Wick and Coil Curiosity

[aktionze]

Hello there!!!

I have been using a mechanical mod and AGA-t+ for over a year. For wick, I use 28 kanthal wire and I use ss mesh for wick.

Now I am wondering what people use for coil and what ohm does one prefer on a mechanical mod?

Also, I was wondering if I could run a micro coil with cotton wick on a mechanical mod. If I could, how is the vape and what type of kanthal wire and how many wraps should I run?

I don't own a ohm meter and I have been wrapping 4/5 and just I have been sticking with it ever since.

I am sorry for so many questions, but I would be appreciated if anyone could give some inputs.

Thank you again.

 

[State O' Flux]

You really should have a DMM if you use a mech and rebuildable atty. Being able to check battery voltage, mech continuity and troubleshooting... and of course knowing the resistance of your build are all "good to know" checks you can conduct with a DMM.

Moving on... the question of running a mc/cotton on a mech is an odd one, as you don't say what atty... the AGA-T? Yes, you can run any coil you want as long as the build it right for the atty type, and the battery will support it. By that I mean, you need a high drain battery if you go deep into sub-ohm territory.

Here's a coil spreadsheet, made by "ancient puffer", to help you with your resistance values... but when you can, please get a DMM, and be safe.

 

[Phone Guy]

If you have a harbor freight store, they have a meter on sale for $2.99 this week...and its digital!

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[Phone Guy]

@State, man you're on fire tonight! That coil spread sheet is exactly what I've been looking for! ! ! I was actually going to ask for something exactly like that! awesome thank you

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[edyle]

Hello there!!!

I have been using a mechanical mod and AGA-t+ for over a year. For wick, I use 28 kanthal wire and I use ss mesh for wick.

Now I am wondering what people use for coil and what ohm does one prefer on a mechanical mod?

Also, I was wondering if I could run a micro coil with cotton wick on a mechanical mod. If I could, how is the vape and what type of kanthal wire and how many wraps should I run?

I don't own a ohm meter and I have been wrapping 4/5 and just I have been sticking with it ever since.

I am sorry for so many questions, but I would be appreciated if anyone could give some inputs.

Thank you again.

PLEASE get a cheap multimeter. Try radio shack or whatever electronics gadgets places are around. You will be able to check the ohms on the coils and you could also check the volts on the battery

 

[State O' Flux]

@State, man you're on fire tonight! That coil spread sheet is exactly what I've been looking for! ! ! I was actually going to ask for something exactly like that! awesome thank you

Just passing along the efforts of others. "ancient puffer" did it... then redid it to make it easier to understand, so all the props go to him for first effort and desire-to-be-better second effort.

I think it's the first really extensive, spreadsheet type list there is, or at least that I've seen. I don't really fool around with wire thinner than 30ga, and I kinda wish it went thicker than 26, but not too many people go there... it can be real dangerous, real fast.

Anyway... off track. Yeah, it's a great spreadsheet.

Watch yer' ... with them almost free DMMs... they make better door stops than meters.

 

[aktionze]

You really should have a DMM if you use a mech and rebuildable atty. Being able to check battery voltage, mech continuity and troubleshooting... and of course knowing the resistance of your build are all "good to know" checks you can conduct with a DMM.

Moving on... the question of running a mc/cotton on a mech is an odd one, as you don't say what atty... the AGA-T? Yes, you can run any coil you want as long as the build it right for the atty type, and the battery will support it. By that I mean, you need a high drain battery if you go deep into sub-ohm territory.

Here's a coil spreadsheet, made by "ancient puffer", to help you with your resistance values... but when you can, please get a DMM, and be safe.

Thank you for the chart and your comment!!!
It seems that getting a multimeter is a good idea since everyone suggests to get one

My current setup is 18350 AW IMR battery, mechanical mod, and AGA-T+. I have been using the same coil and wraps and ss mesh. I have been satisfied with the vape, but I was wondering there are other builds I can do and take one step up of my vaping experience (flavor mostly, not really a cloud chaser)

 

[State O' Flux]

Thank you for the chart and your comment!!!
It seems that getting a multimeter is a good idea since everyone suggests to get one

My current setup is 18350 AW IMR battery, mechanical mod, and AGA-T+. I have been using the same coil and wraps and ss mesh. I have been satisfied with the vape, but I was wondering there are other builds I can do and take one step up of my vaping experience (flavor mostly, not really a cloud chaser)

It's all just a balancing act between a particular juice, coil surface area, resistance and battery required to safely run that resistance at peak performance.

I say "just"... as though it's easy or something - actually, it takes a good bit of experimentation to get it to suit your needs, my needs... and all our various, unique to us, needs.

"28ga kanthal - 4/5 wrap"... doesn't mean much without the ID, but I'll take a guess at a 3/32" ID - and I'm guessing it's not a compressed coil but rather a conventional one with gaps between individual coils... so, that'd be around 0.8Ω~0.9Ω.
If you run your numbers of 0.8Ω and 4.2v in an Ohms calculator, you can see that you'd be pushing a bit over 5 amps.

Here's a AW IMR 18350 (arguably, the best 18350 battery there is) battery load test conducted at Super T. Gives you an idea of how a good 18350 will perform.

Knowledge is a good thing... and no such thing as too much of a good thing.

 

[aktionze]

This is so interesting! I love this kind of stuff!!! You are absolutely right that each person has his or her own taste and only way to find out what you satisfies you is you do it yourself. However, I really enjoy talking in the vaping community and I wanted to see how other people do it. In that way, I would learn and in the discussion, someone like me would learn too.

Sorry for babbling, but what are you saying? hahhaha I am really new at "technical" stuff...

Okay I drilled out my aga-T+ so that it has a 1/8 wick hole. I wrapped 28 ga kanthal 4/5 with gaps on ss mesh.

Have I been doing it pretty good? If I have been pushing 5 amps, did I set it up well and vaping it safely? I am not sure what "amps" mean for vaping... Also, can someone recommend a different or better setup?

 

[edyle]

This is so interesting! I love this kind of stuff!!! You are absolutely right that each person has his or her own taste and only way to find out what you satisfies you is you do it yourself. However, I really enjoy talking in the vaping community and I wanted to see how other people do it. In that way, I would learn and in the discussion, someone like me would learn too.

Sorry for babbling, but what are you saying? hahhaha I am really new at "technical" stuff...

Okay I drilled out my aga-T+ so that it has a 1/8 wick hole. I wrapped 28 ga kanthal 4/5 with gaps on ss mesh.

Have I been doing it pretty good? If I have been pushing 5 amps, did I set it up well and vaping it safely? I am not sure what "amps" mean for vaping... Also, can someone recommend a different or better setup?

did you burn the mesh .

to use the mesh as a wick you dont want it to conduct electricity so people first burn it to oxidise the mesh; then test it with a meter to make sure it is not conducting.


when you wrap the coil on the mesh, if the mesh is conducting it will short out the coil.

An 'amp' is an amount of electric current. A 100 watt light bulb burns about an amp of current. An electric kettle would easily use 10 amps.

 

[JmanEspresso]

The AW IMR 18350, from my research, has a continuous amp limit of 6amps. Ive heard conflicting reports that its 8amps. I play it safe and choose to believe its 6amps. Now, the burst rate limit will be higher, but that just means for momentary events, it could handle a bit more. FOr all intents and purposes, you are concerned with the continuous amp limit of a battery.

For quick reference
AW IMR 18350, 6amps
AW IMR 18490, 10amps
AW IMR 18650(2000mah version), 10amps
AW IMR 18650(1600mah version), 24amps

MNKE IMR 18650, 25amps, 60-80amp burst

SONY VTC3 and VTC4(1600mah and 2000mah), 30amps

Anway, as you can see, even the little 18350 battery can do "subohm", meaning below 1ohm. However, if you plan to go any lower than .8ohms, you need something bigger. If you plan to go lower than .5ohm, you need something bigger still. And if you're gonna play in the ultra low region of .1-.3, you need one of the best. OR, you could just always use one of the high amp batteries regardless, and never worry about it.

"Im not sure what amps means for vaping"
-Amps are amps. No different with vaping than it is with ANY other application of electrical power. Im not the best at explaining it, but, there is resistance in the coil, there is volts in the battery, the combination of those two will draw X amount of amps from the battery, and you want to make sure the amp draw of your coil is not higher than the battery can handle.
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On all my genesis hybrids and atomizers, a 4-5wrap of 28gauge is pretty much my go to. That will yield somewhere between .6 and .8ohms, depending on how thick the wick is, and how much angle you put on the coil/space between the coils. .6ohms for an 18350 is just outside its range. Try to get that coil to .8ohms for an 18350 battery, or use a bigger battery. Now, is one amp over the limit going to instantly kill you? No, probably not. But thats not how we do things here. Do it safe, do it right, or dont do it at all.

So, couple things you should always rely on for safety:
-the right battery.
-a way to check your ohms
-an ohms law calculator

You dont HAVE to have a multimeter, you can also get an ohm reader. I recently grabbed This One, which is pretty nifty, because you can also check the voltage your mod is putting out. but it doesnt have to be that one, these are starting to be much easier to find than they were recently, so look around.

and for an ohms law calculator.. you can download an app on your smartphone(theres a ton of ohms law apps on apple and andriod), or, go This one

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[MamaTried]

You really should have a DMM if you use a mech and rebuildable atty. Being able to check battery voltage, mech continuity and troubleshooting... and of course knowing the resistance of your build are all "good to know" checks you can conduct with a DMM.

Moving on... the question of running a mc/cotton on a mech is an odd one, as you don't say what atty... the AGA-T? Yes, you can run any coil you want as long as the build it right for the atty type, and the battery will support it. By that I mean, you need a high drain battery if you go deep into sub-ohm territory.

Here's a coil spreadsheet, made by "ancient puffer", to help you with your resistance values... but when you can, please get a DMM, and be safe.

Ancient Puffer periodically updates the spreadsheet. i don't know enough about google docs to always get the current version, so i bookmark the link :
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...o-coils-ohms-description-15.html#post11417089

 

[Ksprings]

AWESome!! Pracally pwnnnz

 

[aktionze]

Very informative!!! Now, I understand more about vaping safely. I am glad I watched videos on YouTube before playing around with necessary equipment like ohm meter and multimeter. People were wrapping 4/5 so I just went that way. I didn't even think about how much amp a battery can handle and other safety guidelines.

I am just curious. So do people go lower and lower because it gives more flavor and vapor production?

Then, what is the difference between doing subohm with 3.7 battery on a mechanical mod and doing microcoil (1.0+ ohm) with high voltage? They should give off almost same wattage, but different taste?

 

[edyle]

Very informative!!! Now, I understand more about vaping safely. I am glad I watched videos on YouTube before playing around with necessary equipment like ohm meter and multimeter. People were wrapping 4/5 so I just went that way. I didn't even think about how much amp a battery can handle and other safety guidelines.

I am just curious. So do people go lower and lower because it gives more flavor and vapor production?

Then, what is the difference between doing subohm with 3.7 battery on a mechanical mod and doing microcoil (1.0+ ohm) with high voltage? They should give off almost same wattage, but different taste?

I suppose people use lower ohms to get higher power.
But the lower ohms you go, the more of a short circuit you are making.


The alternative is to use higher voltage;