WTA liquids and % PG content

[KENNY V]

Dear Aroma representative . in the past it was discovered that i had severe allergic reactions from PG content found in e juice .
Because of all the side effects /withdrawals from quitting smoking its was hard to differentiate what was causing all the issues.Well after exhausting all avenues it was found to be from the smallest amount of PG content found in all juice manufactures.


On my first few orders i tried both product lines Aroma and Retail than after discovered that the PG line was a problem i recorded a large amount from the Redtail product line. However through some research it was found they even contains a small amount of PG through the manufacturing process.

Can you confirm that statement and verify the amount in percents PG content thats is in the retail line?

Is it possible to get Red tail line with Zero PG content?
Also can you provide the WTA concentrate to make my own e juice ? or am i left in the dust as with returning to smoking to get the WTA's that i need daily to fair well

Ps i have already exhausted Snus/ snuff at this time and they are not a possible option


thanks kindly for your reply

 

[FL Lori]

Kenny I have the same problem. I emailed them and am waiting for an answer. Did you ever ever get an answer???

 

[snork]

Maybe it would be more expedient to find a juice vendor who provides 100% VG juice flavors and ask them to start manufacturing WTA and adding it to their product.

 

[FL Lori]

Maybe it would be more expedient to find a juice vendor who provides 100% VG juice flavors and ask them to start manufacturing WTA and adding it to their product.

Since so few companies offer WTA I bet most venders don't want to get involved with it.

 

[KENNY V]

never got an answered after about 10-12 attempts. ( the other guy did write but he can NOT accommodate) ........ left in the smoke.... from what I understand the process is not ez to extract the WTA's . However if any wanted to do so they can make sure its done with purity but have to change compounds It can be done .. and should to make sure anyone everyone can use without an issue . But its rare folks have those issues ....
..like everything else its all about the money/ sales ...convenience in the majority of sales
... Lori I replied to ure Pm

 

[FL Lori]

Thanks Kenny. Got it

 

[KENNY V]

Maybe it would be more expedient to find a juice vendor who provides 100% VG juice flavors and ask them to start manufacturing WTA and adding it to their product.

that is not an option yet ...spent extensive time finding out .. again on last 10-12 attempts was left in da smoke...
was NOT a good experience ..o--well over a month of Withdrawals and on top of it had all the other symptoms and reactions to the PG ...

was horrible would not wish on anyone . Now i have $ 700 worth of equip and juice ..o well Sorry i had to return for my WTA's now it cost me about $30 a month ( saving over $ 150 so RYO organic tobacco what im doing now Btw no more hack or cough . dont wana smoke but have no choice ..ill give it a whirl again but from that experience not in much of hurry cuz i feel normal again...

 

[FL Lori]

that is not an option yet ...spent extensive time finding out .. again on last 10-12 attempts was left in da smoke...
was NOT a good experience ..o--well over a month of Withdrawals and on top of it had all the other symptoms and reactions to the PG ...

was horrible would not wish on anyone . Now i have $ 700 worth of equip and juice ..o well Sorry i had to return for my WTA's now it cost me about $30 a month ( saving over $ 150 so RYO organic tobacco what im doing now Btw no more hack or cough . dont wana smoke but have no choice ..ill give it a whirl again but from that experience not in much of hurry cuz i feel normal again...

Pg juice is easy and available. hope you can find one that will satisfy you

 

[KENNY V]

need a Juice that has WTA's with 0 PG
Or need WTA concentrate w/ again made with 0 PG content .

Need to have O % PG even in a VG base made e liquid this is the only info I have so far (Aroma line is PG based at 70/30 ratios, and our Red Tail is VG based at 90/10 ratios)


Btw from what I understand there is at least 5 %-10% content even in unflavored WTA for the DIY folks
so until I here otherwise no such thing is available yet... so us folks who have PG issues are left to the way side in the smoke

 

[FL Lori]

need a Juice that has WTA's with 0 PG
Or need WTA concentrate w/ again made with 0 PG content .

Need to have O % PG even in a VG base made e liquid this is the only info I have so far (Aroma line is PG based at 70/30 ratios, and our Red Tail is VG based at 90/10 ratios)


Btw from what I understand there is at least 5 %-10% content even in unflavored WTA for the DIY folks
so until I here otherwise no such thing is available yet... so us folks who have PG issues are left to the way side in the smoke

Me too.

 

[aaron fire]

I had problems with PG at first, so I tried juice with the highest % of VG (BWB Malty: 70% VG/30% PG) and it was better. Then I tried the Aroma Red Tail and found it to work well. After I had success with high VG juice, I went back and tried PG juices and realized they weren't as problematic as they had been.

I had problems with vaping either PG or VG when I first started vaping. Even when I smoke now and then switch back to vaping, I tend to choke and cough for the first few drags, and then it changes.
If I had determined to give up on vaping because of my initial difficulties, I'd be back to smoking 2 packs a day.
By sticking with it, I can now vape any combination of PG/VG with any real problems.
Maybe it's just a matter of getting used to the change.

 

[KENNY V]

I had problems with PG at first, so I tried juice with the highest % of VG (BWB Malty: 70% VG/30% PG) and it was better. Then I tried the Aroma Red Tail and found it to work well. After I had success with high VG juice, I went back and tried PG juices and realized they weren't as problematic as they had been.

I had problems with vaping either PG or VG when I first started vaping. Even when I smoke now and then switch back to vaping, I tend to choke and cough for the first few drags, and then it changes.
If I had determined to give up on vaping because of my initial difficulties, I'd be back to smoking 2 packs a day.
By sticking with it, I can now vape any combination of PG/VG with any real problems.
Maybe it's just a matter of getting used to the change.

thats wonderful for you but doesn't sound like you had a PG sensitivity.. sounds like transition and leaning to vape. perhaps " inhale correctly"
Mine included head fog, clogged ears, brain freeze, the feeling u get when u get swollen glands, and in the same as an upper respiratory / ear ......infection , loss of sense of awareness . Dizzyness headache Head Clog / Fog Doppyness eyes, stoned feeling...... ..., flu- symptoms.
. and the list goes on .............. Sad thing .I didnt know how sensitive i was because of ALL THE SIMILAR withdrawal symptoms. goin on at the same time .Most folks didn't catch it...... ,was determined to quit and toughed it out.... It was hell


I pushed though ALL these symptoms for OVER 20 days ..In the mean while was not getting ANY WTA's.. Lost it man... then when i finally realized that part got some WTA base liquid . Once again all the symptoms remained, continued and got worse...... as i pushed though them only to find the missing WTA's from the new juice....... i keep trying and trying . I was under the impression that red tail line of Aroma WTA Juice was VG ONLY ..Boy was i wrong...... It took total striping my self down to nothing until it was ruled out .another Hell periopd. It was Withdrawals and PG reactions for over 20 days in a row...... And . PG was making me worse.... Worse part No one was available to tell me explain i could have been sensitive to even a small amount of PG from the get go...

Now i have over $700 of Juice and equipment with out and possibility of getting WTA e juice that is 100% PG FREE

 

[FL Lori]

thats wonderful for you but doesn't sound like you had a PG sensitivity.. sounds like transition and leaning to vape. perhaps " inhale correctly"
Mine included head fog, clogged ears, brain freeze, the feeling u get when u get swollen glands, and in the same as an upper respiratory / ear ......infection , loss of sense of awareness . Dizzyness headache Head Clog / Fog Doppyness eyes, stoned feeling...... ..., flu- symptoms.
. and the list goes on .............. Sad thing .I didnt know how sensitive i was because of ALL THE SIMILAR withdrawal symptoms. goin on at the same time .Most folks didn't catch it...... ,was determined to quit and toughed it out.... It was hell


I pushed though ALL these symptoms for OVER 20 days ..In the mean while was not getting ANY WTA's.. Lost it man... then when i finally realized that part got some WTA base liquid . Once again all the symptoms remained, continued and got worse...... as i pushed though them only to find the missing WTA's from the new juice....... i keep trying and trying . I was under the impression that red tail line of Aroma WTA Juice was VG ONLY ..Boy was i wrong...... It took total striping my self down to nothing until it was ruled out .another Hell periopd. It was Withdrawals and PG reactions for over 20 days in a row...... And . PG was making me worse.... Worse part No one was available to tell me explain i could have been sensitive to even a small amount of PG from the get go...

Now i have over $700 of Juice and equipment with out and possibility of getting WTA e juice that is 100% PG FREE

I didn't know either. I had all of your symptoms and attributed them to anything and everything else. The mouth sores came last. That was when someone suggested I may be allergic to pg. Went back to smoking until it cleared and tried again. Takes quite a while to clear. The other think is if I feel the effects coming even if I start vaping immediately it still runs its course. So even trying something that I am unsure of takes guts. I have also found a couple of venders that don't know the difference between VG and VG based. Aroma excluded! I took the chance and ordered 2 bottles last night to use to drip as I am freaking out. The I heard is it a ratio of 70/30. I hope not. Even the 30 is gonna do me in. I need to find out if the WTA is gonna make the difference.....

 

[KENNY V]

Dear Aroma representative . in the past it was discovered that i had severe allergic reactions from PG content found in e juice .
Because of all the side effects /withdrawals from quitting smoking its was hard to differentiate what was causing all the issues.Well after exhausting all avenues it was found to be from the smallest amount of PG content found in all juice manufactures.


On my first few orders i tried both product lines Aroma and Retail than after discovered that the PG line was a problem i recorded a large amount from the Redtail product line. However through some research it was found they even contains a small amount of PG through the manufacturing process.

Can you confirm that statement and verify the amount in percents PG content thats is in the retail line?

Is it possible to get Red tail line with Zero PG content?
Also can you provide the WTA concentrate to make my own e juice ? or am i left in the dust as with returning to smoking to get the WTA's that i need daily to fair well

Ps i have already exhausted Snus/ snuff at this time and they are not a possible option


thanks kindly for your reply

Bump ...Hoping to get a reply
thanks

***** also the word is out that a new supplier makes WTA liquid with a VG base *****
but know one knows for sure if it will be %100 VG . That would mean to not even contain a small % of PG in the process.
It is ashamed for the folks that are PG sensitive that at this point their is NOT a 0% VG liquid available . Even the small amount of PG in the VG base WTA liquid causes MAJOR reactions and side effects to the user.

 

[Ceegary]

Kenny, I feel your pain with allergies, I have experienced some myself but not with VG. Strangely, it was the worst with all VG and organic flavorings, so go figure.

At this stage, unfortunately Aroma can't help you out. Most flavorings do contain PG so it's not going to be easy, as you know. Unfortunately, Aroma is doing all we can to maintain supply for our range and we are not equipped or inclined to do custom orders, nor do we anticipate doing that in the future. I will however keep you on file and if we are ever able to fulfill your specifications, I will send you a PM.

 

[KENNY V]

Kenny, I feel your pain with allergies, I have experienced some myself but not with VG. Strangely, it was the worst with all VG and organic flavorings, so go figure.

At this stage, unfortunately Aroma can't help you out. Most flavorings do contain PG so it's not going to be easy, as you know. Unfortunately, Aroma is doing all we can to maintain supply for our range and we are not equipped or inclined to do custom orders, nor do we anticipate doing that in the future. I will however keep you on file and if we are ever able to fulfill your specifications, I will send you a PM.

I been informed by other representatives that is not true it is possible to get 100 % PG free WTA' juice ???
than if memory serves me right I spoke direct with Jerry few months ago and he said NO ONE can do that so what is it ?? it can be done or can NOT be done???

Now don't know whats with all the politics I just wanted to quit smoking. Lets get this out in the open . is that statement true and does that still apply with UNFLAVORED WTA concentrate???

THANKS For replying

Btw I still have 12 BRAND new UNOPENED Bottles OF WTA VG base still in package still in shipping box .receipt ect..... can you do anything with them pos exchange for the WTA concentrates?
thanks again ...

 

[Ceegary]

It is not purely a question of what is possible, there are many more factors than that. Aroma is not a research lab for hire, nor are we able to customize our operation for individual cases. Jerry has patiently spent a lot of time with you trying to help. Again; at this stage, we are unable to help you with your individual request. If that changes in the future, I will contact you.

 

[KENNY V]

It is not purely a question of what is possible, there are many more factors than that. Aroma is not a research lab for hire, nor are we able to customize our operation for individual cases. Jerry has patiently spent a lot of time with you trying to help. Again; at this stage, we are unable to help you with your individual request. If that changes in the future, I will contact you.

Um !!!!!!!! NOT SO when Jerry reached out I was 70-80% loosing it by quilting smoking ... Yes I appreciate he made the effort to do so...

However when I finally revived the FIRST batch of WTA's I wrote called posted called Pmed . Yes 20-50 times . 2-3 replies during the crash.... but never a follow up......Wrote called both personal phone and Company Business phone .. at that point I was in e mail contact (ONE OR TWO TIMES) but NEVER had a follow up.. I know he was going though rough stuff However I was left to sort out MAJOR ISSES which I had NO IDEA what was happening . All this while having MAJOR REACTIONS to ANY/ ALL PG base liquids .. So each time I tried to sort out my issues w/out contact I then proceeded to order product 3 more times .

Bottom line Till this day I was not given the courtesy call follow up... or explanation as to what could have happened..or a possible solution . . all the while .



First request for help

Hey Kenny,

This is Jerry the owner of Aroma. I left a few messages the last couple of days. Yesterday it was on your voice mail I believe, and the day before with a woman who answered the phone. I will set you up with ….
snip......

Tell me what you want to try and we will put a order together for you.

-
Note :
During the time I lost it called him directly about 50 times, PM/ emailed and kept it off of the forums .. Not once with out an courtesy reply . Ordered the Red tail line ONLY Non PG base liquid

2nd request for help
. To whom it may concern,.I have ordered your product in the past. and. would like to order again.. First i am interested in finding out the % of VG PG base used in each. product line that you sell. both. Aroma and. Red tail . i am interesting in placing an order but would like to get flavoring. with 0mg. Nicotine however still with. the WTA added
.that way i can cut down. the juice. and still have WTA in it

.is this possible to get some info. because i would like to place an order . However i have tried to call a few times with no response. or call back .. left a few messages too . I i am writing this email. to at least see if i can get some costumer service and a reply back
3rd request for help

.Jerry can use your hep need to re order. Juice in. Prob ALL. VG base and throw all the other juices out..at this point. I and need to rule out and sensitivity ... Please man get in touch with me

NO FOLOW UP TILL 2-3 WEEKS LATER
last requests to sort this out

I am in the process AGAIN of ruling out any intolerance I suspect that PG bases are the issues...However I WILL NOT KNOW till I rule out my clearo,s and carto's wicks or what ever the blank ity BLANK %%#$#@#@!!! is causing me so much turmoil. I filled NEW ones with VG only and will go from there . However I have to get my head back rid ALL MY juices and go from there...This has a nightmare because during the entire 3 week of withdrawals I had wrong juice wrong , most likely wrong base and was STARVING MY SELF of getting ANYTHING.. Jerry thats why i went ballistic. on top of all the other stuff.

sorry bro...

PLEASE CALL WRITE BACK OR SOMETHING

Kenny,

I just tried again and spoke with your wife Kim. Told her that you should call me when you get home.

So do you think you have a sensitivity to VG or PG?

What are the symptoms?

DON"T THROW ANYTHING AWAY....worse case you "pay it forward" to someone else or even sell them on the classified section.

Call me

Jerry

DIDN'T hear back for week or two.... At that point is when I finial ruled out PG being the culprit but it was too late .. cuz I posted what had happened to me on the forums.. many flue symptoms lasting for 4-5 while my head being clogged . And that was the last I heard from him friend . It was an email that said chill ill get back to you..

I want to help you, and hope you can understand that I have "personal" stuff to handle as well and its hard to answer calls 24.7. I just need you to try get thru this hurdle and be positive.

Positive reviews and spreading the info helps everyone. However misinformation only puts us two steps back.

Hang in there bro,

Jerry

Yup Last correspondence and NOT EVEN and courtesy reply thereafter . .. .meanwhile I keep ordering his product. And things confidential . Btw I do want to mention that same day I posted ,i did go and edit all my posts regarding AF as prop-aline glycol . Yup and in all the meaning the reactions I did not bad mouth Anyone any procuts nor people only the fact that PG made me feel sick

.I went though this Hell alone .. ahamed no one ever gave a warning..as to what could have been going on..

I know this is a support forum and appreciate those who did reach out without Judging me as to what was going on.. . I had a rough time........ well my friend keep me informed love to know when WTA will be avail with 0 PG . Love to get the concentrate as well... I will be first in line to give it a try.

Thanks again for your understanding

 

[aikanae1]

need a Juice that has WTA's with 0 PG
Or need WTA concentrate w/ again made with 0 PG content .

Need to have O % PG even in a VG base made e liquid this is the only info I have so far (Aroma line is PG based at 70/30 ratios, and our Red Tail is VG based at 90/10 ratios)

Btw from what I understand there is at least 5 %-10% content even in unflavored WTA for the DIY folks
so until I here otherwise no such thing is available yet... so us folks who have PG issues are left to the way side in the smoke

Correct me if I'm not understanding this right, but are you saying that it's impossible to get WTA in a pure (meaning pg zero) VG base?

Thx.

 

[radiokaos]

Correct me if I'm not understanding this right, but are you saying that it's impossible to get WTA in a pure (meaning pg zero) VG base?

Thx.

I have a response but I will lock this thread until I can post a reply later today.