Wta

[kinabaloo]

I take issue with the sticky thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html

It is not true that the processing of snus removes more of the harmful toxins than WTA. Nor is it true that "we know nothing about the processing of WTA".

WTA is just the alkaloids from tobacco, nothing more, nothing less (to a high level of purity). Snus processing removes some toxins that's true, and it is indeed known to be (very) considerably safer than smoking. But it contains much more of the original tobacco than WTA; WTA is purer. Everythng in WTA (the alkaloids) is in snus too.

It doesn't make sense to talk of WTA as 'adding' anything; it removes more than snus.

For many, the appeal and hold of smoking is/was about more alkaloids than just nicotine. Looked at individually, and taking into account the mostly tiny quantities involved and none have been pointed to as a toxin in tobacco, nicotine would be the most 'harmful' of the alkaloids in WTA - so that puts it in perspective.

I don't know why ECF would take a stance that seems to caution against what could have a major impact on the success of vaping as a safer alternative for more people. It was, and remains, a folly to equate smoking with just nicotine.

 

[6pointprime]

A live discussion can be heard here:

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[kinabaloo]

A live discussion can be heard here:

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QUOTE: "A discussion of these highly controversial products will include an assessment of the arguments against WTA's that were discussed on the last episode of Vaporcast."

Complete idiocy. No better than those who like to ban PVs. So sad to see such raving lunacy.

 

[6pointprime]

I disagree. I think I stated good reasons for WTA's and Adam stated good reasons against them. Of course, I disagree with those reasons - but the live conversation was productive, in my opinion.

 

[kinabaloo]

There are NO arguments against that make any real sense.

It is like someone who managed to stop smoking with a nic patch saying e-cigs should be banned because the patch works !

Denying the safer alternative to around half the population could kill millions prematurely. Morally obscene!

WTA is very similar to nic-only e-liquid; the hysterical reaction at the mention of WTA is shocking.

BT knows that nic only vaping will have limited success; but that WTA would be BAD news (for them). I would have liked it if they had come on board as a liquid supplier; but like all junkies, they want it all and it's a win or lose conflict in their eyes. So either they want to keep WTA as their own ace, or they just want to bury it (the old BP tactic).

These people play real dirty. Don't trust nothing from no-one. If you know how the world really works ...

 

[pinellaspete]

Kinabaloo,

Answer me one question.
Is vaping safer with or without WTA?

Nuff said!
Case closed.

Pete

 

[6pointprime]

Kinabaloo,

Answer me one question.
Is vaping safer with or without WTA?

Nuff said!
Case closed.

Pete

Well you didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway

We don't know yet - there is no data.

The real question is, is vaping WTA safer than smoking cigarettes.

Case closed!

 

[AlmightyGod]

I'm in agreement with Russ on this one.

While WTA probably shouldn't be added to ALL e-liquid, it should be available for those who need it. Vaping is going to be regulated as a tobacco product. I see no harm in helping more people successfully switch to vaping through the use of WTA. It is, after all, a tobacco product.

 

[kinabaloo]

Kinabaloo,

Answer me one question.
Is vaping safer with or without WTA?

Nuff said!
Case closed.

Pete

Again you warp the facts. Nicotine is part of WTA (a big part of). WTA is a tobacco extract.

To answer the question : WTA is safer because it is more effective and so less is consumed.

 

[pinellaspete]

I can't believe you guys!

Where did you get the Kool-Aid and did somebody force you to drink it or did you do that on your own?
The reason for vaping is to NOT ingest cancer causing ingredients!
If you want cancer, keep smoking analogs!
If you want WTA, keep smoking analogs!

You are totally right about vaping becoming regulated.
It will be because of people like YOU!
I can predict the headlines now: FDA REGULATES E-CIGS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE INSIST ON ADDING CANCER CAUSING INGREDIENTS BACK INTO THEIR E-JUICE!

You guys really should start your own forum.
You don't belong here!
The great majority of people on this forum don't want anything to do with the cancer causing WTA.

I've asked before and I'll ask again...

Does WTA contain cancer causing ingredients?
Until you know the answer to that question, quit trying to put our lives in jeopardy!

Pete

 

[pinellaspete]

Kinabaloo,

Driving a car is dangerous.
Driving a car at 60 miles per hour is legal.
Driving a car at 150 miles per hour is NOT safer just because you get there faster and have to be in the car for a shorter amount of time!

Pete

 

[lawnman3]

ok can we be sure that wta is good for us at this point ?... have the studys been done to make sure its safe to vape ??

lawnman3...

 

[pinellaspete]

Lawnman3,

There haven't been ANY studies done on WTA!
There are many studies that concern the PURE NICOTINE that we vape.
Is PURE NICOTINE safe?
No.
Is it really harmful?
From what I understand, it is probably similar to caffeine in low dosages.
Not good for the heart, but not immediately life threatening.

WTA on the other hand....
Absolutely zero medical studies or documentation.
These WTA guys won't even tell us the process they use to extract it from tobacco.
All they ever say is "It contains additional ingredients that have been extracted from the tobacco along with the nicotine."
What are those ingredients you ask?
The WTA guys don't even know themselves.

All the WTA guys have to say is: "Just drink the Kool-Aid. Go ahead, it tastes good!"

Pete

 

[6pointprime]

Lawnman3,

There haven't been ANY studies done on WTA!

That's true - so how are you so sure that you already know the effects of vaporizing eliquid with WTA's?

Given your statement that there is no research that has been done - how do you come to your position based on a LACK of evidence?

 

[pinellaspete]

6pointprime,

How about Wikipedia for a start?

Alkaloid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aren't the one-eyed cyclops sheep cute?
How do you feel about your wife or girlfriend or sister vaping unknown alkaloids now?

Okay...Your turn.
Show me where you found out that alkaloids are safe.

Pete

 

[MaxUT]

You're right-- women who smoke tobacco with its inherent WTAs during their pregnancies often have one-eyed babies. What a tragedy!

And all because they didn't listen to you...

 

[AlmightyGod]

I can't believe you guys!

For what? Having an opinion different than yours?

Where did you get the Kool-Aid and did somebody force you to drink it or did you do that on your own?
The reason for vaping is to NOT ingest cancer causing ingredients!
If you want cancer, keep smoking analogs!
If you want WTA, keep smoking analogs!

I don't drink Kool-Aid...I'm a diet Dew guy.

I vape because smoking is a risk to my loved one's, not just me.
I also vape, because it tastes better and doesn't stink like a cigarette.
Cancer is not a forgone conclusion when you smoke.

My Father and Grandfather smoked for many years and didn't get cancer.
Cancer is quite possibly hereditary/genetic.

You are totally right about vaping becoming regulated.
It will be because of people like YOU!
I can predict the headlines now: FDA REGULATES E-CIGS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE INSIST ON ADDING CANCER CAUSING INGREDIENTS BACK INTO THEIR E-JUICE!

Hello?! Vaping is going to be regulated as a tobacco product by the FDA.
Already a done deal. We are waiting to see how they do it.
WTA may be regulated differently under whatever rules the FDA establishes.

You guys really should start your own forum.
You don't belong here!
The great majority of people on this forum don't want anything to do with the cancer causing WTA.

Why don't you go start a forum?
I've been here for a year and you are the first person to tell me I should leave.
If you've conducted a poll on what the members of the forum think of WTA, I'd love to see the criteria and results. I think people on this forum want people to switch to vaping successfully, because it is less harmful than smoking.

I've asked before and I'll ask again...

Does WTA contain cancer causing ingredients?
Until you know the answer to that question, quit trying to put our lives in jeopardy!

Pete

WTA is derived from tobacco, so it is no more harmful than smoking, whatever it's chemical makeup. Vaping with WTA is certainly less likely to cause emphysema or present a health hazard to others than what smoking does.

How does my vaping WTA put your life in jeopardy?

 

[6pointprime]

How do you feel about your wife or girlfriend or sister vaping unknown alkaloids now?

Actually, I bought some for my Dad. He vapes, but he has been unable to stop smoking cigarettes. I'm hoping that WTA eliquid will help him stop smoking.

It's pretty obvious that nobody is going to change your opinion here. That's ok. You have stated your opinion, I have made a purchase...and life goes on.

Wish me luck with Dad!

Thanks,

-Russ

 

[VadimGod]

im a noob at all this stuff...but...my question is...if we could smoke pure tobacco cigs (like they did in olden times)would that be horriible? Isn't it the other 2000-4000 chemicals that are added to smokes that we have the real issue with? just asking...not making a statement.

 

[6pointprime]

im a noob at all this stuff...but...my question is...if we could smoke pure tobacco cigs (like they did in olden times)would that be horriible? Isn't it the other 2000-4000 chemicals that are added to smokes that we have the real issue with? just asking...not making a statement.

Sup Brooklyn! Lower East Side in the house yo.

I think a lot of the problems come as a result of the fact that cigarettes require combustion.