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Box mods are a better design since your pocket is square, boards are square, and good batteries are believe it or not SQUARE. (show me a 70c tube battery...) A box also doesn't look like a dildo, baby bottle, or any other number of implied things that cause people to stare at your love affair. A box is a very technical design, it screams tech, not sex toy. Analogs also happen to come in a BOX for a reason, not a tube.

I love my Provari standard too.

The Provari mini is an exercise in futility and I despise its minimal battery capacity with a vengeance. Its nothing special and basically is just a chopped down Provari standard w/out any actual improvements to keep this short.
 
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this, to me is where often times things are backwards logically.

price is a concern. buy right or buy twice. with vaping, it can be over and over again very easily.

reo grand, to me is the ultimate in economics. wick, wire, batteries and juice are your only long term expenses.

high amp (25A - 30A) batteries are only marginally, if at all more expensive than lower amp batteries and endure more punishment without breaking a sweat.

though, for a reliable, well performing variable device, you can't go wrong with a provari unless you need high power.
 

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    this, to me is where often times things are backwards logically.

    price is a concern. buy right or buy twice. with vaping, it can be over and over again very easily.

    reo grand, to me is the ultimate in economics. wick, wire, batteries and juice are your only long term expenses.

    high amp (25A - 30A) batteries are only marginally, if at all more expensive than lower amp batteries and endure more punishment without breaking a sweat.

    though, for a reliable, well performing variable device, you can't go wrong with a provari unless you need high power.


    That only comes into play if the desired PV is similar. For the person that likes that type of PV, and many of us don't, and he's going through, say, Vamos quickly- then yes.

    And even then he may not want to compromise what he considers important in everyday vaping that the Provari may lack.

    I don't think everyone goes out and buys the most expensive TV, car etc. just because they might end up spending an equivalent amount or more over time.

    I suspect that you knew that word "right" would be a little inflammatory"? :laugh: That's fine...
     

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    this, to me is where often times things are backwards logically.

    price is a concern. buy right or buy twice. with vaping, it can be over and over again very easily.

    reo grand, to me is the ultimate in economics. wick, wire, batteries and juice are your only long term expenses.

    high amp (25A - 30A) batteries are only marginally, if at all more expensive than lower amp batteries and endure more punishment without breaking a sweat.

    though, for a reliable, well performing variable device, you can't go wrong with a provari unless you need high power.

    Especially when you consider that more and more APV's are breaking the "hundred dollar barrier" the ProVari does not look so expensive anymore.

    Of course that's coming from someone in the US. Our friends in Europe and other places are paying over twice what we pay in the states, and the ProVari is a tougher sell at $320.00 than $159.00.
     

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    That only comes into play if the desired PV is similar. For the person that likes that type of PV, and many of us don't, and he's going through, say, Vamos quickly- then yes.

    And even then he may not want to compromise what he considers important in everyday vaping that the Provari may lack.

    I don't think everyone goes out and buys the most expensive TV, car etc. just because they might end up spending an equivalent amount or more over time.

    I suspect that you knew that word "right" would be a little inflammatory"? :laugh: That's fine...

    The whole concept of a one MOD to rule them all is flawed.

    There are numerous ways to vape, and there is no PV that is best in all the areas.

    There is only what is "right" for you.

    And even that is a moving target.

    For example: I love my ProVari's. I use them every day. While I like the ability to use user replaceable batteries in most cases, this is a PITA when travelling. I have to pack multiple batteries, an external battery charger, etc. In this case an MVP is much easier to take with me on an overnight trip. It uses the same adapter as my phone. I can use it in passthrough mode if I'm on a lengthy car trip.

    In this specific case, the MVP reigns supreme. Would I say that the MVP is the superior mod? Not necessarily. The ProVari has greater voltage range, will definitely last longer, and looks better with my Kayfuns than the MVP. But when I'm travelling, the convenience of the MVP's "all in one" design trumps everything else.

    Bottom line. Buy what you like and buy as many of them as you like and don't let anyone else tell you "you're wrong".

    Unless, of course, you decide to buy a KSD Kmax. If you get one of those....I'm sorry.....You're just plain wrong....
     
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    The whole concept of a one MOD to rule them all is flawed.

    There are numerous ways to vape, and there is no PV that is best in all the areas.

    There is only what is "right" for you.

    And even that is a moving target.

    For example: I love my ProVari's. I use them every day. While I like the ability to use user replaceable batteries in most cases, this is a PITA when travelling. I have to pack multiple batteries, an external battery charger, etc. In this case an MVP is much easier to take with me on an overnight trip. It uses the same adapter as my phone. I can use it in passthrough mode if I'm on a lengthy car trip.

    In this specific case, the MVP reigns supreme. Would I say that the MVP is the superior mod? Not necessarily. The ProVari has greater voltage range, will definitely last longer, and looks better with my Kayfuns than the MVP. But when I'm travelling, the convenience of the MVP's "all in one" design trumps everything else.

    Bottom line. Buy what you like and buy as many of them as you like and don't let anyone else tell you "you're wrong".

    Unless, of course, you decide to buy a KSD Kmax. If you get one of those....I'm sorry.....You're just plain wrong....


    Lol, and yet they'll sell many. Reviews say it's "Cool". Cool Does sell. Provari did well with the Zombie edition.

    You know, it seemed like Provari owners were more excited back when they were all Shiny. Maybe that was cooler? Now they're just like a PV security blanket, it seems. That doesn't seem to appeal much to the younger crowd.

    Just me flapping my lips here passing the time...............:)
     

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    Vicious Ant has a 120W box mod coming out that I hear will cost about 500. It looks like a fat iPhone. I have no need for 120w, so I just bought another ProVari. I have a mini, but the battery life isn't cutting it. I also like to keep a couple flavors at the ready while I'm sitting around the house.

    Honestly, the ProVari just works all the time with a very consistent vape. I love the look of mechanicals, but I really don't feel like getting into RBAs. I try to remember that I did this to stop smoking. I don't have an issue with investing money into it, but I already feel unproductive about the time I'm investing.
     

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    That only comes into play if the desired PV is similar. For the person that likes that type of PV, and many of us don't, and he's going through, say, Vamos quickly- then yes.

    And even then he may not want to compromise what he considers important in everyday vaping that the Provari may lack.

    I don't think everyone goes out and buys the most expensive TV, car etc. just because they might end up spending an equivalent amount or more over time.

    I suspect that you knew that word "right" would be a little inflammatory"? :laugh: That's fine...
    televisions and cars are horrid examples to bring that point home. there is extreme longevity built in to models in every price bracket. :p

    though, i stand by my point on economics alone. buy a vamo. don't like it. sell it. you just lost 25% off the top on shipping alone... let alone the price of shipping from china. if you bought it in the US, you're out at least 50% of the original purchase price.

    buy a provari or Reo and don't like it. sell it in the classies. you now are using at least 90% of your original money to purchase it's replacement.

    buy right or buy twice...
    Especially when you consider that more and more APV's are breaking the "hundred dollar barrier" the ProVari does not look so expensive anymore.

    Of course that's coming from someone in the US. Our friends in Europe and other places are paying over twice what we pay in the states, and the ProVari is a tougher sell at $320.00 than $159.00.

    agreed. our EU friends would likely be better off with a semovar. the nivel chip certainly looks interesting. wouldn't mind having one myself. save for the fact that like the provari, it's max output is less than i prefer for my daily vape.
     

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    buy a provari or Reo and don't like it. sell it in the classies. you now are using at least 90% of your original money to purchase it's replacement.

    I bought a Provari in the classies for $180.00 three weeks ago. I had some buyers remorse because it was my third ProVari. I mean really, what am I going to do with three. It was an impulse buy and I didn't like the color as much as I thought I would.

    So I sold it yesterday in the classies for exactly what I paid for it.....

    In 15 minutes.....

    Q.E.D.
     

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    Its so box like...

    lol its not box like...it is a box :laugh:

    Its such a broad question. There is no one mod to rule them all. Different strokes different folks, ya know?
    Some of the most popular ones right now though (which is usually a good indication it works pretty dang well) are: ZNA, Hana, pretty much anything with a DNA 30 chip in it. Mechs - GP Paps (I think) is one of the most sought after but stingrays and nemi's are always popular as well. Wild card - REO and provari.
     
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    If vaping continues to grow, I think you will start seeing a ton of mods in the $1000-$3000 range. They will be like works of art and status symbols. I've had cigarette lighters that costs hundreds of dollars. I have pens that costs well over a thousand dollars. None of those things really do anything particularly better than similar items that cost a fraction of the amount, but you just feel good using them.

    I've heard people say that the ProVari is the Rolex of PVs. That's really not a fair assessment, because if you are trying to keep accurate time, a Rolex isn't very good at it. I think for accurate voltage and durability, the ProVari ranks at the top of the pack.
     
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