Yes, I was a nonsmoker

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2corbies

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I’ll be the first to admit that I’m a complete idiot. I’m a nonsmoker and I just started vaping.

But I love it-- I love how it feels and tastes and smells. I know better, but I also know myself well enough to know that I'm going to keep doing it.

Any other idiot nonsmokers around here? And any thoughts on how I can minimize the damage to myself, my wallet, and the environment? (I’m thinking refillable cartomizers with 0 nic juice from reliable suppliers, etc.)
 

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Can I ask what made you start vaping in the first place? I was a smoker and tried to quit unsuccessfully multiple times until vaping. The only advice I can give is to buy a quality Mod (Provari) and a good tank with cartomizer. Although buying quality will cost more at first, you wont be dissapointed (which will result in you spending more trying to find what you want) plus you can count that the quality stuff will last much longer than the cheapo stuff. I really like the IBTanked complete tank kits and their cartomizers are really good too imo. Good luck!
 

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I think vaping is much more attractive to a non-smoker than smoking is to a non-smoker... If that makes sense.

Good flavors and an enjoyable sensation without the stink and stigma.

Not to me, back when I was 17.

Vaping is a PITA, lots of fiddling and experimenting. Good thing I'm a nerd. AND it does not give me a rush and huge lift in mood, the nicotine absorption is too delayed. I would not have started vaping, it would have been smoking or nothing. Now, if vaping had existed back then I might have managed to quit smoking after 10-15 years instead of 40, which would have been good because doctors at the FDA meeting said 20 pack-years is a boundary after which you are MUCH more at risk than before that boundary.

All vaping is good for to me is letting me say "I don't need a cigarette just this moment." --yes, I enjoy it, but that's after 40 years of synapse training to link smoking to the reward center of my brain.

The only other reasonable use for vaping I've seen anybody suggest is as an alternative to sweets. Now, that makes sense to me. But it should be 0 nic as folks here have said, and really should be accompanied by some decent blood sugar discipline --even non-hypoglycemics can try to eat foods that stabilize blood sugar over the hours rather than give a fast peak.
 

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Can I ask what made you start vaping in the first place? I was a smoker and tried to quit unsuccessfully multiple times until vaping. The only advice I can give is to buy a quality Mod (Provari) and a good tank with cartomizer. Although buying quality will cost more at first, you wont be dissapointed (which will result in you spending more trying to find what you want) plus you can count that the quality stuff will last much longer than the cheapo stuff. I really like the IBTanked complete tank kits and their cartomizers are really good too imo. Good luck!

Thanks for the advice!

Honestly, I'm surprised I never started smoking. I've got a mad oral fixation, I fidget all the time, and I have a fondness for strong smells (always have incense burning). I like the smell of tobacco, I just don't like the smell of cigarette smoke, especially if it's stale.

In the last year lots of my smoker friends have switched to vaping. I was around it and the downside was no longer enough to stop me from trying it out. The behavioral and sense components were enough to get me hooked.
 
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I don't like it; I don't get it, but welcome to the forum. I think 0 mg nic is a good choice. I am a fan of cartomizers. They're cheap and easy to deal with. I am sure you are not the only never-smoking vaper on the forum, and I'm sure there are plenty of ex-smoking vapers that are idiots. :laugh: I don't see someone who is not using nic or who has not ever had the hand-to-mouth habit of smoking keeping up vaping long-term, though. There's hassle and money involved that I would think outweigh the novelty of rolling around tasty vapor in your mouth. For suppliers, stick with registered ECF vendors and check out their reviews. There is a list if you scroll down the forum main page; they each have their own sub-forum.
 

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I smoke tobacco pipes once or twice a month an enjoy an occasional cigar or cigarette at bachelor parties and such. I believe, in that kind of moderation, the negative health effects are negligible. I haven't been able to find conclusive science to prove this as all studies that I'm able to find are focused on chain smokers and the only response I can find to very occasional smokers is "Don't do it or you'll certainly become a chain smoker!". I have, somehow, miraculously defied science by remaining an occasional smoker now for about 7 years.


I'm just getting into vaping as I enjoy the fact that I can "smoke" year round, indoors & out, and I'm able to be creative in modding, adjusting, building, etc. Apart from real studies on vaping without nicotine (perhaps some exist, I haven't looked), I can only speculate that the effects are fairly negligible. In my non-expert opinion it's fairly harmless akin to having a bit of whiskey before bed or living in a smoggy city. Therefore, I'm excited to explore the hobby and have encouraged others to do so as well.


Additionally - it may be arguable that the habit can be beneficial when used to deliver medicinals like chamomile and other helpful herbs.


Just my 2 cents - o/
 

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My story is much like yours. I have never smoked, but got started vaping a couple of months ago. Probably for the same reasons, though I am not sure why I did. I know a number of people on here think that it is wrong, and I would agree with them if you were using nicotine. But if you are using 0 nic then I do not see it as any worse than a number of things you could get involved with.
 

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I think it's likely that many former smokers who dislike the idea of vaping by non-smokers are drawing psychological boundaries based on herd identity (i.e., us vs. them thinking), so that non-smokers who vape are invading a mental territory that ex-smokers have reserved for themselves in order to justify their behavior. In effect they're saying, "I vape because it helped me quit smoking. What's your excuse?"

Of course, one can never know, because nearly everybody denies that sort of thinking, because everyone wants to be seen as arriving at reasonable conclusions for sensible reasons.

Personally, I don't feel I a need to justify myself when it comes to vaping, and I think that it's great that you enjoy it, too. It's great fun! Welcome to ECF, all of you -- ex-smokers and never-smokers alike!
 

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The addiction to smoking is a VERY complex one....and involves many things.
One is the addiction to Nicotene.
Another is the Comfort Ritual. The Hand to Mouth, the 'Smoking Break', the 'when' we smoke- 'first one in the morning'-'coffee and a cig', 'a drink and a cig', when we accomplish sonething-when we are frustrated at something.

Vaping satisfies both- the nic that we need- and the ritual we have developed.
What is lost is the stinky burning tobacco- and the many 'costs' that incures.

I see no harm in vaping.
I see no harm in a very small dose of nicotene, in adults over 21 years old- 1 mg/ml or less- 0mg/ml would be best.
( It may prove to be a benefit someday- I think so.)

These are only my Non-Medical opinions- Consult your Physician.
 

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I’ll be the first to admit that I’m a complete idiot. I’m a nonsmoker and I just started vaping.

But I love it-- I love how it feels and tastes and smells. I know better, but I also know myself well enough to know that I'm going to keep doing it.

Any other idiot nonsmokers around here? And any thoughts on how I can minimize the damage to myself, my wallet, and the environment? (I’m thinking refillable cartomizers with 0 nic juice from reliable suppliers, etc.)

You are not an idiot for doing something you find pleasurable. Now if you were playing chicken with cars, you would be an idiot LOL.
 

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I don't know, it doesn't bother me that a non-smoker might want to start vaping. I mean, at some point we were non-smokers who made a choice to begin smoking. Now THAT was stupid. Yeah, vaping's not the safest and healthiest choice (versus fresh air). Neither is eating a Big Mac. We're all adults, to each their own. *shrug*
 
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I think it's likely that many former smokers who dislike the idea of vaping by non-smokers are drawing psychological boundaries based on herd identity (i.e., us vs. them thinking), so that non-smokers who vape are invading a mental territory that ex-smokers have reserved for themselves in order to justify their behavior. In effect they're saying, "I vape because it helped me quit smoking. What's your excuse?"

Of course, one can never know, because nearly everybody denies that sort of thinking, because everyone wants to be seen as arriving at reasonable conclusions for sensible reasons.

Personally, I don't feel I a need to justify myself when it comes to vaping, and I think that it's great that you enjoy it, too. It's great fun! Welcome to ECF, all of you -- ex-smokers and never-smokers alike!

Nobody needs to justify themselves for vaping, but WHO and the EU and the FDA and Canada and a whole bunch of other organizations want to take vaping away from us, giving "Non-smokers might start vaping" as their reason. So even if it's none of my business whether someone starts vaping or not, I'm SURE not going to get caught promoting it...it would get cut-and-pasted into an FDA report and used to ban us.

In addition, I think humans have evolved SOME smoke resistance over the last million years (campfires) but the things in vapor, though OK to eat, might or might not be a big surprise to our bodies that, though not as harmful as cigarette smoking, are still non-trivial. The ANTZ folks are scared of nicotine and scared of "looking like smoking" which I think is absolutely ridiculous, but as a former biology major I'm more scared of the novelty of vaping. To me it seems more like Frankenfoods. They might be OK, but they're out of the realm of what we evolved with, so I think we should all think twice. For instance, the fact that it is dehydrating makes me worry about kidneys, but I know my kidneys are fine and my lungs have 40 years damage, so I think that's a good trade. Like over-using new brakes to spare wear-and-tear on the clutch.

So, if someone would have otherwise smoked, IMO vaping is better, and the OP might well have ended up smoking. But people should go into vaping with their eyes open.

To me, the other side of "Leave us alone to make our own adult choices" is to let other adults know the details of those choices and not mislead them into thinking it's no big deal. Then they choose.

But as far as the general attitude of vapers to non-smokers starting to vape, it's not herd mentality, it's stark terror.

If a court ever tells the FDA to leave us the heck alone, I'll relax.

So, OP and others: Welcome to the ECF! But don't tell anybody I said so!
 

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Nobody needs to justify themselves for vaping, but WHO and the EU and the FDA and Canada and a whole bunch of other organizations want to take vaping away from us, giving "Non-smokers might start vaping" as their reason. So even if it's none of my business whether someone starts vaping or not, I'm SURE not going to get caught promoting it...it would get cut-and-pasted into an FDA report and used to ban us.

Why weren't cigarettes banned when i picked up one of my dad's cigarette butts at age 5 and lit it and tried to smoke it? why not when i started smoking every day after school at age 12? and again at 13 when i started smoking regularly? When someone picks up a safer electronic cigarette because they want to at a legal age though it's fuel for the fire? i think not
 
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2corbies

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Nobody needs to justify themselves for vaping, but WHO and the EU and the FDA and Canada and a whole bunch of other organizations want to take vaping away from us, giving "Non-smokers might start vaping" as their reason.
. . . as far as the general attitude of vapers to non-smokers starting to vape, it's not herd mentality, it's stark terror.

You know, I think that's true. I've been thinking lately about the odd intersection of health and politics that is tobacco policy in the US, and it does seem very strange that we follow a harm reduction model for every substance *except* nicotine. Were I a conspiracy theorist, I might suggest that it has something to do with the fact that harm reduction works and, with rare exceptions, policies of total abstinence don't. Who benefits if people spend millions of dollars a year on cigarettes, and rounds and rounds of patches, gum, Chantix, Zyban, etc. . . Who benefits if people keep trying to quit, but never manage it?

And, really-- "Non-smokers might start vaping?" How about "Non-smokers might start smoking?" Many do. I know people who started smoking in their forties and fifties; it's not like if you escape adolescence without a nicotine habit, you're set for life.

And, FYI, in the years before cigarettes, campfires and smoked foods were a major cause of cancer. So smoke, whatever smoke, isn't exactly harmless (and I love a good toasted marshmallow). But your point about the untested novelty of vaping is well taken.
 
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