Wicking frustration. Help me not hate cotton, please.

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Well the device you're using can also be a factor.

In my kayfuns I use a slightly thicker wick, but it's a different story in the Squape or Expromizer. The Squape needs as little cotton as possible to avoid flooding, and the Expromizer needs thin wicks but tons of cotton on the deck to avoid flooding and spitting.

In my Patriot I need thicker wicks, but also use substantially bigger coils compared to say my Helios.

"Less is more" isn't a rule for everything, but when in doubt, it's best to start with less and build up to more. ;)
Good point my friend and I suppose every device has its sweet spot but in all my particular drippers and tanks, if i use to little, there are dry hit issues.
 

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Well the device you're using can also be a factor.

In my kayfuns I use a slightly thicker wick, but it's a different story in the Squape or Expromizer. The Squape needs as little cotton as possible to avoid flooding, and the Expromizer needs thin wicks but tons of cotton on the deck to avoid flooding and spitting.

In my Patriot I need thicker wicks, but also use substantially bigger coils compared to say my Helios.

"Less is more" isn't a rule for everything, but when in doubt, it's best to start with less and build up to more. ;)
Amen.
The biggest screw up I see builders make time and time again is too much wick (through the coil itself ).
It becomes counterproductive to the very problem they think they are avoiding
 

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Amen.
The biggest screw up I see builders make time and time again is too much wick (through the coil itself ).
It becomes counterproductive to the very problem they think they are avoiding
Totally the opposite for me, I spend a lot of time here and constantly here about dry hit issues no matter the device. Most will have dry hit issues and think they are using to much so they keep using less and less and issues get worse and worse. I can't tell you how many times I hear" in the end I used more and my dry hits stopped".
 

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Totally the opposite for me, I spend a lot of time here and constantly here about dry hit issues no matter the device. Most will have dry hit issues and think they are using to much so they keep using less and less and issues get worse and worse. I can't tell you how many times I hear" in the end I used more and my dry hits stopped".

When I first started rebuilding I can't even tell you the amount of videos I watched about how to install wicks, I tried to learn as much as I could. A lot of the these videos show too much wick or wick rolled up so tight that it is messing with the integrity of the fibers. The majority of the videos I'm talking about are kayfun rebuild videos.

I feel it's important for builders to look at a device in terms of build space and functionality. Copying others doesn't work everytime.
 

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When I first started rebuilding I can't even tell you the amount of videos I watched about how to install wicks, I tried to learn as much as I could. A lot of the these videos show too much wick or wick rolled up so tight that it is messing with the integrity of the fibers. The majority of the videos I'm talking about are kayfun rebuild videos.

I feel it's important for builders to look at a device in terms of build space and functionality. Copying others doesn't work everytime.
I also see it all over the place, some to little, some to much. As you know it really needs to be just right, for to much will produce a muted, cottony flavor and to little will produce dry hits. Now here on the forums, I hear more of dry hit issues then muted, cottony flavor issues and for the most part that is caused by insufficient amounts in coil. Also as you know rayon is gaining popularity more and more and I can see why, for it is really a great wick. One reason why I personally like it is the extra time I get between rewicks, for if wicked correctly, it doesn't gunk as quickly as cotton. It also slightly edges cotton in vapor, wicking, and flavor imo. One thing with rayon however, is you cannot under wick it, and it needs full contact with the coil unless you will encounter dry hit. rayon doesn't swell when wet so it is different then cotton in that regard, but how I look at it is this, I install my cotton wicks anticipating a swell, and that swell vision thickness is how I wick my rayon dry. In the end, after saturation, both should be in full contact with coil, without it being to tight where juice is not being absorbed properly.
 

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I also see it all over the place, some to little, some to much. As you know it really needs to be just right, for to much will produce a muted, cottony flavor and to little will produce dry hits. Now here on the forums, I hear more of dry hit issues then muted, cottony flavor issues and for the most part that is caused by insufficient amounts in coil. Also as you know rayon is gaining popularity more and more and I can see why, for it is really a great wick. One reason why I personally like it is the extra time I get between rewicks, for if wicked correctly, it doesn't gunk as quickly as cotton. It also slightly edges cotton in vapor, wicking, and flavor imo. One thing with rayon however, is you cannot under wick it, and it needs full contact with the coil unless you will encounter dry hit. rayon doesn't swell when wet so it is different then cotton in that regard, but how I look at it is this, I install my cotton wicks anticipating a swell, and that swell vision thickness is how I wick my rayon dry. In the end, after saturation, both should be in full contact with coil, without it being to tight where juice is not being absorbed properly.

I've been saturating my rayon before installation and it helps me out a great deal in figuring how much wick I should use. Like you said, it does not swell up like cotton, it actually contracts a bit.
 

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Well the device you're using can also be a factor.

In my kayfuns I use a slightly thicker wick, but it's a different story in the Squape or Expromizer. The Squape needs as little cotton as possible to avoid flooding, and the Expromizer needs thin wicks but tons of cotton on the deck to avoid flooding and spitting.

In my Patriot I need thicker wicks, but also use substantially bigger coils compared to say my Helios.

"Less is more" isn't a rule for everything, but when in doubt, it's best to start with less and build up to more. ;)
Been thinking about what you said about certain devices working differently with different amounts of wick, this seems true with wick tail amounts and density but unlikely in actual coil amounts and one shouldn't confuse the two. yes my wick tail configurations do change from device to device, but my actual coil amounts are always the same in all
 
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