wicking technique for clouds
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build a .5ohm coil of your choosing, wick and vape...30w is like the bare minimum to blow anything of substance
Disagree.... 30 watts is more than enough. 1 ohm dual or 1.5 ohm single will do great.
The only advice I've got for you is based on the fact that you've got a Freakshow, actually get a bit of the wicking up onto the edges of the airflow, that will help direct your air intake up towards you coil and protect you as much as anything can from leaking due to over dripping. Got that little bit of wisdom from Trevor Jones, works like a charm.
Agree though, 30 Watts is plenty for clouds if you get the build right.
Enjoy!
Agree though, 30 Watts is plenty for clouds if you get the build right.
Enjoy!
I run a Subtank with a .7 ohm build and 22 watts blows quite respectable clouds. I run a 1 ohm coil on my magma and it does too. 30 watts will do the job. You don't have to run over 30 watts to get a good cloud unless you're building to .1-.2 ohms.
No, you've just never tried alternate ways of producing clouds.
How big of a cloud you can blow depends on two factors. The amount of airflow you have and the amount of liquid that can be converted to vapor in a given time span.
Notice that power is NOT a factor.
You can either run a lot of power through a tiny coil to make it really hot, or you can use a larger coil which provides a larger surface area to convert the liquid to vapor. Either one is capable of converting the same amount of liquid to vapor in the same amount of time. You'll get identical vapor production using either method.
I can fog a room as well as any subohmer, and do it with a 1.6ohm coil running at 25W. It's all a matter of airflow and the rate you can convert liquid to vapor.
Subohming only became popular because just a year ago VV/VW mods didn't provide enough power to heat larger coils enough to produce the huge clouds. They were all pretty much limited to 15W or less. The only way to produce the huge clouds a year ago was to use a mech mod and a subohm coil. Now with 30+W VV/VW mods you can produce the same clouds using higher ohm coils. Ironically, subohming didn't really become mainstream popular until just after it became irrelevant.
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I guess I will build a big ol dual 1 ohm today and run that on my sig150 and see if the results are what I'm used to...
All makes perfect sense to me, but is there a limit? Can I just go and build a massive coil the entire length of my wick? Would it even be able to wick? Surely there's a sweet spot to be found?
edit: and since we are limited by physical space for the coil / wick, power must come in to the equation at some point???
edit: and since we are limited by physical space for the coil / wick, power must come in to the equation at some point???
Yep - power and a lot of other things come into play. Here's an interesting read on the subject:
My thoughts about sub-ohm and latest VV/VW devices...
My thoughts about sub-ohm and latest VV/VW devices...
Power is a factor, but the power levels of subohming which often exceed 50W are not necessary. You don't need a .3 ohm coil running at 60 watts to make clouds.
And you'll find that the limit is often more airflow and chimney size than it is the size of your coils or power level. The more space for the vapor and the more air moving the vapor the more vapor you can produce. What a lot of people run into is a choke point where the amount of vapor already in the chimney prevents more vapor from being produced. That's why subohm tanks have big chimneys and really large air holes and why many RDAs have huge chambers that the coils sit in along with multiple air holes.
If you've got a large chimney or chamber and plenty of airflow then it's a just matter of finding the right balance between coil size and wicking. As long as you can feed juice to it fast enough then the size coil you make really doesn't matter. Usually larger diameter coils work better than longer coils because it's hard to get juice to the center of a long coil. You would be surprised to see how much vapor you can produce from a pair of large diameter 2.2ohm coils running together to create a single 1.1ohm build.
If you want to see the high ohm/high watt option in practice watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P52Hk-7t80
And he's only taking a 3-4 second draw. Just imagine what a 7-10 second lung hit would look like.
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Good read there, so I guess in my situation my sig150 with a 1.5ohm build will only put out like 7.5v at 33w which after some initial ramp up produces decent vapor. The plus side is juice lasts a whole lot longer lol
In my experiences (which could be only my experience), going for thinner wire - which will result in higher resistance - will allow me to step down the wattage while maintaining vapour production. Then again I mostly use RTAs and I'm not a cloud chaser.
While it wont win a " competition "
A whopping 20-25 ish watts .9 maybe .8 ohms single coil on a mech
Learning proper build techniques is more important than bruteforcing a coil with high wattage,
imagine this Atty at .4 dual coil
A whopping 20-25 ish watts .9 maybe .8 ohms single coil on a mech
Learning proper build techniques is more important than bruteforcing a coil with high wattage,
imagine this Atty at .4 dual coil
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With wicking it does change per atty. But, with most drippers you want just enough cotton to barely touch the juice well and you're good to go. Good luck man!
Agreed. If you have too much wick, it will block the airflow, and as previously stated, more airflow means more vapot production.
Coil surface area also greatly effects how much vapor your setup will produce. I have a 22 gauge 1/8" single macro coil measuring .4 ohms in an Atomic rda and it belches the vapor at 30W
While it wont win a " competition "
A whopping 20-25 ish watts .9 maybe .8 ohms single coil on a mech
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Learning proper build techniques is more important than bruteforcing a coil with high wattage,
imagine this Atty at .4 dual coil
Sorry for the quality. If you want I'll take a much better picture later when I'm at home, but this is the best my crappy camera will do while I sit in my office at work.
1.8ohm coil in an Aspire Nautilus at 19 watts. 50/50 blend peppermint juice with a 5 second draw. (Peppermint is hard to do straight lung hits with. Too much throat hit)
If I had an 80/20 blend unflavored juice so I could do a 10 second draw I guarantee you I would fog up an entire room in 2-3 puffs, no problem. Never underestimate the cloud producing capability of a high ohm/high watt setup. This is with a Nautilus, just imagine what I could do with a similar coil in a tank designed for straight lung hits.
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Is that directed at me somehow, why am I being quoted?.
I don't need to chase clouds bro. Except for a couple new members the only person you impressed today is you.
there's nothing " high wattage" about 19 watts, true and You can hide under the low watts banner saying that.
but don't think your fooling people with almost 7 volts output it is still brute forcing that little coil
I'm running a measily 3.8 probably - .2 under load.
People like what they like not trying to argue, decent clouds and cloud chasing are separate things. And ya don't need high power to enjoy vaping thick tasty clouds.
Obviously that is what you need to be happy, many people like me dont I also run 80/20 pg/vg so about 50% less vapor volume then your cloud juice , ( can't stand all that VG)
I don't need to chase clouds bro. Except for a couple new members the only person you impressed today is you.
there's nothing " high wattage" about 19 watts, true and You can hide under the low watts banner saying that.
but don't think your fooling people with almost 7 volts output it is still brute forcing that little coil
I'm running a measily 3.8 probably - .2 under load.
People like what they like not trying to argue, decent clouds and cloud chasing are separate things. And ya don't need high power to enjoy vaping thick tasty clouds.
Obviously that is what you need to be happy, many people like me dont I also run 80/20 pg/vg so about 50% less vapor volume then your cloud juice , ( can't stand all that VG)
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