Why so many members take issue with the FDA
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Your naive bull.... is far more bull.... than my naive bull.....
100% safe? What is? That's just more naive bull.... from you.
And by the way, I'm not addicted to anything related to vaping.
I choose to vape, and I choose to use nicotine.
You may claim I'm full of it, and if you're willing to bet me any amount of money, I'll GLADLY take if from you.
But you better make it worth my while, because I appreciate the positive effects of nicotine, and don't intend to give them up.
Nicotine improves memory, concentration, and attention.
And it also appears to have a real potential to stave off Parkinsons and Alzheimers.
But yeah, I'll wait while you tell me that I'm just an addict making excuses.
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Your first paragraph is illogical. You really want to come to conclusions based on the opinion of 2 doctors with little experimentation? That's not going to get the cause very far.
Your second paragraph is a strawman.
Please don't lump all of of us "Left Coast" folks together.
There are lots of places in California that aren't "like that" at all.
Basically, it's just San Francisco (the New York of the west coast) and Los Angeles.
Most of the rest of the state leans in a different direction.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that anyone in SF or LA is one of those people
Can the US just give San Francisco to Canada and wave goodbye?
No physical addiction to nicotine whatsoever, like a lot of long-time vapers.
I vape 12mg nicotine, and have for four years now.
Unlike many, I'm not going to reduce my intake though, although I have no problem with those that do.
I have gotten to the point where I don't even vape most of the time before noon.
And quite often I don't even vape until after work.
I vape because it relaxes me.
And I use nicotine for the reasons I stated previously.
Unfortunately, I have reached the point where I sometimes have to make myself vape.
So yeah, taking my bet would not work out so well for you.
No physical addiction to nicotine whatsoever, like a lot of long-time vapers.
I vape 12mg nicotine, and have for four years now.
Unlike many, I'm not going to reduce my intake though, although I have no problem with those that do.
I have gotten to the point where I don't even vape most of the time before noon.
And quite often I don't even vape until after work.
I vape because it relaxes me.
And I use nicotine for the reasons I stated previously.
Unfortunately, I have reached the point where I sometimes have to make myself vape.
So yeah, taking my bet would not work out so well for you.
Well, I can't have a discussion with someone who's dishonest.
Seriously? I vape 12mg and some days I don't vape at all, NOT AT ALL. And that's coming from a 33 year smoker who smoked Camel NFs. We are not all addicted.
Here is a reading assignment for you...
Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is similar information from a study by an Arizona State professor emeritus...
Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University
And might want to read these too...
Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in Neurodegenerative Disorders
Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis
To be fair...one person, or even a number of people, saying they aren't addicted to a substance doesn't mean that substance is non-addictive.
There are a lot of people who aren't addicted to alcohol. Or to Codeine. I'm not addicted to alcohol; I rarely drink. My husband is not addicted to alcohol; he regularly drinks (beer). Does that mean it's a lie that the poor old guy with the shopping basket in my town who shakes all the time and lost his home, family and job to alcohol isn't an alcoholic, because there's no such thing, as proven by myself, my husband and thousands of other people?
For the record, I myself am addicted to nicotine. It offers enough benefits for me (especially energy and memory) for me to continue doing it anyway.
As for the dosages conversation: that may be part of the problem. Patches, gums and prescriptions are all considered safe in a specific dosage, and are doled out with instructions for that dosage. In fact they're created to deliver only that dosage at a time. And there are (to cover their butts, of course, but also for safety, I'm hoping) warnings against using them in a higher amount than prescribed (wearing two patches at a time, for example).
How is anyone going to regulate how safe nic juice is? People literally use droppers or little needles to put it into a wick, and what they're putting into a wick could potentially be any amount of nicotine, given the starting amount plus people mixing to get their sweet spot.
Just seeing that as part of the whole "regulation" and "recognition as safe" equation.
And, nicotine is a stimulant. That ISN'T safe for some people, under some conditions. Any drug may help a segment of the population, yet be dangerous to other segments of the population.
So which end would you even pick this up by?
There are a lot of people who aren't addicted to alcohol. Or to Codeine. I'm not addicted to alcohol; I rarely drink. My husband is not addicted to alcohol; he regularly drinks (beer). Does that mean it's a lie that the poor old guy with the shopping basket in my town who shakes all the time and lost his home, family and job to alcohol isn't an alcoholic, because there's no such thing, as proven by myself, my husband and thousands of other people?
For the record, I myself am addicted to nicotine. It offers enough benefits for me (especially energy and memory) for me to continue doing it anyway.
As for the dosages conversation: that may be part of the problem. Patches, gums and prescriptions are all considered safe in a specific dosage, and are doled out with instructions for that dosage. In fact they're created to deliver only that dosage at a time. And there are (to cover their butts, of course, but also for safety, I'm hoping) warnings against using them in a higher amount than prescribed (wearing two patches at a time, for example).
How is anyone going to regulate how safe nic juice is? People literally use droppers or little needles to put it into a wick, and what they're putting into a wick could potentially be any amount of nicotine, given the starting amount plus people mixing to get their sweet spot.
Just seeing that as part of the whole "regulation" and "recognition as safe" equation.
And, nicotine is a stimulant. That ISN'T safe for some people, under some conditions. Any drug may help a segment of the population, yet be dangerous to other segments of the population.
So which end would you even pick this up by?
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To be fair, I totally agree.
If you search my posting history you will often see a disclaimer that many people may be much more addicted to nicotine than others.
I believe I only failed to post such a disclaimer this time because I was a bit riled up.
I remember when I came back from a vacation to Mexico.
Montezuma was taking a bit of his revenge on me.
I took sick time for the next two days after my return home.
And I didn't vape during those two days.
Not because I didn't want to, but because I didn't want to go get my luggage from the trunk and unpack my vaping gear.
And that was when I knew for sure that nicotine doesn't have any hold over me.
Over time, that fact only becomes more and more evident.
If I was streamling nic into my system with smoking I really don't think I would be as happy as I am now with it just whispering to me or as healthy.
Um...wow, people sure do get nasty sometimes over people disagreeing with them.
I guess I'm weird, I usually take a disagreement as, well, part of a discussion.
Great response, I really have no words.
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