would i even enjoy sub ohm vaping?
- Thread starter veganvap
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
I really enjoy sub ohm vaping, but I cannot compare the two. I have only sub ohm vaped since that was how I was introduced. I was actually thinking the same question but in reverse.
I never thought I would enjoy sub ohm vaping but it's all I do now. For whatever reason, higher resistance builds at lower wattage settings were much more harsh and unpleasant to me than my .4 to .7 builds I'm using now. I think it has to do with the thicker gauge kanthal I'm using or something but it's not nearly as hot or as harsh of a vape as I had imagined before trying it. Just much more flavor and vapor.
You might and you might not. When i first started vaping, I ran with similar settings as you. And while flavor and vapor was decent and it kept me off cigs, I always felt that it felt "different."... it lacked that feeling of my chest being filled, etc... the vapor was just a bit thin...
Once I started sub-ohming, that all changed... and I actually started to REALLY enjoy vaping. Am I a cloud chaser? Absolutely not... do I enjoy a heavy dense vape? Absolutely.
Keep in mind though...sub-ohm (or rather high wattage) vaping isn't about just cranking up your power, that does not even come close to the experience. You'd just end up with a very harsh vape. (as you know).
Just to give you kind of an idea, here's some food for thought... You currently enjoy 4v @1.8Ω... roughly 8.8 Watts. Now just imagine that you have 2 coils (set up exactly like your current coil) within the same atomizer... you would essentially get double your current vape, right?... Well, that set up would be sub-ohm @ .9Ω. Basically, get two of your devices at your optimal setting and hit them both at the same time... that kind of gives you an idea. Not a harsher vape... just increased density... (This example is pretty simplified... but it's just to give you a glimpse into what sub-ohming is about). And of course, your current 15w device would be maxed out with something like this as this would equate a 17watt build at 4v... and that's assuming it could fire a .9Ω atty.
Of course, there's plenty of other variables to be considered... wire gauge, air flow, juice flow, chamber size..etc... and the example above is probably overly simplified to be accurate on all fronts.. but its given just to give you an idea of how you should be viewing it...rather than just thinking its like increasing the volts to your current set up.
Its certainly not for everyone.. BUT...I'd venture to think a lot more people would be doing it IF they actually understood it a bit better.
The lower gauge wire has less resistance so you need more of it to reach your targeted Ω... since you have more wire mass your wattage is distributed over a greater area, which results in lower wire temperatures... a cooler vape (to a degree).
If you're happy at 3Ω@3.7v, more power to you!!! There is absolutely no "right" way to vape... except for what is right for you! But you actually might be pleasantly surprised at what a little more advanced builds have to offer.
Edit: Oh.. and just so you know, the same concepts of sub-ohm vaping can be applied your current set up as well... they are not exclusive to sub-ohm builds and there is nothing magical about the 1Ω mark: the same principles apply at all coils/attys and any Ω, you just might run into real world limitations. But with higher amp/wattage regulated devices being released, some of those limitations are being addressed.
Last edited:
Only you can answer that I enjoy a sub-ohm vape from time to time. My daily vape? No, not even close. I usually just vape a Provari with a carto or a Kayfun on top, 1.5 ohms at 3.7v very much in the "average vape" territory.
Vaping is an expression of you and what you enjoy. With that said, just because it's harsh when you turn the wattage up on your variable, doesn't mean the sub ohm builds will be harsh. If it is harsh when you turn your watts up, it could be the pg/vg ratio of your juice, or it could be that the wicks of your tank can't supply that much liquid that quickly so you're getting a little wick burn.
Point being, you will never know if you don't try. You can get a great setup for under $50.00 on MyFreedomSmokes (Chi You with a Patriot RDA) and if you don't like it, someone will snatch that off you really quick.
When I first started vaping, I bought the BeyondVape Spire with Nautilus Tank. When I went to my vape shop here in town and saw the employees dripping, chucking these huge clouds, I thought my lungs could never take that. Low and behold, one of the employees let me try his black copper stingray (an amazing mod if I do say so myself) and I was flabbergasted (funny word) at how smooth it was, how great the flavor was, and how much it made me completely forget about smoking. From there, I was immediately enthralled with vaping, as where with my variable voltage device, I was meh about it.
Good luck in your quest!
Point being, you will never know if you don't try. You can get a great setup for under $50.00 on MyFreedomSmokes (Chi You with a Patriot RDA) and if you don't like it, someone will snatch that off you really quick.
When I first started vaping, I bought the BeyondVape Spire with Nautilus Tank. When I went to my vape shop here in town and saw the employees dripping, chucking these huge clouds, I thought my lungs could never take that. Low and behold, one of the employees let me try his black copper stingray (an amazing mod if I do say so myself) and I was flabbergasted (funny word) at how smooth it was, how great the flavor was, and how much it made me completely forget about smoking. From there, I was immediately enthralled with vaping, as where with my variable voltage device, I was meh about it.
Good luck in your quest!
Thanks for the info... i haven't played with gauge that low yet. I'll give that a go one of these days...
OK mujurum, I'll give it a whirl. I'll build a 1.8Ω, then if I like it, I'll go lower. 1.1Ω is as low as the MVP will go though. Not sub-ohm I know, but maybe I'm missing out on something by not going lower. Can't hurt to try.
Last edited:
Just built a 1.9 coil. OK, no way near sub-ohm, but out of my comfort zone anyway. I've tried several settings and finally settled on 3.7v, as usual for me. I need to give it time, but first impressions are, more flavor, more vaper... just can't see the TV now.
When i first started vaping I used a ego with 1.5 coil, but i noticed that i would hold the button till the 10 second safety feature kicked it off. It just wasnt enough for me.. So then i got a k100 with a kayfun lite plus, and started building my coils.. When i made my coil anything over 1.5 it just seemed i would have to hit it longer, wasnt a bad hit but not for me... Now i sub ohm about .80 and as soon as i hit the button its vaping like a freight train.. I dont have to hold button for extended amount of time. I do alot of stealth vaping at work and this works great for me.. Seems like if i sub ohm I get the best peformance for my needs, and thats what its all about.. PERSONAL ENJOYMENT.. My wife on the other hand thinks its way to much and she enjoys the 1.8 - 2.2 ohm coils..
I hated sub-ohming at first and there's certain builds at sub-ohm I still hate but I love certain coil builds at sub-ohm like a parallel 28 guage in my atomic @.5 ohms using my black copper scorpion or DNA30 @ 30W since it's not that hot harsh and in my face but still lots of flavorful vapor as mentioned above.... however some sub ohm builds I found to be too warm and too much in my face and I didn't like it at all not all sub ohm is even close to the same!
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Xparent Skyblue Tapatalk 2
For me, it's not just the wattage, but the build. You don't necessarily have to get below 1 ohm to get great vapor. You can build in the 1.2-1.6 range and still get nice vapor, but it takes some attention and fine tuning on your coil, wicking, and air flow. One of the reasons sub-ohmers get great vapor, is that they typically have spent a lot of time learning their set up and how to make it produce. I am currently vaping at 1.0 ohm on a mech and have not dipped below that threshold, so technically I am not a sub-ohmer, but I get a really nice dense vapor. I might try a .8, but I'd be surprised if I ever built any lower than that.
Just so you know.. there's other factors that play a role and you need to get them all in balance. I think the easiest place to start (at least for me) was to simply play with lower gauge kanthal. I started at 32g where most started at the time (shops may be recommending differently these days). From there, I simply started messing with 30g and 28g. The thing you need to know is that a 2Ω coil built with 28g will vape cooler than a 2Ω coil with 32g... and will be larger (so be sure you're building on something that's large enough). The wire temperature drops as your gauge gets lower (more mass to heat up). At some point, the wire temperature may drop too much for your liking... so you sort of naturally go lower on the ohms to compensate. That is how Jomiz above has settled on .6Ω build using 24g above. The benefits of lower gauge is more surface area so you get more vapor.
I take the alternate route, choosing to dual coil with 28g @ .5Ω rather than single with lower gauge. (theres more than one way to get what you're looking for).
Treat this all as a primer... once you start playing with different gauge kanthal, I think you'll be well on your way to shaping your vape to your liking and you'll kind of figure out the questions you should be asking.
Keep in mind through all of it...you need to have sufficient wicking and sufficient air flow. Enjoy the journey.
Edit: Just noticed.. you're on a MVP... you'll be limited in two ways: a) as stated your low ohm limit; and b) your wattage output... i think you're limited to about 11watts, if i recall correctly. But regardless, you should have enough room to start playing with lower gauge a little bit.
Last edited:
I couldn't agree with you more... there's multiple ways to get to any particular Ω. I'm usually at .5Ω with a dual coil of 28g. It probably runs similar to your parallel coil. I am definitely curious to try something similar to Jomiz' set up with 24g though.
- Status
Similar threads
