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( including contaminants like diacetyl )
I watched the video this morning. Its was on Yahoo's front page. I thought it was really good.
Her comment on diacetyl being a contaminant I thought was a little misleading. Diacetyl
is a chemical that one would expect to be in a flavoring. Namely buttered flavored juices.
I realize that some have a concern about diacetyl and that's ok. If she said there are some
concerns about some of the ingredients that need to be addressed I would wholeheartedly
agree. Calling it a contaminant however suggests its something that accidently got into
the juice and will cause harm. When I think of contaminants it's more along the lines
of something like benzene or mercury or another substance that will without a doubt
harm you. Surely a general observer unfamiliar with the issues would probably get that impression.

How would you write and enforce temperature limitations?
That's easy. Regulate resistance values between a maximum high and low value.
Regulate voltage applied the same way.
As far as what they should be is anyone's guess. The basic premise would be to prevent battery stress
thus reducing the chance of thermal issues resulting in battery failure. I can see where this would be
an issue with our cloud bro's. It would be a two edged sword. They would have to source there own
coils and be at risk of misadventures of all sorts. On the other hand perhaps they would truly make
an effort to learn the basics of sub ohming to join the elite team of power vaping.
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I'm no expert but I do like vaping anywhere between 6 and 80 watts. It seems that some people think high wattage always means hot vape. I am currently vaping a .18 dual Clapton on my unregulated parallel box. Puts about 80 watts to my coils after battery sag/voltage drop. The thing is, 80 watts is actually needed to get that wire up to vaping temperature and once it is, there is enough airflow to regulate that temp and keep it from overheating. I get the same taste from my tootle tank because the liquid is reaching roughly the same temperature.
It also appears that heat flux calculators do not take airflow into account. Correct me if I'm off here.

Edit: this post was a response to skoony's post. Seems a little OT otherwise. :p
 
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Also want to throw in my agreement with skoony about the use of the word "contaminant". It seems to imply a degree of harm which, according to my reading, is in no way based in reality. If this is my only complaint about an otherwise great article, I'll take it!
 

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what voltage do you run at?

Ditto
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Well my unregulated just run at whatever charge my battery has left. As for regulated vapes, I don't pay as close attention to the voltage being applied as I mostly use a vaporshark. With the screen on the bottom and voltage applied only being shown while firing, I have to fire my coils without hitting it Just to get that info.
Generally, on my regulated devices I run coils that a mech would not heat properly at 4.2 volts. I would say I'm in the 4.5 to 5 volt neighborhood on builds like that.
 
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The 'common sense' regulations that she mentions are being handled by the industry and consumers by our own self-regulation. No one can stop the idiots that will misuse batteries and there is no lithium battery device that is 100% safe - cell phones, laptops, flashlights, RC controllers, etc - All have had 'incidents' - many more than ecigs.

The idea that PG (or VG) doesn't have any 'long term' studies is simply false. There are studies of inhalation of both going back a half a century now for workers in those factories that make it and Sally should know this, but evidently doesn't. To bring up this 'we just don't know' argument is beneath almost everything she has had to say up until this video. It's part of the 'wild west' argument.

The connection of diacetyl to BO in vaping or in even smoking where it's presence is multiple times higher than vaping, is not sufficient to warrant any 'common sense' regulations. Those who fear it, should avoid it. Those who need it for flavoring in order to continue to vape instead of smoke, should have the choice. If most vapers don't want it, it will fade from the market.

This is a corruption of the phrase 'common sense' - in order to make what would be costly and perhaps even detrimental regulation more palatable. It involves the user of force to enforce upon the industry, things that the industry and consumers have handled by consent and market demand for those aspects that some don't like. Top coils went by the wayside. The use of glue has yielded to compression and O-rings, certain plastics have lost out to pyrex. High heat has succumbed to temperature control. Those type of innovations will be lost as soon as gov't force is brought into the picture that either prohibits or mandates aspects under the guise of 'common sense'.
 

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Excellent points.
It's part of the 'wild west' argument.
The only thing Wild,Wild West about the industry is all the Free Range Money roaming around.
Top coils went by the wayside.
Top coils? I wasn't aware of any issues and I like my Iclear 16's.
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