So i got bored last night and was reading some of the health complaints to the fda about e-ciggs and I couldnt believe half of them for example someone said we were at a table and someone was smoking one next to us and i was sick for a week after with bronchitis , or some were others said my eyes were burning and i got dizzy being by somebody smoking one. Now dont get me wrong there was a few that seemed legit that should be noted like the one guy said his lip swelled up which to me sounds like an allergy but should be noted or one guy said his battery blew up on him when his coil failed which isnt really effect of the vapor but a risk u take using a battery of any sort by your face . But 80% were i got sick by being near it for this amount of time and so on ithey got to be just people that want to complain
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these people are probably paid by big pharma or tobacco company
i made alot of test,kleenex,vap in eye and thing like that and no problemo!
these people are probably paid by big pharma or tobacco company
i made alot of test,kleenex,vap in eye and thing like that and no problemo!
All of those complaints you cite as examples are a bunch of crap.
They are either hardcore Anti-vaping and Nicotine Zealots or they are immense hypochondriacs.
Reading stuff like that should quickly put you into Stage 3 on the scale...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/569573-5-stages-vaping.html
They are either hardcore Anti-vaping and Nicotine Zealots or they are immense hypochondriacs.
Reading stuff like that should quickly put you into Stage 3 on the scale...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/569573-5-stages-vaping.html
Precisely, DC2.
You see, this "anecdote" about getting dizzy and feeling faint when 2 e-cigs were smoked (sic!) in the room was started by the WHO subsidiary at the German Cancer Research Institute DKFZ. It went all over the media in Germany as a "scientific experiment". Until the WHO employee who started that stuff was pressed into admitting that it was an "anecdote". Meaning that she had made it all up. - Well, the US media picked up on that "anecdote" and "reported" the same "effects", all over the place.
Thus, it became an urban legend. Like the spider in the Yukka palm. Everybody knows someone who knows someone whose father's girlfriend's niece's cleaning woman's daughter once had a boyfriend who had the exact same symptoms. Yeah...
And do check out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/569573-5-stages-vaping.html . It is worth it.
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As to the veracity of the DKFZ: they were the same people who spread the obvious lie that glycerin is an oil and can thus - allegedly - do damage when inhaled. Glycerine is by no means an oil, it is an alcohol. And a "research institute" should be aware of the fact. See here
You see, this "anecdote" about getting dizzy and feeling faint when 2 e-cigs were smoked (sic!) in the room was started by the WHO subsidiary at the German Cancer Research Institute DKFZ. It went all over the media in Germany as a "scientific experiment". Until the WHO employee who started that stuff was pressed into admitting that it was an "anecdote". Meaning that she had made it all up. - Well, the US media picked up on that "anecdote" and "reported" the same "effects", all over the place.
Thus, it became an urban legend. Like the spider in the Yukka palm. Everybody knows someone who knows someone whose father's girlfriend's niece's cleaning woman's daughter once had a boyfriend who had the exact same symptoms. Yeah...
And do check out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/569573-5-stages-vaping.html . It is worth it.
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As to the veracity of the DKFZ: they were the same people who spread the obvious lie that glycerin is an oil and can thus - allegedly - do damage when inhaled. Glycerine is by no means an oil, it is an alcohol. And a "research institute" should be aware of the fact. See here
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Sounds like the FDA manufacturing evidence against us. I hope they aren't paying a lot for that, there are plenty of ignorant and professionally aggrieved people out there who will go into fake coughing fits as soon as they see you vaping. I've seen that plenty of times.
One day I was sitting in my car in the parking lot at work, vaping as I listened to Catherine Austin Fitts being interviewed, and a woman pulls in next to me and just sits in her car looking at me for a while, then she opens her car door, still watching me vape, leaving her door open, then starts up with the fake coughing fits as she glares at me... I just totally ignored her.
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Yeah.
And what a silly, stupid woman. Well, it is her throat she hurts with her fake coughing fits, not yours.
Hm..... should the WHO do a study on the dangers of fake coughing fits? I bet they cause cancer in lab rats
ROFL!
Yeah, when I still smoked, I got bronchitis real bad, about 3 times a year. The kind where every breath hurts and the kind that stays with you for weeks.
Since I started vaping (2.5 years ago): not once. One time, I had a little baby bronchitis for half a day, coughing up some clear little droplets. That made me smile - THAT wants to be a bronchitis? Tee hee. Some hot ginger tea with honey, and the little baby bronchitis was gone the next day
Yup, I suppose the bronchitis sufferer was a smoker. OR got the irritation from all that fake coughing
Interestingly, I just had a check-up with my doctor this afternoon. I'd been hospitalized -- I say for acute bronchitis because I came down with a cold, my doctor says for COPD -- and this was my one-month check-up.
My doctor was thrilled to hear that I'd quit smoking. I told him I was still using an e-cigarette, but... and he told me he'd far rather his patients used e-cigarettes than smoke.
So there you have it folks. An actual doctor who endorses vaping.
My doctor was thrilled to hear that I'd quit smoking. I told him I was still using an e-cigarette, but... and he told me he'd far rather his patients used e-cigarettes than smoke.
So there you have it folks. An actual doctor who endorses vaping.
Yeah i don't know why i started reading them i think i was looking at the fda proposal and saw the link and figured i would see what the complaints were that people made and some of them just made me laugh. And they a tually made me mad because you can tell people are just full of it
This FDA junk is worrysome. I'd like someone to ensure my battery has overcurrent, overcharge, overdischarge protections, That the Glycerin I'm vaping is what they claim it is and not some di-ethyl junk or glycerin from a biodeisel factory thats not fit for consumption, and does my juice that says 2.4mg/ml actually contain something real close to 2.4 every batch. That if theres a batch of clove flavor making people sick that they can track down and recall all the stuff that was made with that faulty batch.
Some of those are consumer product issues - not food or drug, The rest rise more to the level of food safely than drug.
I get the impression that none of these are really regulated now. You could have a faulty heater coil cause an unprotected battery to catch fire in your hands. You could get some juice with bad stuff in it. Theres also no marketing regulation - come on - 50 reviews that are all 5-stars and none of which mention any competitors? There is so much bull.... fake-review, inflated specs type marketing out there it makes me sick.
Really don't want the level of regulation that means only 2 huge companies can make nicotine gum and it has to taste and feal like crap and cost 20X as much as spearmint gum.
Some of those are consumer product issues - not food or drug, The rest rise more to the level of food safely than drug.
I get the impression that none of these are really regulated now. You could have a faulty heater coil cause an unprotected battery to catch fire in your hands. You could get some juice with bad stuff in it. Theres also no marketing regulation - come on - 50 reviews that are all 5-stars and none of which mention any competitors? There is so much bull.... fake-review, inflated specs type marketing out there it makes me sick.
Really don't want the level of regulation that means only 2 huge companies can make nicotine gum and it has to taste and feal like crap and cost 20X as much as spearmint gum.
Actually, there's lots of them out there...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/120181-did-your-doctor-approve-your-vaping.html
It's when you find a doctor who is against vaping, that's when you have a problem.
In fact, that's when I would change doctors.
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