Yes, I was a nonsmoker

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Thucydides

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Nobody needs to justify themselves for vaping, but WHO and the EU and the FDA and Canada and a whole bunch of other organizations want to take vaping away from us, giving "Non-smokers might start vaping" as their reason. So even if it's none of my business whether someone starts vaping or not, I'm SURE not going to get caught promoting it...it would get cut-and-pasted into an FDA report and used to ban us.

Thing is, if enough non-smokers start vaping, then the ANTZ won't stand a chance. If vaping reaches a critical mass before the government acts, then it won't be feasible to ban it.

So, OP and others: Welcome to the ECF! But don't tell anybody I said so!

Now that's the spirit!
 

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2corbies, I'm glad you're enjoying it. You're an adult, you know the risks, and you know what you don't know (if you get my meaning), and you've made an educated decision. That's you're right, and in the age we live in, there are a million worse things you could have chosen to do. 0% nic is obviously sensible, so find your favourite flavour and vape away my friend :D

My girlfriend is a non-smoker, and she vapes... I had to buy her an Ego-C kit with 0% nic juice because she kept on stealing my e-cig to play around with... haha. Now I find it really cute watching her vape from time to time :)
 

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Wow a non smoker gets recommended a provari, what a joke.

Get a nice KR808D-1 kit you won't need mass vapor at 0 nicotine and no addiction. Look into 0 nicotine juice to fill your cartomizers with and try to limit vaping as much as you can. Good luck.

Sent from my Nexus 4

That is definitely a bit out of my price range. I *have* done my research.

I got a basic Smoov kit from my local smoke shop, and am very satisfied so far.
 

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That is definitely a bit out of my price range. I *have* done my research.

I got a basic Smoov kit from my local smoke shop, and am very satisfied so far.

hey from WNY Southern Tier. Remember it's a free country as much as everyone may try to change that. Do what makes you happy and maybe scoop some of that salt off the road and put it in their cheerios.
 

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I am sure you are not the only never-smoking vaper on the forum, and I'm sure there are plenty of ex-smoking vapers that are idiots. :laugh: I don't see someone who is not using nic or who has not ever had the hand-to-mouth habit of smoking keeping up vaping long-term, though. There's hassle and money involved that I would think outweigh the novelty of rolling around tasty vapor in your mouth. For suppliers, stick with registered ECF vendors and check out their reviews. There is a list if you scroll down the forum main page; they each have their own sub-forum.

Thanks for pointing me to the vendors list-- I'd scanned that section but hadn't read it in any depth.

As far as the hand-to-mouth habit goes, I'm a snacker and a nailbiter, so a habit that.results in neither weight gained nor blood.lost definitely has.a strong.appeal.. (In fact, were I in a self-justifying mood, I'd probably say that snacking on junk food.is just a different way of ingesting addictive poisons. . . ). And, honestly, vaping is more fun than a Snickers' bar!
 

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I smoke tobacco pipes once or twice a month an enjoy an occasional cigar or cigarette at bachelor parties and such. I believe, in that kind of moderation, the negative health effects are negligible. I haven't been able to find conclusive science to prove this as all studies that I'm able to find are focused on chain smokers and the only response I can find to very occasional smokers is "Don't do it or you'll certainly become a chain smoker!". I have, somehow, miraculously defied science by remaining an occasional smoker now for about 7 years.

It's more common than most people would think. Nicotine, like most addictive drugs, isn't equally addictive for everybody. Of course, the only way for any of us to know if we'll get addicted is to try it and see! (In my misspent youth, I found many mind-altering substances I could use occasionally, and give up without trouble. . . The only one that ever gave me problems was caffeine. Fortunately, that's socially sanctioned.)
 

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Nobody needs to justify themselves for vaping, but WHO and the EU and the FDA and Canada and a whole bunch of other organizations want to take vaping away from us, giving "Non-smokers might start vaping" as their reason. So even if it's none of my business whether someone starts vaping or not, I'm SURE not going to get caught promoting it...it would get cut-and-pasted into an FDA report and used to ban us.

Do you seriously think a simple post on ECF is going to get vaping banned? The decision has already been made. The general public just doesn't know it yet. Money is what is going to get the uncontrolled sale of nicotine liquid banned. BP stands to lose too much money to let vaping go without a fight. They can't sell the pills that keep cancer-ridden patients alive if smokers make the switch to vaping.

Money talks. If BP, who has the money, wants to limit or end vaping then it will happen. Regardless of any posts made on this, or any other, forum. The only thing we, as vapers, can do is support organizations like CASAA that want to help fight the good fight. The fact that a few non-smokers take up vaping is not going to sway the argument in either direction.
 

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I was a non-smoker as well. I have vaped on-and-off since last April. I have a slight oral fixation, and vaping prevented me from biting my nails, which is a terrible habit for me. It also helped me eat less. One of my primary reasons, however, was to normalize vaping in indoor public places, make it part of our culture, and convince my smoking friends to start vaping (one of them just did after trying my disposable cig-look-alike last summer).
 

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You know, I think that's true. I've been thinking lately about the odd intersection of health and politics that is tobacco policy in the US, and it does seem very strange that we follow a harm reduction model for every substance *except* nicotine. Were I a conspiracy theorist, I might suggest that it has something to do with the fact that harm reduction works and, with rare exceptions, policies of total abstinence don't. Who benefits if people spend millions of dollars a year on cigarettes, and rounds and rounds of patches, gum, Chantix, Zyban, etc. . . Who benefits if people keep trying to quit, but never manage it?

And, really-- "Non-smokers might start vaping?" How about "Non-smokers might start smoking?" Many do. I know people who started smoking in their forties and fifties; it's not like if you escape adolescence without a nicotine habit, you're set for life.

And, FYI, in the years before cigarettes, campfires and smoked foods were a major cause of cancer. So smoke, whatever smoke, isn't exactly harmless (and I love a good toasted marshmallow). But your point about the untested novelty of vaping is well taken.

On the other hand, when African tribes were presented with smoke-free solar cookers, their death rate went way up, because the smoke was no longer chasing the mosquitos away from the central villiages, so the malaria rate went way up.

Not saying smoke is not harmful, only that we've probably evolved to minimize that harm compared to something completely novel. But the "novel" thing is nowhere near as dangerous as FDA-approved Chantix IMO, and my doctor tried to get me on that for years!
 

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Congrats op! I won't hate on you because the act of smoking/vaping makes life so much better. Welcome to the club.

Hehe....seriously though who cares. Vaping prob isn't that bad for you and no worse than drinking coke, eating mc donalds, having coffee/energy drinks,, eating supermarket food etc.

If vaping is the worse thing you do, you're doing ok.
 

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Congrats op! I won't hate on you because the act of smoking/vaping makes life so much better. Welcome to the club.

Hehe....seriously though who cares. Vaping prob isn't that bad for you and no worse than drinking coke, eating mc donalds, having coffee/energy drinks,, eating supermarket food etc.

If vaping is the worse thing you do, you're doing ok.

Hell, the espresso I drink everyday is probably 10 times worse for me anyway.
 

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Man do what you want! You want a cigarette then smoke one you want to vape then vape! We still live in what I thought was a free country. I have friends who don't some take up vaping just Cuz they tried it and liked it. Your grown and nobody can tell you what you can and can't do with your body. Don't let anyone give you crap because you ARE a non smoker. Most on this forum are non smokers now if only smokers could vape then how can we expect this to grow as an industry?
 

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Congrats op! I won't hate on you because the act of smoking/vaping makes life so much better. Welcome to the club.

Hehe....seriously though who cares. Vaping prob isn't that bad for you and no worse than drinking coke, eating mc donalds, having coffee/energy drinks,, eating supermarket food etc.

If vaping is the worse thing you do, you're doing ok.

"Everything fun is either immoral, illegal, or fattening." :2cool: I don't totally agree with that but, hey, you've got to have some vices!
 
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