WTA help from expeirenced users

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    People seem to vary on transitioning, many have no problem. Me, I know what you're talking about in that purified nic didn't entirely do it. I use a really low nic level now because it's just not that interesting by itself. Still have a half cig every few weeks too, it actually seems to help that long. I could see right away that I liked vaping more and that it was just a matter of wittling away the true addiction, of which nicotine is only one element of a chemical cocktail. It didn't need to be hurried because I could see it was just a matter of time. Not ideal but Easy.

    Tried wholecig WTA and did like it, this was already at the 2-3 cig/day stage and I went immediately to 1/day, but 10 ml didn't last long and yeah it's expensive. I hear it can be effective in small amounts and it was too bad I mostly vaped it up. ;)
     

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    Moved to General e-liquid from General vaping discussion. :)

    I'm glad that you got some very helpful answers and it was super kind of you to give Rose kudos on her thread. That was an amazing post, wasn't it? She done good! :D

    We really needed that post at that particular time. It helps to re-center people as to why ECF exists. To help others find answers. :wub:

    Have a marvelous Sunday!
     

    tattooer601

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    Thanks, I apologize for not posting in the proper area, but honestly I was hoping for maximum replies & kinda thought the General area was best for getting just that.

    @mcclintock
    Thanks a ton for your experience with WTA, it's my heart felt hope that the 60ml I'll have coming will allow me to get over the hump & honestly that I can use basic eliquid moving forward..

    Tgankyou all Snork has helped me quit a bit with selection & I will update my progress with Aromas 6mg WTA, in this thread.

    It's my sincere hope that I can make a total switch AGAIN but never go back to cigarette smoking,hopefully WTA will facilitate this effort & if so ILL SCREAM IT FROM ROOFTOPS and assist others that also run into this "Missing Link" phenomenon.
    Take care all hopefully Aromas shipping is quik ;)
     

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    Below is a link to a 10 page thread concerning WTA and first hand user experience aswell.
    I posting this link here in an effort to help others that feel the "something is Missing" from nicotine only vaping for SOME users,when making the switch from smoking to vaping.
    I've ordered from Aroma and will report back to this thread my personal results,in a once again effort to help others who find themselves in similar situations.
    Thanks again I'll post again once my Aroma WTA arrives,take care

    Can you share your Whole Tobacco Alkaloid success stories?
     

    tattooer601

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    So today's the day .... I await the WTA from Aroma.

    For the record: ahemm.

    I had quit cigarettes totally for 1 month and played up down games with nicotine,wattage,mods & gear.

    My issue is my mood & I couldn't get a satisfied feeling from vaping,even with exhausting every option I could come up with.
    I'd started having terrible depression & uncontrollable mood swings, it's odd to me I made it a month and COULDN'T take it.
    My choices where to try ciggarettes again or be a crying/ ...... person that is/was sleeping my ... off at all the wrong times....tough stuff.
    So I smoked...I'd rather die comfortable than on the brink of needing a psych ward.

    I didn't smoke yesterday or today but I had started smoking 4-6 cigarettes a day to combat this issue.
    I'll report back as soon as I get the WTA today,at this point I'd REALLY LIKE A CIGARETTE,I'm hoping the WTA will give me an effect that drives me over the edge & gives me that lil bit or needed confidence & honestly fills the void.
    Thanks to ya all...
     

    snork

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    Rose,
    Have you used the "base wta" before? Any experience mixing it?
    I make my own eliquid,I enjoy doing it and it's cheaper,so I've always made my own.

    When the company's that sell WTA describe the extract, no one seems to give a Milligram/.ml measurment,they only offer the nicotine strength, is there a "industry standard" Mg/ml, that I'm unaware of?

    I had missed this post before.
    With Aroma for example, he tests the final mix for nicotine only. The minor alkaloids are an additional fraction. So to make it simplistic, say you have an unflavored VG WTA mixed at 1% nicotine. Since the additional alkaloids comprise (roughly) X% of the total nicotine/minor alkaloid ratio, you'd be looking at a solution which contains 1% nicotine plus .0X% minor alkaloids, which further could be broken down to percentages of each minor alkaloid.
    I think that's a pretty good...guess and I might be slightly wrong. The thing to remember is that WTA is a naturally occurring result and can vary due to differences in tobacco strains, sources, even individual plants. You take tobacco and extract the nicotine and WTA with no further tweakage or processing. The WTA producers take pains to ensure some consistency but it will never be entirely consistent unless some exact formula were concocted and all constituent ingredients were isolated individually and inserted accordingly. DVap and Jerry have been on record as being opposed to this approach as it basically means pharmaceutical manufacturing rather than a natural extraction.

    So today's the day .... I await the WTA from Aroma.

    For the record: ahemm.

    I had quit cigarettes totally for 1 month and played up down games with nicotine,wattage,mods & gear.

    My issue is my mood & I couldn't get a satisfied feeling from vaping,even with exhausting every option I could come up with.
    I'd started having terrible depression & uncontrollable mood swings, it's odd to me I made it a month and COULDN'T take it.
    My choices where to try ciggarettes again or be a crying/ ...... person that is/was sleeping my ... off at all the wrong times....tough stuff.
    So I smoked...I'd rather die comfortable than on the brink of needing a psych ward.

    I didn't smoke yesterday or today but I had started smoking 4-6 cigarettes a day to combat this issue.
    I'll report back as soon as I get the WTA today,at this point I'd REALLY LIKE A CIGARETTE,I'm hoping the WTA will give me an effect that drives me over the edge & gives me that lil bit or needed confidence & honestly fills the void.
    Thanks to ya all...

    What equipment do you plan on using it with?
     
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    I had missed this post before.
    With Aroma for example, he tests the final mix for nicotine only. The WTAs are an additional fraction. So to make it simplistic, say you have an unflavored VG WTA mixed at 1% nicotine. Since the additional alkaloids comprise (roughly) X% of the total nicotine/WTA ratio, you'd be looking at a solution which contains 1% nicotine plus .0X% WTAs, which further could be broken down to percentages of each minor alkaloid.
    I think that's a pretty good...guess and I might be slightly wrong. The thing to remember is that WTA is a naturally occurring result and can vary due to differences in tobacco strains, sources, even individual plants. You take tobacco and extract the nicotine and WTA with no further tweakage or processing. The WTA producers take pains to ensure some consistency but it will never be entirely consistent unless some exact formula were concocted and all constituent ingredients were isolated individually and inserted accordingly. DVap and Jerry have been on record as being opposed to this approach as it basically means pharmaceutical manufacturing rather than a natural extraction.



    What equipment do you plan on using it with?
    Thanks for the explanation of the Mg. Per .ml explanation.
    I obviously am asking for economical reasons,for my concern of price and my ability to use the product long term if needed.

    Being the leaf is extracted then the nicotine us added to bring up to desired strength,the eta content is the same per .ml reguardless of strength nicotine, correct?

    FWIW, There's a company that replied to my question of WTA/ per .ml & their answer was/is 50 mg/ml, they'll remain unnamed because their not a sponser on this site.
    Their response illicuted my question.

    So off the tiny details and onto:
    I'll be using a Griffin RTA @ .5 usually around 26-36 watts
    and my game plan is to use the WTA straight for an hour, in an attempt to notice any minor feeling / effect of "The missing Link"

    Regardless of any minor feeling that's noticed it not, I plan to used Aroma's WTA in the morning for a decent length if time ( a hour or so), then to use a bit mid day and at night.
    Obviously this being a minor alkaloid that I believe I'm missing, It's definite effect probably won't become super apparent right away, if it us Super apparent I'll definitely be happy simply because it'll make me feel like it's a feasible "fix".
    I'll definitely report back, it's important to me that this be properly explained and represented, for others to grasp.All other areas I can find simply mention WTA and say it doesn't do anything or its described as simply helpful, there should be more explanation to help others.
    I want this to help & expect nothing dramatic, ill have it in a few hours and have my Griffin awaiting its arrival :), wish me much man,I've wanted to try WTA since the beginnings of its development, I was vaping 36mg with hiccups in 2009 on a ego & wasn't getting it, now's my chance to try it for myself.
    .Thanks again for the help, ill be back...slow ... postal dude :)
     
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    Being the leaf is extracted then the nicotine us added to bring up to desired strength,the eta content is the same per .ml reguardless of strength nicotine, correct?
    Oooh, we might going to go off on a confusing road.
    From the best of my understanding and for my one particular vendor, for the unflavored WTA the nicotine you get is part and parcel of the same isolation undertaken for the WTA. In other words, the WTA is Whole Tobacco Alkaloids, *including* the nicotine, as nature provides it.
     
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    Very true Snork, this is a natural plant alkaloid, so ya get whatever nature had in the leaf :) .

    I look foward to the MAIL MAN coming.....slow fella today.

    @Robino1

    Thanks I really want this thread to help others with WTA & the true understanding of its theoretical purposes..
    Thanks for checking out my thread,
    Whatchout Snork there a lady watching :)
     
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    So today's the day .... I await the WTA from Aroma.

    For the record: ahemm.

    I had quit cigarettes totally for 1 month and played up down games with nicotine,wattage,mods & gear.

    My issue is my mood & I couldn't get a satisfied feeling from vaping,even with exhausting every option I could come up with.
    I'd started having terrible depression & uncontrollable mood swings, it's odd to me I made it a month and COULDN'T take it.
    My choices where to try ciggarettes again or be a crying/ ...... person that is/was sleeping my ... off at all the wrong times....tough stuff.
    So I smoked...I'd rather die comfortable than on the brink of needing a psych ward.

    I didn't smoke yesterday or today but I had started smoking 4-6 cigarettes a day to combat this issue.
    I'll report back as soon as I get the WTA today,at this point I'd REALLY LIKE A CIGARETTE,I'm hoping the WTA will give me an effect that drives me over the edge & gives me that lil bit or needed confidence & honestly fills the void.
    Thanks to ya all...

    I completely understand the moods. The last time I tried to quit without vaping, it was just hideous. My two main moods were an unrelenting despair (profound misery), and anger. I'm a very upbeat person with a happy disposition normally, so this was very hard to take. And my poor, poor husband ...

    After six months of that, I started smoking again. I thought I'd rather die of a smoking-related disease than to live my life in such misery. I 100% understand what you're saying.

    Quitting with vaping, and some WTA on the side has been completely different. No change in moods at all. I hope it will be the same for you.

    I would advise that you just use the WTA when you need it though. Using it as an all day vape will get expensive. AndriaD, a WTA expert here on ECF, started using it all the time, and advised me NOT to do that. It worked for me and my husband that way, and we're still on our first 30ml bottle.

    Good luck though, however you use it. Life is too short to be miserable while trying to get healthy.
     

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    I'm surprised the "keep your hands busy" posts have not shown up.

    Many articles on WTAS and their efficacy or lack thereof.

    My advice to the OP. Seek professional help medical or otherwise.

    Attempts to solve grave medical issues on an open Internet forum would be my last method.
    Relax. This guy knows what he's doing.
     
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    Ok....Hmmm
    There's a distinct difference with WTA nicotine compared to nicotine only base liquid.
    After using it for 30 minutes or so there a calming effect, that's obvious compaired to nicotine only eliquid.
    I was/am surprised to notice any effect at all,simply from reviews I've over the last 4-5 years.
    For myself there's a synergy between nicotine & these minor alkaloids it's evident in 'minor' sensation & the basic commonality of stopping vaping because I feel satisfied.
    With Nicotine only eliquid I couldn't stop vaping nonstop & I constant hit the vaporizer....again and again (Vape race).
    With this WTA base nicotine, there's a feeling of satisfaction/ contentment, much like finishing a cigarette, just the analogy that I 'feel satisfied alone' is huge, I've never felt that from basic eliquid.
    Ok cons are simply price, so my goal is to use this on and off in hopes to feel satisfied vaping until I make a transition to plain nicotine only eliquid.
    Pros, are really clear here, there's a level if satisfaction that's obvious when using WTA, there's definitely a place for this in the eciggarette/ vaporizer market that should be discussed openly to help long term smokers make the transition.
    To me the MAIN THING to concider here is that if a person has been smoking for knocking 30 years,these minor alkaloids "could" play a larger effect for many & by all means are worth the consideration to get someone totally off combustible tobacco.
    Lastly, for myself I see 2 major changes
    1.The ability to cut my nicotine dosage in half & still have the satisfied feeling.
    2.Reduce the amount of vaping I'm doing as a whole over the span of a day.
    I waited until this morning to see if after a nights sleep if I again felt the same or similar "complete" feeling & yes I do, ill post back as I keep going with any user tips I come up with that help me using WTA.
    Thanks to all you guys for your help ,suggestions & tips.
    Thank AROMA for selling WTA & for a lil 10 .ml if their infused WTA Rum flavor eliquid I'll try and post here aswell as for their quik shipping.
    C-yall soon o_O
     

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    We don't know why some need the extra that WTA has and some don't. Just as there are those smokers that smoke 2+ packs a day and there are those that only smoke 1/2 pack a day...and everything in between.

    If a person doesn't need that extra, we aren't going to see the difference that WTA provides. So yeah, I can see how those would say that WTA does nothing for them. I can even see if a person needs more than what the WTA's can provide. We Are All Different.

    I would never suggest that a new vaper start with a WTA. *That should only be suggested when someone is truly struggling.* <~~*my personal opinion and not something that should be considered an ECF stance.*

    I'm glad that the WTA seems to be working out for you.

    Important thread right here :)
     

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    Hello everyone...
    Quik background:
    I joined ECF sometime in 2009 ,possibly early 2010..
    Back then my wife and I both quit smoking with ecigs, my wife had absolutely no problem switching however for me I had GIANT issues.
    This was during the time some of the members here where discovering the "Something is Missing" concept that was developed onto what US now commonly called Whole Tobacco Alkaloids.
    Back then these where first being developed by Dvap.
    Well I quit try to quit smoking, because Snus was to expensive and hard to get in the US and WTA wasn't readily available either.

    Fast foward:

    So here I am late last year trying to make the switch again...
    Each time I fall into a deep depression around 3-6 weeks into totally quitting smoking...
    Most recently I quit for 1 solid month and started once again to fall into the same depressed state and I gave up for a while .
    I've been smoking and vaping the last 4 days and I don't want to smoke,but I honestly don't have a choice,my depression isn't the I'm tired and don't feel good it's total utter dispair.
    So I started smoking again 4 days ago (after 30 daysno cig)& obviously cigarettes taste awful after vaping for a month.
    So obviously the alkaloids in tobacco are my issues and they seem to do 2 things regulate my mood and have a antidepressant quality.
    I'm trying not to give up totally again and need WTA help,suggestions and recommendations.
    If ANYONE has real experience with WTA,please tell your story and help me understand how to use them.
    If WTA is used constantly and is expensive,I won't be able to use it long term and may have to just smoke because of any mental illness and if that's the case there's no sence in me trying anything else and just smoke.
    I Vape 6mg sub ohm, and always feel like something is missing, would I have to use WTA all the time?
    I'm forced to diy my own eliquid because of disability and lack of money, could bi use WTA in my diy?
    Most of all does my story sound like the case book WTA story? Really I need help,so I don't just give up all over again.
    I don't expect medical advise only to see if my "missing something" sounds like WTA to most of your all?
    Thanks for your time and suggestions, I'd much rather Vape, but can't afford to
    Vape and use Smokeless tobacco and I hope WTA, could be my final answer to the struggle...thanks to you all.

    6 - 8 weeks coincidentally is when the body is just starting to detox itself from the years of 800 toxic chemicals, I will have to admit your depression symptoms at that stage doesn't sound "standard" headache, lack of focus, chronic fatigue, etc. Nicotine in itself delivers anxiety, so i would not recommend a higher mg and definitely seek out anti depression help, it's not always about medicating yourself either, ever herd of nlp therapy.
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    Now hear is the truth ..............
    https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/some-notes-on-nicotine-absorption-addictiveness-and-
    maois.45843/
     
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