you can only bully people so much, can this be where we are heading?

[guambred]

www. naturalnews .com
/044695_BLM_surrender_cattle_released_government_tyranny.html#


I wonder when we will be pushed into civil disobediance. I dont encuorage this type but it seems like the direction America is heading.
www. newsmax .com/US/constitutional-convention-Boehner-34/2014/04/11/id/565155/
34 States Call for Constitutional Convention

 

[Nermal]

might be interesting, but surely the wrong forum.

 

[Uma]

www. naturalnews .com
/044695_BLM_surrender_cattle_released_government_tyranny.html#


I wonder when we will be pushed into civil disobediance. I dont encuorage this type but it seems like the direction America is heading.
www. newsmax .com/US/constitutional-convention-Boehner-34/2014/04/11/id/565155/
34 States Call for Constitutional Convention

Interesting. I'll have to research into it for an educated vote on it, but I could tell you what my gut instinct says if it were ok to cuss up a storm. I think it's a ploy for the corrupt states to forbid the corrupt gov to step in when the states go even more overboard. They're already just as bad as the gov, in different areas. The constitution already disallows what's been going on. We just need to stand up and make them clean up their act. This new amendment freezes any potential good gov from stopping corrupt states. (!My perspective of what little I've read about it so far).

This, and only this, is our real constitution and it needs to be honored, not changed. The people abusing it need to be changed.
Steven Pratt, Bound by Oath to Support THIS Constitution - YouTube

off to get some much needed sleep. Oh, & HOORAH to Nevada! They're not out of the woods, but hopefully the timeout will bring about fruitful talks and solutions. I'm so proud of the patriots who made the stand. I salute them all.

 

[Anjaffm]

Interesting.
Glad to see people take a stand when the government takes more and more away from them. - The comments under the first article are quite interesting as well.

 

[Uma]

Interesting.
Glad to see people take a stand when the government takes more and more away from them. - The comments under the first article are quite interesting as well.

The peaceful protesters combined with the Oath Keepers made the difference. Had it of been just the protesters, it would have gone sour. Had it of been just the Oath Keepers, the talks would have taken too long, and too much damage done in the meantime. (Cows dying, yaddayadda).
The OATH KEEPERS rock. They are a group of sherriff's, vets, police officers, retired and still active, teaching and upholding the constitution. The sherriff of every county is THE constitutional defender. The sherriff of Clark County wasn't educated enough to know what to do, so Sherriff Mack's Calvary rode to the rescue.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/04...undy-‘to-prevent-another-ruby-ridge-or-waco”/

The rancher paid the BLM, until the BLM turned ugly and began regulating ranchers out of business. (!There used to be 53 ranches there. Bundy is the LAST RANCHER STANDING). Free range, grass fed cattle, for the consumer. This alone is worth fighting for.

Look at the big picture. Our food sources are being regulated out of existence, &/or sabotaged by the EPA (extreme Iclei EPA, not the good guys EPA).
Cattle in Nevada (etc). (Protect the tortoise and kill the cows)
Food groves in Calif. (Protect the minnows and dehydrate the state)
Timber harvest in Calif (protect the Spotted Owl and put towns after towns on unemployment)
Ground hogs, cute birdies, butterflies, lizards, froggies, you name it, there's an extreme EPA to get bleeding hearts to believe they need protection. The tortoises in Nevada? It's said that the EPA BLM euthanized thousands of them because they couldn't afford to feed them. What the hail do you feed a tortoise? Why are they spending millions to euthanize turtles, hire snipers and mercenaries, hire cowboys and helicopters, ... see, a question per question.

Im im just happy that now talks can begin and that Sherriff's ears and eyes are being opened as they should. Write your Sherriff and ask them to join the Oath Keepers. And CSPOA.org. (Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association)

 

[Uma]

This is an interview with Sherriff Mack about the Bundy case. He drills home the constitution. It's already there, it's up to us to assert it.
Changing the constitution to do that, is ... off the wall backwards wrong IMO. I have to research more of course, but, I really want to hit the point that it's already our constitutional right to not be nanny governed.
Sherriff Mack interview concerning the Bundy ranch. If Sheriff Mack was Cliven Bundy's Sheriff - YouTube

 

[Anjaffm]

@Uma:
wait a minute: you are saying that the EPA is confiscating people's property to allegedly protect some tortoise? The same tortoises that they themselves are killing (!) because they do not know how to feed this allegedly oh-so-endangered species?
That is more than .... weird. (to use a printable word)

Something similar happened in Germany some time ago, when some environmentalists held up the building of a road which would to around villages, to rout traffic away from the old road that went through the villages. A lot of bickering and wasting of time went on, about some allegedly endangered bird allegedly living in the area where the road was to be built. Of course, during that time, rush hour traffic still went through the villages, polluting the air that the villagers breathed and endangering the (human, not bird) children who had to cross those roads on their way to school. Thus, human beings had to suffer, to allegedly protect some alleged bird.

If I remember correctly, the government finally rounded up the (few) birds, moved them to another location, the road was built and the villagers can now live without heavy rush hour traffic on that old road that goes through the villages.

(Explanation:
As it is unaffordable to build / buy a house in a larger city or on the outskirts, families who want to build / buy a house have to move well outside of the cities. Commuting into the larger cities to work, of course. The old roads connecting the villages to the city - and going through the villages - are not made for that kind of traffic. Thus, larger roads that by-pass the villages have been built all over the place, for the benefit of both the villagers and the commuters. )

 

[Kent C]

@Uma:
wait a minute: you are saying that the EPA is confiscating people's property to allegedly protect some tortoise?

They do this all the time. In Toledo it was a toad that stopped the completion of a highway connecting west and north Toledo. In some areas, even though the animal doesn't live there and none have been found, IF the environment is similar to one that an endangered species MAY use, it's off limits for any other use.

 

[Anjaffm]

@Kent C:

So you are saying that it is quite ok and acceptable for human beings to breathe the air polluted by rush-hour traffic - to preserve some place that might be used by some toad - might be, even if there is no toad living in the place?
And all of a sudden the WHO is not important? Or all-powerful? Even if they claim that air pollution causes cancer?
In human beings, not in toads?
Duh.......

Reminds me of "e-cigs might... could... maybe... possibly... if Good Friday falls on a Sunday.... might... in the case of a lunar eclipse.... "
Jeez!

Time for my favorite quote from Albert Einstein:

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

 

[guambred]

Anjaffm, From the many posts Kent C has made I think he is just stateing that this type of thing happens a lot more tha we would like to beleive. As for me I posted this link in the belief that our rights have been nibbled away so much and so often we kind of expect it, yet when it happens we stand around confused "What the heck just happened?" Some folks are doing something about it albeit a whole lot more dramaticly. There is a whole lot going on in the US and I have an uneasy feeling there will be a breaking point soon. I just pray it does not ever come as close to violence as this incident did. The grabernment is loaded for bear and as a law enforcement officer I see many of my fellows who are either not the sharpest tools in the shed or are simply tools ready to do their masters bidding.

 

[rothenbj]

The OP is correct that it almost takes civil disobedience to battle the control that some politicos use to advance there agenda. Whether it comes to that with ecigs is still a question. However, just as this war on ecigs is really bot about health, but control. the Bundy Ranch battle is more about money than tortoises. The cattle and the tortoises have been coexisting for at least 140 years, probably longer. However clearing out the ranchers is the primary goal. Chinese money appears to be the goal and the enrichment of Harry Reid's family.-

Desert the Desert Tortoise, Harry Reid: Why the BLM wants Cliven Bundy's Ranch and Harry Reid: Why the BLM assaulted the Cliven Bundy Ranch | Communities Digital News

As always, follow the money.

 

[Uma]

To back up Kent's, oops, I meant rothenbj 's post, here are a few other articles from way back.
2011 Spot The Tortoise? - Forbes
2012 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...se-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal
2013 http://rt.com/usa/desert-tortoises-euthanize-nevada-024/

Where's PETA? Well, nowhere near here. Googling PETA lists how PETA kills animas, not saves them.

The EPA is mad about BLM standing down and threatens to sue because BLM isn't "saving" the tortoises.

There's yet no count on the cows or calves lost to the hardship.

Corrected 1st sentence

 

[Kent C]

To back up Kent's post, here are a few other articles from way back.
2011 Spot The Tortoise? - Forbes
2012 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...se-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal
2013 http://rt.com/usa/desert-tortoises-euthanize-nevada-024/

Where's PETA? Well, nowhere near here. Googling PETA lists how PETA kills animas, not saves them.

The EPA is mad about BLM standing down and threatens to sue because BLM isn't "saving" the tortoises.

There's yet no count on the cows or calves lost to the hardship.

The one where the animal didn't even exist in the area was from a Stossel show. The guy was suing the gov't over it. There's so much more similar stuff. Bisons/Buffalo were near extinction until they were allowed to be owned as private property - now they thrive as a species, but all that is off topic

 

[Uma]

Oops, I meant rothenbj's post. But they're all related, because of how the Iclei EPA is falsely claiming land. (The good EPA is doing a great job, just not the extreme version sections of the EPA)

I still haven't found much to research about the op's question.
As far as the civil unrest question.... A civil unrest will happen ONLY if the Feds come back stronger with more force, instead of with mediators, the people's court system, typical normal peacekeeping stuff. There are stories floating out there that the DHS, FBI, etc are grouping for a comeback. That's really sad. Pathetically sad. The media has been threatened, the FCC has declared a no flight zone over the ranch for the next 30 days, the cell tower comes and goes, the media parrots BLM when it says anything at all. Fox covered somewhat, but not accurately. Rt lady covered the gist. Most of the coverage is on YouTube by camera phone videos of the people there. By word of mouth, thousands of peaceful protesters showed up, so word has it that the NSA is searching for posts and videos ... yaddayadda. They should have court ordered everyone to not say anything before this, if that's true. Who knows. If you don't see me post anymore,matter awhile, come visit me in jail or wherever it is they hold people who share the news. I got this info from YouTube. I suggest you all hurry over there before they're all deleted. Search "Bundy ranch".

My fave http://youtu.be/0nLscD2A12w

Back on topic. The constitution convention?

 

[DrMA]

Lol, Uma. There's no visitors in Guantanamo.

 

[rothenbj]

Obama closed that facility years ago.

 

[exnihilo]

Hey, anyone hear that the Navy figured out a way to turn seawater into usable fuel?

Oh, and pay your taxes.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4

 

[Uma]

No visitors, that's good I guess. I look awful in orange.

I ran across CNN article, chalk full of lies and one sided perspective.

Exhilo, they did pay their taxes on it until it became fact they were using the money collected to run them out of business. He then tried to pay the county and state both, but they refused to take it and sent it back. They refused to step in and mediate or protect the constitution, liberty, of the citizens. Now that this ruckus has taken place & the constitution keepers on the ball, we can get to the bottom of things and sort things out in a way that will hopefully protect the citizens from gov thuggings. Not everyone is an angel just because they wear dot gov after their name.
The story has it that senator Reid is behind all this, that Reid's aide is BLM leader, that Reid is selling out to the Chinese, & so on. Hopefully, the truths will get sorted out.

::ff to protest with the Guantanamo protesters to get that place shut down once and for all!::;

 

[Kent C]

The story has it that senator Reid is behind all this, that Reid's aide is BLM leader, that Reid is selling out to the Chinese, & so on. Hopefully, the truths will get sorted out.

This, from a guy with 'humble beginnings', never had a job except in government and is worth est. $3.3 to 10.3 million. I know he's not the only one and (sadly) there are similar instances from both sides of the aisle. At least Jay Rockefeller and the Kennedys got it 'honestly' - it was given to them by their parents!

 

[Fulgurant]

This, from a guy with 'humble beginnings', never had a job except in government and is worth est. $3.3 to 10.3 million. I know he's not the only one and (sadly) there are similar instances from both sides of the aisle. At least Jay Rockefeller and the Kennedys got it 'honestly' - it was given to them by their parents!

... who were mobsters, in the Kennedys' case.