wicking question please help!!!!

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What kind of atty is it? Hard to know what's going on, without that info. And what is the PG/VG ratio of the ejuice?

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I am using a smoktech caterpillar on top of a smoktech extender and the juice is 80 vg and 20 pg but this happens on all my juices including 60/40 vg/pg, 50/50 vg/pg, and my 100% vg juice
 

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You might try rayon, rather than cotton; cotton is extremely finicky and it's VERY easy to get too much, even if it doesn't seem like too much. Rayon actually wicks a great deal better, and with rayon, you WANT to have a lot, because it doesn't swell when it's soaked, it compresses. Check out the rayon thread, lotta folks in there with 50 lb boxes that will PIF you some if you ask them.

Also, you said you're using at least 50% VG in all your ejuices; that means it's all thick; you might try diluting it just slightly with either distilled water, or grain alcohol (high-proof vodka, everclear, etc). Apparently using alcohol will give a better throat hit, because it has a harsher taste. I use water and it works very well, and really doesn't affect the taste, though it might make the vapor just a bit thinner. Someone suggested to me, starting at 5% dilution, and see how that does, and if it's still too thick, add another 5%, etc. But any ejuice that's more than 40% VG is pretty thick, just because VG is so thick and gummy, and the higher the percentage of VG, the thicker it is and the less efficiently it can be wicked.

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EDIT: Also -- can you post a pic of your current build, with the wick in place? "Too much" and "too little" are really hard to figure out, without seeing it.
 
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You might try rayon, rather than cotton; cotton is extremely finicky and it's VERY easy to get too much, even if it doesn't seem like too much. Rayon actually wicks a great deal better, and with rayon, you WANT to have a lot, because it doesn't swell when it's soaked, it compresses. Check out the rayon thread, lotta folks in there with 50 lb boxes that will PIF you some if you ask them.

Also, you said you're using at least 50% VG in all your ejuices; that means it's all thick; you might try diluting it just slightly with either distilled water, or grain alcohol (high-proof vodka, everclear, etc). Apparently using alcohol will give a better throat hit, because it has a harsher taste. I use water and it works very well, and really doesn't affect the taste, though it might make the vapor just a bit thinner. Someone suggested to me, starting at 5% dilution, and see how that does, and if it's still too thick, add another 5%, etc. But any ejuice that's more than 40% VG is pretty thick, just because VG is so thick and gummy, and the higher the percentage of VG, the thicker it is and the less efficiently it can be wicked.

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Oh okay thanks I will try that and see how it works for me Abd ehh really about the juice? I was hoping to cloud chase a bit and go to 100% vg not the other way:( but I can try that for my current build Abd see how she works
 

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Ok had student take a picky pic of current build its a super nano coil 28 ga kenthal that was wrapped around another peice of 28 ga and ohmed at .3 ohms
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Oh okay thanks I will try that and see how it works for me Abd ehh really about the juice? I was hoping to cloud chase a bit and go to 100% vg not the other way:( but I can try that for my current build Abd see how she works

Hmm... well for cloud chasing, yeah, higher VG really is better, and also higher heat, if you have a variable mod. If you're in a mood for clouds, then the rayon is probably your best bet. But for just regular day-to-day vaping, just thinning the high-VG down by 5% won't make a huge difference in the cloud; I dilute my own high-VG juices by 20% or 25%, and there's still vapor, it's just thinner vapor -- which suits me fine. A 5% dilution wouldn't make a huge difference at all in the vapor produced, but it might thin it enough to help it wick better. 5% isn't much; if a ml is 20 drops, then 5% dilution is 1 drop water (or alcohol) to 19 drops ejuice -- 10% would be 2 drops, 18 drops ejuice.

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Ok had student take a picky pic of current build its a super nano coil 28 ga kenthal that was wrapped around another peice of 28 ga and ohmed at .3 ohms
lw3v7.jpg

Hmmm... you may not need that much wick, though truthfully I have zero experience with nano or sub-ohm builds. But when I first got my caterpillar, I was doing the wick as you have it there, just laying all over the little platform/reservoir, and it was pointed out to me that all I really needed were the 2 ends to be touching the platform/reservoir, so they could grab juice from it. I usually have only about .25 inch laying on that platform/reservoir, and it works very well.

Also, the smaller the diameter of the coil, the less well it will wick; for that reason, I always use at least 3/32 drillbit to wrap my coils on (like I said, no experience with nanos at all), and in my caterpillar, I think I actually use 7/64 for the diameter. Not saying that it's not possible, I'm sure a lot of cloud chasers do great with those tiny coils, but it might be something to consider, while you're trying to figure out the wicking situation -- the wicking really is the most challenging part, wrapping a coil is easy-peasy compared to knowing how much wick to use! :D

Here's my own caterpillar -- you see the coil is quite large, and very open, so it's cool enough to not produce so much vapor that it provokes an asthma attack, and obviously you don't have that concern. But it wicks great!

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here is the cloud it puts out 2 hits after a fresh juicing and that length of pull resulted in a dry hit

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edit: dont ask why its sideways cause idk

Well then I guess it's wicking so well, to put out that much vapor, that 3 hits is all you're going to get before you need to drip again. Which is why I really don't like drippers, just too dang much fiddling -- it's like, having to roll a new cigarette after 3 hits! I'd rather have a tank with 2-4 ml in it and not need to worry about refills for some hours, or even days. And especially if you're driving -- a tank would be much better, not having to worry about, is there juice in it? Do I need to drip again? Or if you're really set on the vape quality of a dripper, then a REO -- because you're driving!

Driving -- anything, but especially a huge truck that could flatten a car like a bug! -- and dripping just do not go together!

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Well then I guess it's wicking so well, to put out that much vapor, that 3 hits is all you're going to get before you need to drip again. Which is why I really don't like drippers, just too dang much fiddling -- it's like, having to roll a new cigarette after 3 hits! I'd rather have a tank with 2-4 ml in it and not need to worry about refills for some hours, or even days. And especially if you're driving -- a tank would be much better, not having to worry about, is there juice in it? Do I need to drip again? Or if you're really set on the vape quality of a dripper, then a REO -- because you're driving!

Driving -- anything, but especially a huge truck that could flatten a car like a bug! -- and dripping just do not go together!

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I think I NEED to clear the air here I DO NOT DRIP AND DRIVE!! because yes i do agree it is dangerous to do and not advisable I drip every other time i am not driving :)
 

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I think I NEED to clear the air here I DO NOT DRIP AND DRIVE!! because yes i do agree it is dangerous to do and not advisable I drip every other time i am not driving :)

Ahh that makes sense. Saw you driving in the video, just figured... :blush:

I was utterly terrified of those big-rigs, till we got a pickup truck with 20" tires. Now I'm just slightly intimidated. :D

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Ahh that makes sense. Saw you driving in the video, just figured... :blush:

I was utterly terrified of those big-rigs, till we got a pickup truck with 20" tires. Now I'm just slightly intimidated. :D

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Lol yeah I was parked in some under ground caves getting loaded with enough string cheese to never ever want to look at it again!!

And oh yeah? Well hey come drive my truck and you will feel like king of the road lol
 

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Lol yeah I was parked in some under ground caves getting loaded with enough string cheese to never ever want to look at it again!!

And oh yeah? Well hey come drive my truck and you will feel like king of the road lol

I couldn't even learn to drive a 4-speed car... think I'll stick with automatic transmissions. :D But yeah, in our truck, I feel like "Queen of the Highway"... being so high up has really worked well on my road anxiety (terror!). And, I know that even if I ever got hit, I probably wouldn't get hurt (unless it's by a big-rig!); the truck we had before this one, our son was driving it, and some idiot girl in a miata ran smack into the passenger door going about 60 mph... it caved in the door, but you could still open/close it, and the window rolled down, though not quite all the way. But the Miata? Totalled. :D

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