Wisconsin Senator proposes bill to EXCLUDE e-cigarettes from indoor smoking ban!

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Senator Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend) has introduced a bill to clarify that e-cigarettes are not included in Wisconsin's statewide indoor smoking ban. He needs other legislators to co-sponsor this bill to get it to a vote. This is on an extremely tight deadline, so action needs to be taken NOW by Wisconsin residents!!

Wisconsin residents please go to CASAA's Call to Action page State of Wisconsin Call to Action and follow the instructions.

Once we get more co-sponsors, there will be another CTA to get vapers from all over to write in support of this bill - please stay tuned!
This could be an important bill that sets a precedent for other states and local governments to follow!!
 

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This is the letter I just sent to my Senator and Representative. (I used that link on the CTA page to find my legislators and it was super easy!) I attached this CASAA report: http://www.casaa.org/files/Ecigarettes_and_Smokefree_policies(1).pdf
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Dear Senator Holperin,

I am writing you to ask that you support the bill being introduced by Senator Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend) further clarifying that the statewide smoke-free indoor air law doesn't apply to smoke-free electronic cigarettes (ecigarettes.)

Wisconsin's smoke-free law was passed based upon accepted evidence that cigarette smoke poses a threat to the health of bystanders. As electronic cigarettes do not emit smoke, they pose none of the health risks imposed by secondhand smoke.

Although the current WI smoke-free workplace law doesn't ban the use of smoke-free electronic cigarettes, several organizations that oppose any usage of tobacco or nicotine have attempted to ban the use of e-cigarettes in other states by inaccurately claiming that using an e-cigarette is "smoking" and inaccurately claiming that the water vaper mist emitted by e-cigarettes is “smoke.” That is why Senator Grothman's bill further clarifies that the current WI smoke-free law doesn't ban the usage of e-cigarettes and why I encourage your support for this legislation.

I am 44 years old and had been a pack-a-day smoker for over 25 years. I have tried many times to quit, both cold turkey and using pharmaceutical nicotine cessation products. I've quit for months at a time, especially when I was pregnant, but I always started smoking again eventually. My husband was also a long-time smoker.

In July of 2009, we purchased electronic cigarettes. Even though we were not highly motivated to quit smoking, the birth of our youngest daughter and the new state smoking laws encouraged us to give them a try. We have now been smoke-free for over 2 1/2 years! I found immediately that I no longer wanted to smoke traditional cigarettes and quitting traditional cigarettes was extremely easy and painless. I introduced my brother, sister-in-law and mother-in-law to e-cigarettes and now they have all been smoke-free for 2 years. we all breathe better, no longer have "smoker's cough" and feel overall improved health and stamina. Unfortunately, e-cigarettes do not seem to appeal to younger adult smokers. My 20-year-old niece and her fiance found them to be too high maintenance and costly to start up and continue to smoke traditional cigarettes.

E-cigarettes are easily distinguishable from traditional cigarettes, as many models do not look like traditional cigarettes. My device is black, with no light at the tip and looks more like a pen light. There is no smoke, no ash, no embers, no offensive odor, no side stream smoke from the tip and no butts. The pleasant, non-tobacco flavors available were what helped me no longer crave traditional cigarettes. As with many other adult e-cigarette users, I use liquids flavored with coffee or fruit flavoring. I once tried a traditional cigarette after using the e-cigarette for a few months and it tasted especially foul - something that didn't happen before when quitting with traditional methods. I cannot imagine ever enjoying the taste of smoking again as long as I have my e-cigarette. The only side effect I have experienced is dry mouth, which is a common effect easily handled with drinking plenty of water. I truly believe these devices are the miracle smokers and non-smokers alike have been hoping for and millions of lives will be saved as smokers switch to this reduced harm alternative. I believe so strongly in them that it has made me an activist for the first time in my 44 years.

There is ample scientific evidence and scientific opinion (please see the attached report by the Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association), as well as the testimony of hundreds of thousands of real-world users, to support electronic cigarettes as reasonably safe and effective; and there has been no evidence showing e-cigarettes pose a public health risk for users, bystanders or youth.

Once again, please support Senator Grothman's bill to clarify that WI's smoke-free law doesn't ban the usage of smokefree e-cigarettes.

Sincerely,
Kristin Noll-Marsh
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I hope Wisconsin residents are contacting their district representatives! This is by no means passed!! The ANTZ are lobbying heavily against it and have already sent out letters and had their members fill out form letters telling legislators not to co-sponsor or support this bill. We need to let those legislators know that we are out here, that e-cigarettes work and don't bother or harm anyone and ask them to co-sponsor the bill. If he doesn't get enough co-sponsors, this bill is DEAD!

Wisconsin law currently doesn't include e-cigarettes, but one city health department (Appleton) is already known to be telling people that they ARE included and there is nothing to stop the ANTZ from doing what they are doing elsewhere - changing the definition of "smoking" to include e-cig use.

Let's be proactive, folks!! For once we are ahead of the game and this is a tremendous opportunity!!
 
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Here is basically how my letters went. I sent well over 100 of them last night.

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Dear,
Senator Galloway,

I support Senator Grothman's bill to specifically exempt electronic cigarettes from the state indoor smoking ban and ask that you do the same.

I quit smoking using an electronic cigarette on 11/3/2010 after 29 years of smoking.Smoking had made it very difficult for me to breathe, and I had tried to quit many times before without success. I currently have no ill effects from using the electronic cigarette whatsoever. Today I can breathe, and my health has improved dramatically. I have also lowered my health risks in the process as it is a smokeless product. It has changed my quality of life for the better.

Smoking bans are passed to curtail the effects of second hand smoke to others, however the electronic cigarette has not been shown to harm bystanders. All scientific evidence shown to date has demonstrated that the electronic cigarette to have as much risk as other smokeless nicotine products. The following link contains evidence that supports my position.

http://www.casaa.org/files/Ecigarettes_and_Smokefree_policies(1).pdf

There is no smoke coming from an electronic cigarette by it just sitting there. The vapor produced during use is virtually odorless and dissipates quickly.There is no ash or litter left behind from the use of electronic cigarettes. The use of electronic cigarettes, leaves so little evidence of use, that it would make enforcing a ban on them very difficult.

When a smoker switches to using an electronic cigarette, they improve thier health. If that person has the ability to use it in public, by awareness, that will improve the public health by encouraging smokers to make the switch.

Survey's of thousands of people who use electronic cigarettes indicate that most of them no longer smoke. This reduces thier health risks by approximately 98%.

Even if smokers think they will only use them for indoor use, most of them that give it a chance, actually quit smoking altogether.

Please visit CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association for more information.

Thank you for your time,

Bill Totten

(Address etc ...)

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I live in the 29th senate district, and the 85th representative district.

My current state senator, is Pam Galloway (R), and my current state representative is Donna Seidel (D).

It is a shame they are both in Madison, Wisconsin, as it would be a nice day for a walk. I live in Wausau, it is currently 11 degrees outside today, the weather wouldn't hurt me at all, but the distance defiantly would as our car is not up to the task. My phone will get some use today it seems.
 

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I am also asking all that can, especially here in Wisconsin to please get involved, it may take a moment of your time, but if this passes you may be saving lives down the road. Vaping has given me a second chance to do a lot of the things I could no longer do. Attempt to exclude vaping, from the smoking bans. It is the right to do.

Thank you,

Bill
 

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As someone who does not live in Wisconsin, is there anything I should be doing at this point?

Get the names of some Wisconsin cities, especially ones that are represented by Republicans, plug them in at the below link, and PM ECF members a link to this thread.

Member List - Search - E-Cigarette Forum

Or just keep an eye out for posts from ECF members in Wisconsin.
 

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Well our government website can be found at Wisconsin State Legislature.

You can find pretty much any contact you want for our state government there.

There is a comma and semicolon seperated full emailing list at CASAA.org, thanks to Kristin.

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Now this is from my point of view, not any "official" position on the matter. Most legislators tend to listen the "most" from their own constituents, unless they have reason not to. I spent most of my time, letting the two in my area know, how I feel about the matter, because they represent me.

We have 1 state senator, and 1 state representative, no matter where we live, but the areas for the senators are much larger, so they are a smaller body of members as a whole.

That being said, to me they all matter, for obvious reasons, and I made sure each of them were sent a copy of my letter and let them decide if they would read it.

The ones outside of my district obviously represent someone else, but their decisions affect me, and by extension they may affect you later on down the road.

Personally I cannot see any harm coming from people outside of the state, trying to educate them on the benefits of vaping and that supporting Senator Grothman's Bill is a terrific decision. Just like me, they may choose to read or ignore it, and then to decide if they agree with you or not.

I tend to believe that vaping as a whole, is not a widely spread topic, in our communities at large. I could be wrong, but I'd say if you surveyed 100 random people, a lot of them would have no idea, what a personal vaporizer really is, and how that could actually be a good thing. Sure we deal with them everyday, but most people do not. Considering that our representatives are people, I expect some of them to have never really given the topic any substantial thought. In that case, any positive exposure to them, at all, might be enough to sway some of them to support it.

I do know that, I expect opposition to this also in our state, because they are simply paid to do that. There is nothing I can do about that, except tell people what I believe to be the truth, and let them try to decide if I'm worth listening to, and following that if I'm credible and to do the right thing.

I know that I will not always get everything that I ask for, but I've never helped anything happen by remaining silent. If many people, let every representative here know that supporting this bill was a good thing from out of state, I certainly would not complain about it, in fact I'd be rather impressed.

If there is anything I can do to help you concerning Wisconsin itself, feel free to post or PM me. I'll try to reply in a timely manner.

I can tell you this is my first year here. I moved here from Bensalem, Pennsylvania earlier in the year, so I may have to do a little research to reply.

My family and I get by, but we are not wealthy either. The weather in my part of the state, is clear and cold today, we have basically ice on grass, but the roads are clear and open. We are currently working on getting a better car, the one I have gets around town, but its really not awesome for long distance driving, though as a family we rely on it a lot.

I am quite a distance away from Madison, which is where our state government does business.

Letting people who are from Wisconsin, and who get involved seems like a very good idea to me. I'm not sure how appropriate it is to contact individuals on this forum (based solely on location), and I know there are people on this forum, that network here more than I do. You may know more about this, than I do already, if so I'm open to suggestions.

The nature of the OP's post leads me to believe this matter is time sensitive, but what kind of deadlines are really in place, I do not currently know.

I thank you for taking interest and doing what you can to help, its very appreciated.
 
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In speaking with Senator Grothman's aide, we are definitely going to need people to come in and speak or read statements. If nothing else, fill the room with supporters and a few speakers during public comments. I will speak when the opportunity arises.

The senator himself (at least his aide) has very little knowledge of vaping and all of the controversy surrounding it. The aide was under the impression that "some e-cigarettes actually burn." I had to spend a lot of time explaining how vaping works, how many e-cigarettes don't even look like cigarettes, etc. It's great they want to help, but they need to be better prepared (I sent him a lot of reports/studies/opinions from CASAA's library.) But if someone who supports this is so uninformed, imagine what the other legislators think/believe, especially after getting letters from the ALA and ACS.

I'm hoping to get a chance to go to Madison and actually demonstrate e-cigarettes in use and show them how little my metallic blue eGo resembles traditional cigarettes (both in appearance and in use.)

So, I hope more people from Wisconsin start finding this thread and if they didn't have a chance to get an email/phone call to their reps, they'll be willing to make a trip to Madison in the (hopefully) near future.

Currently there isn't anything attempting to include e-cigarettes in the smoking ban, but as we've seen in other places, those come up fast and furious. This is a great opportunity to be ahead of the 8 ball. There is also Bill 93 that essentially bans sales of nicotine products to minors - this seems to be intended to address e-cigarette sales to minors. With this bill and that bill, it would be great for arguing against any further restrictions on e-cigarettes.
 
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I just got CC'd on an email Senator Grothman's office sent out to the entire legislature - it was a copy of the email CASAA sent out last night and this:

Below is an email from the Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association, which all legislative offices received this week in support of a bill exempting e-cigarettes from Wisconsin's smoking ban. We will leave the cosponsorship for this bill, LRB 1287/1, open until Wednesday, January 4, for anyone who wishes to consider this information further.

Please contact Lance in my office with any questions or to cosponsor the bill.

The co-sponsorship period was originally supposed to end yesterday or today, so this means we have more time to work on sending emails and calling to get more co-sponsors. The more co-sponsors, the better!!

Here is a copy of CASAA's letter:

Dear Senator,

The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA) is a non-profit, volunteer organization that works to ensure the availability of reduced harm alternatives to smoking and to provide smokers and non-smokers alike with truthful information about such alternatives. CASAA is not affiliated with the tobacco, pharmaceutical or electronic cigarette industry.

We are writing you to ask that you support the bill being introduced by Senator Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend) further clarifying that the statewide smoke-free indoor air law doesn't apply to smoke-free electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes.)

Wisconsin's smoke-free law was passed based upon accepted evidence that cigarette smoke poses a threat to the health of bystanders. As electronic cigarettes do not emit smoke, they pose none of the health risks imposed by secondhand smoke.

Although the current WI smoke-free workplace law doesn't ban the use of smoke-free electronic cigarettes, several organizations that oppose any usage of tobacco or nicotine have attempted to ban the use of e-cigarettes in other states by inaccurately claiming that using an e-cigarette is "smoking" and inaccurately claiming that the water vaper mist emitted by e-cigarettes is “smoke.” That is why Senator Grothman's bill further clarifies that the current WI smoke-free law doesn't ban the usage of e-cigarettes and why CASAA encourages your support for this legislation.

E-cigarettes have now been on the market for nearly 8 years, without any reports of adverse health effects related to their use or to exposure to the vapor by bystanders. It is estimated that approximately 2.5 million ex-smokers are now using the devices as a replacement for traditional cigarettes. Many different laboratory tests, studies and surveys have consistently found that e-cigarettes pose no known harm and have helped many people quit smoking and/or significantly reduce cigarette consumption. In fact, testing has shown them to be as low-risk as pharmaceutical nicotine products. Users are not only reporting that e-cigarettes are an effective alternative to smoking, but that they are experiencing improved breathing, overall health and stamina.

E-cigarettes are easily distinguishable from traditional cigarettes, as many models do not look like traditional cigarettes. Many are black, silver, blue, etc., with blue or green lights on the tip, if there is any light at all. There is no smoke, no ash, no embers, no offensive odor, no side stream smoke from the tip and no butts.

Surveys of e-cigarette users strongly indicate that the devices do not have a strong appeal for young adults or youth. Higher start-up costs and maintenance requirements for e-cigarettes discourage youth from choosing e-cigarettes over traditional cigarettes. The vast majority of e-cigarette users surveyed are current and former long-time smokers between the ages of 30 to 65. A great number of e-cigarette users report that traditional cigarettes to taste extremely foul after switching to e-cigarettes, further reducing the urge to return to smoking. This effect would greatly minimize the risk of e-cigarettes introducing youth to smoking traditional cigarettes.

There is ample scientific evidence and scientific opinion (see attached file) to support electronic cigarettes as reasonably safe and effective; and there is no evidence showing e-cigarettes pose a public health risk for users, bystanders or youth.

Once again, please support Senator Grothman's bill to clarify that WI's smoke-free law doesn't ban the usage of smoke-free e-cigarettes.

Sincerely,
Elaine Keller
CASAA President
Kristin Noll-Marsh
CASAA Vice President

(Obviously, I based my letter on this one and just added my personal experience.)
 

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Oh, the reason this letter also addresses non indoor vaping issues is because Grothman's office forwarded the document sent out by the ACS, which pulled out all the old arguments:

E-CIGARETTES
Are they safe? Will they help smokers quit?


E-Cigarettes that allow the user to inhale a vapor produced from cartridges filled
with nicotine, flavor and other chemicals. E-cigarette companies
promote them as both alternatives to traditional cigarettes and
tobacco cessation tools.

What are E-Cigarettes?
 According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), e-cigarettes are combination
drug-device products
designed to deliver nicotine or other substances to a user in the form
of a vapor.
1
FDA does not consider e-cigarettes to be tobacco products.

 E-cigarettes are not traditional cigarettes. They are typically composed of a rechargeable,
battery-operated heating element, a replaceable cartridge that may contain nicotine or
other chemicals, and an atomizer that uses heat to convert the contents of the cartridge
into a vapor, which is then inhaled by the user.
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 Some e-cigarettes contain nicotine, a highly addictive drug
3
.

Safety and Cessation Concerns
 There is currently no scientific evidence about the safety of e-cigarettes. In initial lab tests,
FDA found detectable levels of carcinogens (nitrosamines) and toxic chemicals, including
an ingredient used in anti-freeze
, in two brands of e-cigarettes and numerous cartridges.
FDA determined that users could potentially be exposed to these chemicals.
4
This contradicts manufacturers’ claims
5,6,7
that their products are safe alternatives to tobacco.

 E-cigarettes have not been approved by the FDA for use in smoking cessation. No
evidence exists to show they help people quit smoking.

8

 More research on e-cigarettes is needed to determine what ingredients they contain, how
they are being used, and what effect they have on users.


Marketing and Youth Access Concerns
 Despite the fact that e-cigarettes have not been shown to be effective tobacco cessation
tools and are not FDA approved, some distributors are marketing them for smoking
cessation.
9
 In one study, FDA found that some e-cigarette cartridges claiming not to contain nicotine
actually did.
10

 Government agencies and medical organizations, such as the FDA, the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention, and the American Academy of Pediatrics have also expressed
concern that electronic cigarettes could increase nicotine addiction and tobacco use in
young people.

11

 E-cigarettes are often made to resemble cigarettes and available in flavors that may appeal to youth. E-cigarettes may also lead youth to try traditional cigarettes or other tobacco products, which are known to cause disease and premature death.
12

 Many nicotine refill bottles or cartridges are not adequately packaged to prevent children’s
access or accidental ingestion of toxic amounts of nicotine.


There is no scientific
evidence that e-cigarettes
are safe or that they can
help smokers quit.



ACS CAN’s Current Views
 ACS CAN strongly supports FDA’s assertion that e-cigarettes should be regulated as drugdelivery devices and not as tobacco products. We support the authority of the FDA to take action to protect and advance the public health to the full extent of the law.

 ACS CAN supports including e-cigarettes in new smoke-free laws or amendments to
existing laws. However, since FDA does not consider e-cigarettes to be tobacco products,
they should clearly be defined as different from tobacco products and addressed separately in
the law.

 Regardless of the marketing tactics that ecigarette companies use, ACS CAN supports
restricting the sale of e-cigarettes until they are approved by the FDA and evidence shows
that these products are not harmful.


Laws that only prohibit sales to minors do not go far enough to protect public health.

Recent FDA Action on E-Cigarettes
In September 2010, FDA began enforcing
its authority to regulate e-cigarettes as
combination drug-devices and issued
warming letters against five electronic
cigarette distributors for making
unsubstantiated claims and marketing
their products illegally. FDA requested
that the companies in violation of the
law correct their violations or stop selling
their products within 15 working days.


References
1
U.S. Food and Drug Administration. FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes. July 22,
2009. Available online at FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes.
2
U.S. Food and Drug Administration. E-Cigarettes: Questions and Answers. September 17, 2010. Available online
at E-Cigarettes: Questions and Answers.
3
National Institute on Drug Abuse. Tobacco/Nicotine. Available at
Tobacco and Nicotine - Drugs of Abuse and Related Topics - NIDA.
4
U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted
by FDA. July 22, 2009. Available online at Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA.
5
The E-Cigarettes Shop. Electronic Cigarettes - A Healthier Alternative to Smoking. Available online at
Electronic Cigarettes – A Healthier Alternative To Smoking.
6
ECigarettesUSA, Inc. ECigarettes…a healthier alternative to cigarettes. Available at
http://www.ecigarettesusa.com/.
7
The Safe Cig. Electronic Cigarette FAQs. Available online at Contact | The Safe Cig | For All Your Electronic Cigarette Needs.
8
World Health Organization. Marketers of Electronic Cigarettes Should Halt Unproven Therapy Claims. September
19, 2008. Available online at WHO | Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims.
9
U.S. Food and Drug Administration. FDA Acts Against 5 Electronic Cigarette Distributors. September 9, 2010.
Available online at FDA acts against 5 electronic cigarette distributors.
10
U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes
Conducted by FDA. July 22, 2009. Available online at
Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA.
11
U.S. Food and Drug Administration. FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes.
12
U.S. Food and Drug Administration. FDA Warns of Health Risks Posed by E-Cigarettes. July 23, 2009. Available
online at FDA Warns of Health Risks Posed by E-Cigarettes.
 
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