WTA and Addictiveness

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Has anybody noticed any kind of addictiveness to WTA over and above our regular nicotine addiction?
I find that I have no problem *not* vaping WTA juice. I'll clarify that - I don't find myself jonesing and clawing and scraping my way back to a bottle if I don't have it. I *do* feel better, calmer and more satisfied with it, and I *like* it a heck of a lot more, but if I don't have it it's not a big deal.
My question is more directed at the comparison between non-WTA and WTA eliquid - not in relation to whether WTA quells a cigarette craving. Some of the old criticism of WTA has been that it might be more "addictive".

What are your experiences now that time has passed?
 

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My experience is that, probably since it is more satisfying, there's less of a craving for WTA at least in the short term. I been injured for the last 10 days or so and recovering from that and found I was vaping a lot less since I was in bed most of the time and didn't miss it or really even notice it.

I think with regular juice you are jonesing to a certain degree even while vaping it so you are more likely to have that increase as the time in between vapes increases.

As far as whether it's harder or easier to kick, I guess if it's harder to kick, and someone does want to quit nic, then if this were the case they could always go back to regular juice. It's pretty clear that doing that would be pretty easy to do, far easier than quitting cigarettes for vaping that's for sure.

As a general rule though, if you're looking to quit nic you don't come over to the WTA side to do it, although in reality it may even make the experience easier. The reason is that, with the other alkaloids, you can cut down on your nic easier and more comfortably, and that I would think at least could make quitting easier.

Most vapers overvape regular juice to try to make up for what it's missing.

For most vapers who just want to vape and aren't worried about quitting, who cares really, other than if you get stuck without vaping you're a lot better off with WTA as just about everyone who has vaped WTA will probably attest to.
 

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When I smoked analogues, I could put one out in the ashtray, and crave lighting another one up just as soon as I finished the last one. With WTA, I have gotten comfortable leaving the home on short trips (less than 3 hours) without bringing any with me, I could never do that with analogues. Sometimes I will stay busy doing something for 4, 5, or 6 hours or longer and forget to vape my WTA, something I couldn't do during my first 6 months of vaping nicotine-only juice.

I will say that I purposely order enough WTA not to run out, knowing it's there is sort of a feeling of security in itself. Knowing I have it, and I have some more coming every 30 days, (+/-), sort of takes the desperate fear out of me that I am going to have a nicotine jones and pull my hair out, or hurt someone who stands in my way. I did go through a brief period when I first switched from regular nicotine-only fruit, coffee, vanilla/tobacco flavored juices to the WTA Red Tail approximately last May, when I was vaping it like a fiend, because the nicotine I was vaping from other vendors just didn't take away my cigarette craving. I always felt like something was missing, and so I would vape often and a lot to chase that satisfaction that never quite arrived. But I am finding that as the months go by, since switching to WTA my craving is less and less. I know the WTA will be there and make any cravings stop, but every month I like the odor of analogues less and less, and can't imagine going back to analogues and having the odor on my breath and clothing and hair.

So if I define addictiveness as physical dependency to a substance with an ever-increasing tolerance to achieve the same affect as desired in the beginning, by that definition I would not say WTA is "addictive," or causes physical dependency. On the other hand, I don't know if I could yet defeat the argument that I don't have a psychological dependency of some sort to WTA, but anyone who has struggled with addictions has experienced, physical dependency is a lot bigger monkey to get off your back, than a psychological desire to enjoy something. For example, morphine or opiate painkillers vs. Juicy-Fruit gum.

I just don't get the severe physical jonesing with WTA anymore like I did when I was smoking analogues, or vaping nicotine-only e-liquid. I haven't yet tried to go 24 hours without it to see how I responded, so I can't speak on how that would affect me yet. Actually yes I can. I stayed 3 days each in the hospital about 4 seperate times times since May 2012, and I didn't bother to ask the doctors for nicotine gum, because the pharmacy always makes such a big deal about getting it versus the patch, a nicotine replacement I absolutely don't care for. I did ok, and I wasn't on any extra painkillers than I am at home, so I didn't feel intoxicated or "under the influence" enough not to care. I was hospitalized 3-4 days apiece 9 or 10 times from June 2011, to June 2012, and I didn't "feel" analogue cravings after June when I was adjusted to using WTA. Before that, I snuck my KGO with clearomizers into the hospital 2 or 3 times, and almost always smuggled in my own nicotine gum before I started vaping in late January 2012 and a few times after. The pharmacy got some nicotine gum from another hospital that was past expiration date and hard as a rock numerous times, and they hate doing the paperwork to get it in, since most patients will comply with the nicotine patches I dislike so much. They purposely take longer than 24 hours to get the gum to my nurse, so it's a waste of time mostly, It's practically time for me to go home by the time they get it in. They get my other meds they don't keep in stock up to her vault much faster, it's a matter of letting me know what they don't prioritize in my opinion.

Compared to nicotine-only e-liquid, I vape way less with WTA. If you are going to be addicted to nicotine, by all means I think vaping is better for me, but I prefer to vape WTA than nicotine-only, it just makes sense to feel less jittery, less craving. I am calmer, I often forget to take my anti-anxiety medication, something I don't want to keep taking long term anyway. And I don't see unicorns, as they say, or feel under the influence of anything from vaping WTA.

I hope that made sense.
 
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When I smoked analogues, I could put one out in the ashtray, and crave lighting another one up just as soon as I finished the last one. With WTA, I have gotten comfortable leaving the home on short trips (less than 3 hours) without bringing any with me, I could never do that with analogues. Sometimes I will stay busy doing something for 4, 5, or 6 hours or longer and forget to vape my WTA, something I couldn't do during my first 6 months of vaping nicotine-only juice.

I will say that I purposely order enough WTA not to run out, knowing it's there is sort of a feeling of security in itself. Knowing I have it, and I have some more coming every 30 days, (+/-), sort of takes the desperate fear out of me that I am going to have a nicotine jones and pull my hair out, or hurt someone who stands in my way. I did go through a brief period when I first switched from regular nicotine-only fruit, coffee, vanilla/tobacco flavored juices to the WTA Red Tail approximately last May, when I was vaping it like a fiend, because the nicotine I was vaping from other vendors just didn't take away my cigarette craving. I always felt like something was missing, and so I would vape often and a lot to chase that satisfaction that never quite arrived. But I am finding that as the months go by, since switching to WTA my craving is less and less. I know the WTA will be there and make any cravings stop, but every month I like the odor of analogues less and less, and can't imagine going back to analogues and having the odor on my breath and clothing and hair.

So if I define addictiveness as physical dependency to a substance with an ever-increasing tolerance to achieve the same affect as desired in the beginning, by that definition I would not say WTA is "addictive," or causes physical dependency. On the other hand, I don't know if I could yet defeat the argument that I don't have a psychological dependency of some sort to WTA, but anyone who has struggled with addictions has experienced, physical dependency is a lot bigger monkey to get off your back, than a psychological desire to enjoy something. For example, morphine or opiate painkillers vs. Juicy-Fruit gum.

I just don't get the severe physical jonesing with WTA anymore like I did when I was smoking analogues, or vaping nicotine-only e-liquid. I haven't yet tried to go 24 hours without it to see how I responded, so I can't speak on how that would affect me yet. Actually yes I can. I stayed 3 days each in the hospital about 4 seperate times times since May 2012, and I didn't bother to ask the doctors for nicotine gum, because the pharmacy always makes such a big deal about getting it versus the patch, a nicotine replacement I absolutely don't care for. I did ok, and I wasn't on any extra painkillers than I am at home, so I didn't feel intoxicated or "under the influence" enough not to care. I was hospitalized 3-4 days apiece 9 or 10 times from June 2011, to June 2012, and I didn't "feel" analogue cravings after June when I was adjusted to using WTA. Before that, I snuck my KGO with clearomizers into the hospital 2 or 3 times, and almost always smuggled in my own nicotine gum before I started vaping in late January 2012 and a few times after. The pharmacy got some nicotine gum from another hospital that was past expiration date and hard as a rock numerous times, and they hate doing the paperwork to get it in, since most patients will comply with the nicotine patches I dislike so much. They purposely take longer than 24 hours to get the gum to my nurse, so it's a waste of time mostly, It's practically time for me to go home by the time they get it in. They get my other meds they don't keep in stock up to her vault much faster, it's a matter of letting me know what they don't prioritize in my opinion.

Compared to nicotine-only e-liquid, I vape way less with WTA. If you are going to be addicted to nicotine, by all means I think vaping is better for me, but I prefer to vape WTA than nicotine-only, it just makes sense to feel less jittery, less craving. I am calmer, I often forget to take my anti-anxiety medication, something I don't want to keep taking long term anyway. And I don't see unicorns, as they say, or feel under the influence of anything from vaping WTA.

I hope that made sense.


Thank you for your input and I think others feel the same way.
 
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