking them up alot higher as far as hardware goes. Maybe due to a middle man or just plain old greed. Some vendors use Pure US made usp grade VG and PG which costs more to use. Usually they are not too far off what the cheaper companies charge. I had a bad experience with one of the low cost juice makers stuff. It tasted fine but was destroying my hardware. I am now pretty picky about what i put in my pipe. Not all juice is created equal.
Because they can get it. Something is worth what someone will pay for it.
This community is the closest thing to market regulation in the e-cig industry. Most people buy without doing research and there is no commonly known market value.
So, some places charge extortionate prices because they know people will pay for it out of ignorance.
This community is the closest thing to market regulation in the e-cig industry. Most people buy without doing research and there is no commonly known market value.
So, some places charge extortionate prices because they know people will pay for it out of ignorance.
You'd have to contact each vendor in question to find out why and how they set up their business model the way they to. The safest and most accurate answer without knowing more details would probably be location. You can order direct from China and get the best prices anywhere. EastMall is a popular vendor if you want to go that route. Shipping is a little higher but for larger orders it can save some major bucks.
If you're getting juice that you like just as well at 1/2 price of some other juice then more power to you, keep it up, you've found your nitch. Probably the biggest difference in pricing on average is the China pre-mixed and bottled juices like Dekang which some love and some hate in comparison to juices that are mixed after the order is placed and give the customer a wide variation of customizable options.
If you're getting juice that you like just as well at 1/2 price of some other juice then more power to you, keep it up, you've found your nitch. Probably the biggest difference in pricing on average is the China pre-mixed and bottled juices like Dekang which some love and some hate in comparison to juices that are mixed after the order is placed and give the customer a wide variation of customizable options.
Just to be clear on a couple of things, it pays to do what you've done, and that's shop. China does not always have the lowest prices. If you need equipment, make sure you check the forum suppliers page, as you can get a sale price and save a bundle over even Chinese prices, with the bonus of not paying the $17 shipping or waiting the two weeks for it.
Also, just to clarify this point, too, places are charging high prices for juice because they can. Inexpensive juice does not mean Chinese made. One of the best bargains for juice is Vapor Renu at $7 for 30 mL, a USA made juice. Greed runs amok in the juice industry as much as the hardware one, and I suspect some of them prey on fear to convince you their 30 mL is worth $20 (do some DIY shopping, it's not).
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This is America, and "greed is good." varying prices and quality isn't unique to ecigs. In our capitalist society, it pays to shop around. If some business can make a killing selling at a higher profit margin, then more power to them. It's the American way!
Here's another tip:
Once you find the juice or hardware you want to buy, google the name of the company + 'coupon code' because you can almost always get a discount if you look for one. This is true of anything you buy online.
Once you find the juice or hardware you want to buy, google the name of the company + 'coupon code' because you can almost always get a discount if you look for one. This is true of anything you buy online.
I think the biggest mistake (an sales pitch) beginners fall for is that they will instantly start saving tons of money. Honestly, don't look at it as instant savings, in fact, look at it as instant expenses but the payoff.....best investment you'll ever make!
Juice is a weird one. I love Halo, I wait for the great sales and stock up. I think average cost is 25 per 30ml, the packaging and whatnot is much more professional than most but also, it is unique in flavor. Once you find one or two flavors you really like, it isn't that expensive. I had a cupboard full of various juice, most very reasonable in price that I just plain dislike. As a beginner, it takes a while to find your comfort zone.
Hardware. I started out with zigcigs 510 kits. Much more expensive, however, I went right to the vendor, was shown first hand how to use it and all my questions were asked. From there out, I caught on enough to not be to lost when I found ECF, which for a beginner is kind of overwhelming. Sure, over the months, I bought a different basic device, spent money and time on various filler mods. Then really laid out a chunk of change when I found what really worked for me. Eight months in, learning curves long over and now my costs are seventeen dollars a month for a 30ml that will pretty much last me four weeks and 7.99 for a five pack of cartos that will also last me all month if not almost two months.
Factor in all my health improvements and that I am not spending 30 bucks a week on cigs, I have no regrets, even on some of the stuff I bought that I found to be useless to me. It's only been the last month or so that haven't spent money. Prior to that but after my big initial money investments on finding perfect pv and accessories I allowed myself at first 100% of what I spent in cigs, then after a few months 50% of what I spent in cigs, I am now down to spending 25% less than I did on cigs. Now if I stop looking back what I spent, yeah, I might break even for the year once I get to that point, but look what I'll get as a return on investment if I compare it to being a smoker. The money I'll save over the next ten/twenty years because I am not buying cigs and the extra ten or more years I gave myself back in life by quitting!
Juice is a weird one. I love Halo, I wait for the great sales and stock up. I think average cost is 25 per 30ml, the packaging and whatnot is much more professional than most but also, it is unique in flavor. Once you find one or two flavors you really like, it isn't that expensive. I had a cupboard full of various juice, most very reasonable in price that I just plain dislike. As a beginner, it takes a while to find your comfort zone.
Hardware. I started out with zigcigs 510 kits. Much more expensive, however, I went right to the vendor, was shown first hand how to use it and all my questions were asked. From there out, I caught on enough to not be to lost when I found ECF, which for a beginner is kind of overwhelming. Sure, over the months, I bought a different basic device, spent money and time on various filler mods. Then really laid out a chunk of change when I found what really worked for me. Eight months in, learning curves long over and now my costs are seventeen dollars a month for a 30ml that will pretty much last me four weeks and 7.99 for a five pack of cartos that will also last me all month if not almost two months.
Factor in all my health improvements and that I am not spending 30 bucks a week on cigs, I have no regrets, even on some of the stuff I bought that I found to be useless to me. It's only been the last month or so that haven't spent money. Prior to that but after my big initial money investments on finding perfect pv and accessories I allowed myself at first 100% of what I spent in cigs, then after a few months 50% of what I spent in cigs, I am now down to spending 25% less than I did on cigs. Now if I stop looking back what I spent, yeah, I might break even for the year once I get to that point, but look what I'll get as a return on investment if I compare it to being a smoker. The money I'll save over the next ten/twenty years because I am not buying cigs and the extra ten or more years I gave myself back in life by quitting!
I wanted to add, I spent alot of money on 'deals' Find what really works and a few vendors you like working with and even if they are a fuzz higher in price, it still pays off. Spend some time on the vendor forums here. If they make it to ECF where they have their own subforum, you can be pretty dang sure they are fair and reputable. The bad ones don't make it here and if they get bad over time, they don't last. There is a whole section on vendor reviews too. Very helpful.
I have gotten some higher priced e-cig and some cheap e-cigs. Be careful, sometimes the cheap e-cigs are just that cheap.
Non sequitur, ma'am.
Most of us that have been around for awhile are cognizant of the market rates as you point out but then you dispel that notion in your next sentence.
Honestly, I think *we* are a nightmare to e-cig vendors because we do SO much research and have access to the same sources that they do. We know from a simple Google search nearly how much a vendor is going to pay, say, Ali Baba if he/she is willing to make a 200 unit purchase of, say, 510 kits.
If we choose to make non-Chinese purchases it doesn't take very long to click around and see who the "good guys" are. Like: Electronic-ash, Litecig, Good Prophets, Cignot, Pure Smoker, etc.
I think anyone that has found this forum or those like it, are very much aware of what they should pay for e-cig related equipment. In the case of the OP, he will SOON be aware of what the going rates *should be* as well -- because he is already asking the right questions. It's the folks that hear these radio advertisements (and kiosk impulse buys) for some $200 mini that need to be educated.
Companies will always charge what they can get away with, and every now and then you won't be able to avoid it and you'll spend more than you needed you, I know I do! That's where Rosa's suggestion is great, use coupon codes and shave a little off from every purchase and you should make up what you occasionally over spend!
exactly! think of where you were when you started. If I hadn't had a friend help me I would have paid upwards of 200 for my kit + juice. just shows tha tsome vendors take advantage of people's ignorance or situations.............
When she says "this community" I think she is probably talking about those who have found these forums.
And when she says "most people" I think she is talking about all of those out there that have not found these forums.
There are some sellers that choose to have a high mark-up. It might be because they have a physical store that they have to keep up and a lot of employees. It might be that they are using companies like the mall carts or an outfit like Green Smoke to compete with and are using those prices as a guideline for themselves.
Then there are others that keep their mark-ups low and rely upon volume.
I investigated importing ecigs in from China. I found a distributor of Joye, Riva, 801s, 901s etc and the prices are phenomenal. The freight does get high but if you average it out between items, it can still be an extremely profitable business without having to gouge customers. This is especially true for those who don't have a physical storefront and are working out of their homes.
(BTW..I am not talking about the Chinese suppliers here at ECF, but the people who supply them..lots cheaper)
The big problem though is exposure to sell. Yes, ECF appears to be a huge marketplace but most of the suppliers here aren't getting anywhere the advertising time that ie Blucigs, Green Smokes gets on the Internet. The cost of advertising is built into those companies' prices.
I cannot state enough how much I appreciate companies that make this incredible technology affordable, so that more and more, there will be less and less smokers and more and more vapers.
Then there are others that keep their mark-ups low and rely upon volume.
I investigated importing ecigs in from China. I found a distributor of Joye, Riva, 801s, 901s etc and the prices are phenomenal. The freight does get high but if you average it out between items, it can still be an extremely profitable business without having to gouge customers. This is especially true for those who don't have a physical storefront and are working out of their homes.
(BTW..I am not talking about the Chinese suppliers here at ECF, but the people who supply them..lots cheaper)
The big problem though is exposure to sell. Yes, ECF appears to be a huge marketplace but most of the suppliers here aren't getting anywhere the advertising time that ie Blucigs, Green Smokes gets on the Internet. The cost of advertising is built into those companies' prices.
I cannot state enough how much I appreciate companies that make this incredible technology affordable, so that more and more, there will be less and less smokers and more and more vapers.
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Then, THAT would make sense. Thanks for the clarification, DC. Apologies to Mistress for mis-reading...
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