...and remind her that they used to "bleed" people when they got sick. It's not called "Practicing medicine" for nothing.
Shush.
...and remind her that they used to "bleed" people when they got sick. It's not called "Practicing medicine" for nothing.
I've tried - her mind is totally closed and shut off.
Damage done.
In that case, it just might be an excuse... You know, some people just like smoking too much to give it up.
A couple questions for Dr. @Kurt regarding his study, if he is still tuned in...
1. Was the "Subtank" a Subtank Mini? Assume so but just checking.
2. Kanger doesn't seem to sell ~0.7R coils now? When I search coils I see 0.5R and then a couple of 1+R coils, but nothing around 0.7. I've owned STMs for years now and don't recall a 0.7 coil but I probably never bought any, only used the RBA deck. Are the coils you used now obsolete? Just curious since this is something many of us could reproduce since many own STMs but maybe the coil you used is no longer available?
In that case, it just might be an excuse... You know, some people just like smoking too much to give it up.
I am not trying to "carry the load", just doing my part to further the community knowledge (and my own). Afterall, that is what this thread is all about, sharing knowledge as we discover it.That's a heavy load to carry, Mike, and you've no such responsibility to the general public. What you're doing here is great, but that covers but a small percentage of current and potential vapers.
My initial point was that the headlines resulting from the study (studies) ended up having a negative effect on people's opinion of this marvelous thing we call vaping. You can't change that, nor can I, but understanding human nature can be a valuable tool when undertaking any mission that has a higher-purpose goal.
The percentage of people locked into threads such as this, where information & education are available, is likely infinitesimal in contrast to the whole.
Mike, I tried to watch all three videos. As much as I love Phil, Brandon and John, I just didn't have the time to watch it all. What are your major objections to what was being said?
New mod form Evolv?
Is it a joke? (sorry for my second hand English)
They were one of the companies I wrote to when I pleaded for any existing data on the subject.Mike, is Evolv aware of your testing? Have you (all) discussed it at this point? I found some of John's comments at best, "curious".
I'm guessing that they (Evolv) certainly haven't shared info with you, yet. (if ever?)
My only objection is in Vid 3 at 26:00 minutes where Evolv admits they are doing testing but not sharing results. I think that just sucks, particularly on this formaldehyde issue!!!!
I think, actually I know, a lot of the big dogs are doing testing. Anyone who wants to get a PMTA through is doing testing. But everyone is keeping their test results super secret in hopes that "their testing" will give them a competitive advantage when it comes times for PMTAs to be issued.
For example, I know beyond doubt, that the "thermal degradation" of ejuice has been studied and documented, and I "know" there is something to it. I have begged companies to share some of their data with me, but all I get is a run around suggesting test methods that require a $200k+ machine.
Actually watch just the 9 minutes (vid 3) starting at 26:00, it makes my blood boil. While a lot of valid points were made, the fact that they KNOW about the temp\formaldehyde relationship, and wont share it, just pisses me off. Formaldehyde is what Brandon was talking about at minute 33:32 when he spoke of the "Hockey Stick over a certain temperature", ie the levels looking like a hockey stick on graph within a 100F range, and we are talking a range that some folks DO vape at. John quotes "from 1/100th of a cigarette to twice that of a cigarette over a span of 100 degrees".
They blame the lack of testing, and/or the lack of sharing test results, ON THE CONSUMER!!!!!!!!!!!
MALARKEY! .............
And I am an Evolv fan-boy, or so I have been told.
Here is the 9 minutes I am talking about:
Watch the next 2 minutes, this was back from the original stuff I posted back in the opening post of this thread:
They were one of the companies I wrote to when I pleaded for any existing data on the subject.
Beyond that I am not at liberty to say more, as anything else that was said, was said in confidence.
I didnt get that out of it. What I got was that Evolv had to "assume" the user knew how to set up a TC Mod.So what he said confirmed what the ProVape owners claimed, that temp control is not accurate. It is repeatable, and it is concise, but the accuracy depends on assumptions. interesting clip...
Watch the next 2 minutes, this was back from the original stuff I posted back in the opening post of this thread:
My only objection is in Vid 3 at 26:00 minutes where Evolv admits they are doing testing but not sharing results. I think that just sucks, particularly on this formaldehyde issue!!!!