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What do cell ratings actually tell us? Part 5B: Discharge Current

This is part two of a two-part post.

Manufacturer’s Current Ratings
These are for li-ion round cells still in their original manufacturer’s wrap. Not just Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Sanyo, Panasonic, and Molicel but the large China manufacturers like BAK, EVE, CATL, Lishen, and others too.

There is usually just one rating, a true continuous current rating that gives you acceptable performance and cycle life. For the ultra-high capacity cells (>3000mAh 18650 or >4200mAh 21700) you can definitely get better performance and less voltage sag though by not going over about 50%-75% of the rating.

But there are some cells that are rated for the applications they were designed for, hard non-continuous use. Molicels are rated this way. Their current ratings cannot be used as true continuous current ratings to compare against other cells. This is not a false rating! It is the type of rating that best helps Moli’s customers judge whether the cell might be a good choice.

There’s no way for us to know this though so we are forced to check for third-party test results that can help us judge a manufacturer’s ratings. None of the round cells we use were made for individual use by end customers so this is the situation we must deal with. The datasheets and the ratings are only for the huge commercial customers for these cells.

Murata’s VTC cells (made by Sony up until 2017) also have non-continuous ratings, allowing use up to a certain temperature. But they also have a true continuous current rating you can use to compare the cells to others.

For example…
The VTC6 is rated at 15A continuous and 30A non-continuous by Murata. But if you want to compare the VTC6 to any other cell, perhaps the Samsung 30Q, then you would have to use the continuous 15A rating. You cannot say that the VTC6 has a 30A rating and blows away the 15A-rated Samsung 30Q. They are both 15A cells and perform very close to each other (30Q slightly better in my testing).

The VTC6 has huge voltage sag at 30A anyway and these non-continuous ratings are best ignored if performance is your priority.

Rewrapped Cell Current Ratings
In my opinion, “rewrapped” cells are those that have had their original factory wraps removed (or were purchased without wraps) and have been rewrapped by a company that will resell them. This is how companies like Efest, Imren, MXJO, Vapcell, and dozens of others started out.

This was originally done with cells from Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Sanyo, Panasonic, and Molicel but is now also being done with cells from the large China manufacturers like BAK, EVE, CATL, Lishen, and others.

The problem is that an unscrupulous company can exaggerate the manufacturer’s rating or even create their own useless “max” or “pulse” rating. The situation has gotten a lot better lately though in the US and EU, with the rewrapping companies giving their cell more accurate ratings. Some brands like Epoch, Fogstar, and others have always had accurate ratings. In Asia though the ratings on many of the rewrapped cells are ridiculously exaggerated.

There’s no way to know if the ratings on the wrap are accurate or not unless you know what cell they have rewrapped (for cells from the large manufacturers) or have seen test results.

Any “max” or “pulse” ratings can be ignored though in my opinion. I know that these are the ratings we love to see. They are ones that are listed by most vendors and they are high. But they are, at best, just the cell manufacturer’s non-continuous rating. If not then we have no idea what criteria the rewrapper used to set the rating. At worst they are merely numbers chosen during a marketing lunch meeting.

I have had multiple rewrapping companies tell me they just make up these “max” or “pulse” numbers to please the distributors who will not buy cells unless they have a big number on them. These numbers are useless marketing bullsh*t.

Some companies rewrap very good cells so don’t think that they are all to be avoided. Vapcell has gotten a couple batches of some great cells from the big manufacturers over the last couple of years and rewrap other good cells. Just stick with the continuous current rating.

As mentioned earlier, there are also great rewrapped cells from Fogstar, Epoch, and other companies.

As the cells from the big manufacturers are getting harder and harder to find (no one buys direct from the manufacturer) the rewrapped cells from the big manufacturers are becoming a smaller and smaller part of what these rewrapping companies can offer.

Many of their cells are now coming from the smaller China factories and some are pretty good. For example, the Yong De Li New Energy Corp.’s 1000mAh 18350 that at least three companies have rewrapped.

Some of us would never consider operating even near the continuous current rating of a cell. Others would have no problem going way, way over that rating as long as the cell didn’t get hot. Neither of those is the wrong or right approach, they’re just different. They fit the way those people want to use their cells, based on their priorities, preferences, and risk-taking comfort levels.

I don’t think we’ll ever stop debating what a current rating means, not while we have so many different priorities and such a wide range of risk taking by cell users. But if we at least know what the manufacturers mean when they give a cell a certain rating that can help us to choose how hard we will use a cell.

Things to remember about current ratings:
  • Only use the true continuous current rating for comparing cells.
  • “Max” and “pulse” ratings are useless for comparing cells. Different companies use different standards for setting these ratings or just make them up.
  • The manufacturer’s non-continuous rating is limited by cell temperature and you must stop before the cell reaches this temp. Luckily it’s usually quite high, 70°C-80°C. There are a few cells that are only rated up to 60°C, easily reached in a sealed up battery pack, so check the datasheet for the cells you are using to be sure.
  • Cells lose performance and their internal resistance increases over time. This can cause more heat during use and we need to take this into account as our cells age. If your cells are getting warmer but you are not using them any harder then you’ll need to lower their current rating or replace them. There’s no data available to help you know when to do this. You’ll have to use your best judgement.
  • The ratings on any cell can be complete bullsh*t. This is rare for cells sold in the US and EU but is very common for cells sold in Asia. If you see a cell with higher ratings than any other similar cell it is not a “miracle” cell using some kind of amazing technology no one else has. It is just a cell with an exaggerated or misrepresented rating.
  • You can use any cell at above its continuous current rating. But you lose performance, shorten its cycle life, and increase the risks. Especially as the cell ages. I recommend staying below the continuous current rating.
I will discuss C-Ratings in another post.

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SteamCrave Hadron Mini DNA100C Box Mod

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The original SteamCrave Hadron Mini DNA100C Box Mod is designed for sub-ohm / RDTA / RTA, RDA vaping, compatible with Steam Crave Supreme V3 RDTA, Atomamizer class MTL RTA, and Glaz Mini (atomizer not included), you will get the perfect result. Powered by 1 x 18650 / 20700 / 210700 battery (not included), it comes with a 18650 sleeve and two 21700 battery wraps for you to replace your battery. The Evolv DNA 100C chipset supports the most sufficient and stable output to capture the flavor, the max output can be up to 100W. Available for various modes to vape, including Replay mode,Accurate temperature control, and Watts boost. If you want an intellectual vaping manner, the Relay mode must be the perfect and accurate choice, it chases a stable power for flavor. The temperature control is your assistant when you vape, Hadron Mini Box Mod DNA100C can instantly come down the temperature once you fire your kit.
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Battery: 1 x 21700 / 20700 / 18650 (Not Included)
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Power Range: 1~100W
Current Range: 0.5A~30A
Max Charging Current: 3A / 2A
Temperature Range: 200~600'F
Coil Resistance Supported: 0.10~3.00ohm
Coil Material supported: Nickel, Titanium, SS460, SS316, KA1, Ni80, Ni90
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Switching Nicotine Concentrate (DIY)

Hello. I have only purchased concentrate from 2 places. First from Wizard Labs earlier this year and after from Carolina Xtract. When I made the switch to DIY 2 months ago I have used Carolina exclusively. Each batch of concentrate that I received I ran 4 or 5 different tests to determine an accurate strength of each batch before labeling them and putting them into storage.

I have just ran out of my Carolina and I made up a batch using the WZ as my concentrate. It is a flavor I have vaped before with no issue and nothing else changed in the recipe other than I increased the strength of my end product by 1 mg. I usually vape at 7mg but the batch I made is 8mg. I have two tanks Im vaping on, one contains one of my old mixes using the Carolina and one has the new batch made using the WZ.

I am very in-tune with my body and how I feel and when I vape the WZ concentrate I get a little bit of a headache that lasts for 30 mins or an hour. I thought maybe the nicotine may be too high(??) but Im not getting the harshness on the throat that accompanies that.. and Im not buzzing super hard either. I thought maybe my body prefers the Carolina because their extraction process ended up with a cleaner end product?? Maybe I got a bad batch from Wizard?

I had vaped the WZ in the beginning and I never noticed a headache, although this same thing did happen once before, but that was before I switched to DIY for all my juice. I rarely get headaches, and this effect only occurs after vaping the batch I made using the WZ concentrate.

Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else, and your thoughts and experiences. Thank you.
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FREEMAX MAXUS MAX 168W KIT review by hittman

Hello I’m back again with yet another review. I was sent the Freemax Maxus Max 168W kit in order to provide a fair and honest review. The Max 168 continues the legacy of the Maxus series of kits from Freemax. Some time ago I reviewed the Maxus 100 and 200 and liked them and the included tanks and coils very much. The Max 168 is a bit of a twist on that since it is in fact it is the first dual battery pod mod. At least that is the claim made by Freemax. The pod uses the MX Platform and uses the design of the Mesh Pro series while still using the FM Coiltech 4.0 mesh technology. The mod itself has a very nice color display and uses dual 18650 batteries that are loaded from the bottom through a hinged battery door.


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WHAT’S IN THE BOX?

1x Freemax Maxus MAX 168W Mod

1x Freemax Maxus DTL Pod 5ml (Pre-installed MX2 Mesh Coil 0.2ohm)

1x MX1 Mesh Coil 0.15ohm

1x USB Charger

1x Warning Card

1x Warranty Card

1x User Manual


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SPECIFICATIONS:

Size: 43*30.9*128.5mm

Pod Capacity: 5ml

Output Mode: Power/ VPC/ Bypass/ TC-SS316/ TC-NI/ TC-TI/ TCR

Battery: External 2x 18650 batteries (Not Included)

Output Voltage: 0.7-8.4V

Output Wattage: 5-168W


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INITIAL THOUGHTS:

I’ve noticed that many manufacturers seem to stick with the same color scheme on their packaging and Freemax is no different. I always mentally associate blue and white with Freemax. The Max 168 box is black with a sketch of the device on the front but still has the blue and white for the text on the front.

The back of the package has the specifications, contents, company information, and authenticity code. I like when the manufacturer takes the time to put the specifications on the box. I think it makes it just a little easier for the user to determine if it’s a good fit for them and also can see what coils the device uses in case they want to purchase some spares.

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The Max 168 is actually a pretty small device and is actually a little smaller than the Target 200 that is one of the smaller dual 18650 mods that I have tried. The display on the Max 168 is very crisp and clear. The accent color is also changeable which is a nice feature but not necessary.

The display on the main screen is very simplistic compared to many mods. I have to admit that I thought it was a bit odd that the puff counter is not displayed on the main screen. The main screen only shows the following information.

- Lock/unlock symbol

- Mode of operation

- Dual battery indicators

- Set wattage

- Output voltage while firing

- Coil resistance

To access the menu, press the fire bar three times. Once in the menu, the following options are available.

- Mode( Power, VPC, BYPASS, TC SS316, TC NI, TC TI, TCR 1,2,3)

- SET( TIMEOUT, COIL TEST, PUFF, TIME, C/F, RESET, COMBINATION KEYS, EXIT)

- INFO( BATTERY, VERSION, TEMP, EXIT)

- EXIT

The Combination keys setting allows the user to choose whether pressing the + and – buttons locks the mod completely or only locks the adjustment buttons. Besides the above settings, pressing the fire bar and – button will change the accent color on the display.

Besides the display, the front of the mod has the adjustment buttons, the Freemax name printed on the front, and the USB-C charging port.

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The top of the mod is the pod receptacle with two large airflow slots and a very large gold plated center contact. Inside is a metal ring where the magnetic ring of the pod attaches very securely. The pod comes with the MX2 mesh coil that is .2 ohm and has two coils inside it pre-installed. The kit comes with a second coil which is a single mesh coil that is .15 ohm called the MX1. The MX1 coil is rated at 50-80 watts and liked it at 54 watts. The MX2 coil is rated at 60-90 watts and liked it at 60 watts. Freemax was nice enough to include a spare box of the MX3 coils which are .15 ohm with three mesh coils and rated 80-110 watts. I wasn’t brave enough to go that high but thought it performed well at 70 watts. The coils and airflow combination allow for a huge amount of airflow and even with the highest rated coil I never felt the need to open it more than 1/3.

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On the back of the mod is the Maxus Max symbol near the top with the Maxus name near the bottom along with Made in China.

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On the left side of the mod is the fire bar. It runs near the length of the mod. It has three horizontal lines near the top and some designs molded into the sides. The horizontal lines give it a nice feel and to me the fire bar takes just the right amount of tension to activate it.

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The battery door on the bottom of the mod is the slide and lift hinged battery door type. It seems very solid to me. The battery polarity is clearly marked. I don’t know for sure but it seems like only the raised buttons where the batteries make contact are exposed. It seems like there is some type of coating over the rest of the copper plate.

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The pod for the Max 168 has a fixed tip so you cannot change the tip. The pod itself is tinted but not too dark so you can still see the liquid level inside fairly easy. The pod is a side fill which is better than a bottom fill but would have been nice if it could have been designed with a top fill instead. You can fill the pod while on the tank but I found it easier to just remove the pod for filling. One thing that is nice is that the fill port plug will rotate out of the way for filling. The opening is large enough for most bottles. The MX1 smaller coil installed made it easier to fill while with the large coils installed the tip of the filling bottle would hit the side of the coil.

The coils are honestly some of the largest coils I have tried. I don’t remember testing a larger coil. Just like prior Freemax coils I have tried, these coils are very, very flavorful and produce large amounts of vapor. The coils are a push to seat type coil. Besides being very flavorful, I had no leaking whatsoever during testing the coils and virtually no condensation.

One thing I thought was a little odd was that the bottom of the MX2 coil is partially open and you can see the coils and cotton when looking from the bottom of the coil.

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FINAL THOUGHTS:

As usual with Freemax products, it has been a real pleasure to test the Maxus Max 168 kits. They have a fantastic handle on their coil technology and can’t really think of any of their coils that I haven’t liked. The MX series coils are simply fantastic. I was really surprised at how high I could turn up the wattage on these coils without the vapor becoming warmer than I normally like. I usually prefer a bit of a cooler vape.

The Max 168 mod is very comfortable to hold and it’s almost hard to believe it is a dual 18650 mod with as small as it is. The display is very clear and vibrant and the long fire bar is easy enough to press to fire but not so easy as to be pressed accidentally. For such a large display, the battery management seemed pretty good when running the MX1 coil but of course once you hit that 70+ watt range the batteries are going to drain a bit quicker.

The airflow ring built into the top of the mod provides more airflow than I could ever use. Even at 1/3 open and set at 70 watts the airflow was plenty for me. I’m sure this also has to do with the large size of the coils as well.

I’d like to thank Freemax and Tina for sending the Maxus Max 168 kits and spare coils for this review. I also received the new Marvos RTA pod but will post a separate review for that. Also a big thanks to the readers. Below is a link to the website for your viewing pleasure.


Maxus Max 168W Kit | Freemax - Taste the Clouds, Feel the Flavors! (freemaxvape.com)

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Cracked Glass on Hadron

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Hi, I'm looking for any help or suggestions for my busted Hadron 220. I messaged Steam Crave, but honestly don't expect to hear back. My Hadron fell off my nightstand and the corner of the glass that is on top of the screen has a small crack. It still works just fine but I would like to repair it if I can. I searched for replacement glass(like geekvape sometimes has for their mods) to no avail. I was thinking maybe I could cut out a thin piece of plexiglass or something, but I could see the glue fogging it up. Most of you guys are a whole lot smarter and experienced than me, so if anyone has any ideas of how I can repair/replace the glass, I would be super appreciative. Thank you, and happy New Year!
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E-cigarettes may help smokers quit even if they don't intend to, study finds

"Dec. 28 (UPI) -- Daily electronic cigarette use motivates smokers to transition from traditional cigarettes, even if they have no plans to quit the habit, a study published Tuesday by JAMA Network Open found.

Among 1,600 active smokers who had no intention to quit at the start of the study, 28% who used e-cigarette, or vaping, devices daily stopped smoking traditional cigarettes within 12 months, the data showed.

Meanwhile, just under 6% of those who did not use e-cigarettes daily quit smoking traditional cigarettes.

Daily e-cigarette users in the study were eight times more likely to quit smoking traditional cigarettes than non-daily users, according to the researchers........."

E-cigarettes may help smokers quit even if they don't intend to, study finds - UPI.com

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1st time vaping - no flavour

Hey guys, I’m quite new to vaping. Trying to quit smoking so over christmas I got a few disposable vapes (20mg nicotine - nic salt) and i found the flavour and taste very strong which I like.
Disposables are quite expensive so I decided to buy a vape kit, purchased Vaporesso Luxe PM40. Quite new to all of this so tried both the 0.8 and 0.6 coil using the recommended wattage. I found there is little to no flavour with either coils and with adjusting the wattage. I have two different e-liquids and they taste exactly the same - extremely faint flavour but hard enough nicotine hit. These are both 50/50 freebase liquids (I think).

I am wondering if there is anything i should do differently to try and get the flavour/test up to the right level. I understand I will not get the same level of flavour as the disposable vapes but I want to match as best as possible. I am not sure whether it is the coil, brand of kit or type of liquid I am using.

Could someone offer some advice or any suggestions? Any help is very much appreciated
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DOVPO BLOTTO MAX AND BLOTTO V1.5 RTAS review by hittman

Here I am again to present yet another review. This time I’ll be taking a look at not one but two new tanks by Dovpo. These new tanks are continuations of the Blotto series that Dovpo has released with cooperation from Vaping Bogan aka Sam Parsons. After having tested both the Blotto Max and the Blotto V1.5, I would consider the Max as a dual coil rta and the V1.5 as a single coil rta although I guess you could try to stuff a dual coil into the V1.5 but I didn’t. Both tanks are very similar in appearance but differ in size and of course the Max has a larger build deck. Let’s take a look at some features and what’s included and I’ll talk about my experience with these tanks.


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WHAT’S IN THE BOX?


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SPECIFICATIONS:

Product Name: Blotto Max RTA

Capacity: 3.8ml (straight glass)/6.2ml (bubble tube)

Filling Type: Top filling

Diameter: 28mm

Color: Black, Gunmetal, Stainless Steel



Product Name: Blotto V1.5 RTA

Diameter: 26mm

E-juice capacity: 3.5ml/6.4ml

Filling Type: Top filling

Airflow: Dual diffusion airflow system

Glass Tube: Straight glass tube (3.5ml), bubble glass tube (6.4ml)

Color: Gunmetal, Silver, Black



FEATURES:

Blotto V1.5 Details:



1. Released by Dovpo & Vaping Bogan

2. Original honeycomb airflow, smooth to adjust

3. Elevated metal backed airflow posts for better heating and flavor

4. 26mm diameter, easy and leak-proof top filling system

5. 3.5ml/6.4ml e-juice capacity for your option

6. Straight glass tube (3.5ml), glass/PCTG bubble tube (6.4ml)

7. 272 degree airflow, dual diffusion airflow system

8. Strengthened AFC ring & base, improved cotton well design



DOVPO Blotto Max RTA Tank Details:



1. Original honeycomb air flow

2. 272 degree airflow

3. Improved metal backed airflow posts

4. Dual diffusion airflow for the smoothest draw

5. Top filling system

6. 3.8ml (straight glass)/6.2ml (bubble tube) e-juice capacity

7. Improved cotton well design

8. Strengthened AFC ring & base





BLOTTO MAX


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INITIAL THOUGHTS:

The packaging of the Blotto tanks is the same as what I saw on the Blotto Single Coil RTA that I reviewed previously. They come in the black and pink boxes with a clear window in the front so you can see the tank inside. I rather like it. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve opened a sample where the picture on the box isn’t the version of what’s inside the box. I received the gunmetal version of the V1.5 and the silver version of the Max.

The back side of the package shows the features of the tanks and the company information for Dovpo. Once opened, inside I found each tank with the straight glass installed along with bubble glass, PCTG bubble tube, the metal skull which is used for trimming the coils, user manual, and spare parts bag. No coils or cotton were included with the tanks.


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After cleaning both tanks I immediately wanted to install the bubble glass tank sections on both tanks. The straight glass on the V1.5 wasn’t hard to get off but the glass on the Max was a different story. It was really stuck to the o ring and thought I was going to have to break the glass but after a few tries was finally able to remove it without damaging it. This seems to be a recurring trend on the Blotto tanks.

Below are images of the V1.5. Dovpo has stuck with the bottle cap aesthetics used on prior versions. A quick turn and the top is removed for filling using the nice sized fill port openings. The airflow on both tanks is still using the honeycomb style airflow. I feel like the V1.5 has a little more airflow than the Single Coil version did but not a lot more. I liked the V1.5 with a single coil and the airflow wide open. I used a .35 ohm Ni80 fused Clapton coil and ran it in the high 20’s range and got very good flavor. I do feel like it might have been good if there was a little more airflow available.

As you can see in the third picture, the tank is easily disassembled for cleaning. This one wasn’t very hard to remove the straight glass. I did notice that once the bubble glass was installed that I needed to be careful to hold the glass in place when removing the build deck for rewicking when there was still liquid in the tank or the glass could move and liquid could spill and make a mess. I like how when inserting a coil in the V1.5 that you can use the post screws on one side instead of being offset like they were on the Single Coil. This makes coil installation much easier. The last picture in this series shows a standard 316ss Clapton coil that did not work well for me and that’s when I switched to the Ni80 coil that I used for testing. I got the wicking too tight on my first attempt and decided to change out coil and wick.


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Now to take a look at the Blotto Max. As you can see in both tanks there is airflow under the coils and also on either side with small holes in the uprights to provide the 272 degree airflow. I used two Ni80 fused Clapton coils rated at .4 ohms but for some reason the mod I was using the tank on came up reading .12 ohms when I would have thought it should have been closer to .2 ohms. The Max does have more available airflow than the V1.5 but once again I felt like it should have had more available airflow. I did however run the Max with the airflow at about ¾ open but think that some people may expect more airflow from a dual coil tank.

I didn’t get any dry hits but the vapor density wasn’t quite what I would expect from a dual coil rta. I might have been able to thin the wicks out a little bit more but didn’t want to thin them too much and take a chance of flooding or leaking. I experienced no leaking from this tank while testing it. I was running the tank at around 45 watts and would call the flavor production average.


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FINAL THOUGHTS:

I greatly appreciate the opportunity to try both the Dovpo Blotto V1.5 and the Blotto Max rtas. I found both tanks fairly easy to build and wick. For my style of vaping, I really very much preferred the V1.5. It could be due to my building skills as I don’t use a lot of dual coil rtas but I found the V1.5 to provide superior flavor compared to the Max and found it interesting that the V1.5 had a slightly larger liquid capacity.

Although the Max did have more airflow available than the V1.5 I felt like that both tanks could have used a little more airflow available. I often like an RDL so the airflow was sufficient for my needs.

I’d like to thank Dovpo and Neil for sending these tanks for this review. Thank you to the readers as always. Below is a link to the website.


Blotto Max RTA by Dovpo & Vaping Bogan – DOVPO Official

BLOTTO V1.5 RTA by Dovpo & Vaping Bogan – DOVPO Official


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What do cell ratings actually tell us? Part 5A: Discharge Current

This is part one of a two-part post.

This rating causes more discussion and disagreement than all of the others combined.

The manufacturer’s current rating, or ratings, are not the level at which the cell will explode. They are also not the numbers to start operating at, going higher and higher if nothing bad happens right away.

In my opinion the manufacturer’s rating is the number they feel will give you decent performance for the rated number of discharge/charge cycles (cycle life) with a reasonable degree of safety. It’s not some kind of hard limit. It is their recommendation for how hard you can use the cell to get the cycle life it’s rated for.

If you operate at above the rating, perhaps using a 20A cell at 25A, then you get worse performance (more voltage sag), shorter overall (cycle) life, and increased risk of trouble as the cell ages.

If you operate at below the rating then the opposite happens. You get better performance, longer cycle life, and decreased risk.

How much these things get better, or worse if above the rating, is too hard to quantify without testing. But the further above the rating you go the worse things can get and the further below the rating you go the better things can get.

This lack of a hard limit, a single do-or-die number you should never exceed, is what causes so many problems. Depending on your tolerance for risk, your performance requirements, and your cycle life requirements, you can have a current rating for a cell that spans a wide range of numbers.

For example…
If a cell has a 20A rating from the manufacturer for reasonable performance then perhaps it would have a 300 cycle life before it lost 20% of its capacity. You can use the cell beyond this (if otherwise it’s still in good condition) but a 20% loss of capacity is a common end-of-life point for a cell.

The manufacturer could give that same cell a 30A rating and it would be a perfectly legitimate rating. But the performance could be crap and the cell might only last 100 cycles. The risks of using that cell could also significantly increase if it was not kept from reaching high temperatures.

The manufacturer could also give that cell a legitimate 10A rating. It would operate very efficiently (good performance) and have a very long cycle life. It would also run cooler, great for use in higher ambient temperatures and/or at lower risk.

So which is the true rating? They all are. It’s up to the manufacturer to decide what applications the cell is going to be used in and to set a rating that helps their huge commercial customers decide whether that cell is a good choice or not.

For example…
If a cell is being used very hard in a handheld electric vacuum cleaner, only for a couple minutes at a time, the cell might have been given a very high current rating. The priority is power, how much they can get from the cell for short periods.

The vacuum cleaner manufacturer doesn’t need the cell to last ten years. They need to have the smallest battery pack possible that can run the vacuum cleaner well. The manufacturer of the cell knows this and would give a cell made for this application a high current rating with a temperature limit to prevent excessive damage. The true continuous current rating would be a lot lower.

So how can we use a manufacturer’s current rating? And what about the ratings for all those rewrapped and non-manufacturer wrapped cells? That will be covered in Part 5B to be posted soon.

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LTQ Vapor Curer

Curer Kit is suitable for Dry Herb, Concentrate, Flower, and Oil. LTQ Vapor Curer generate excellent steam or atomization quality. It features built-in 1500mAh battery, it has two heating methods: temperature and power mode. The temperature can be adjusted from 140°F to 600°F, and the power mode can adjust from 5W to 35W. The variable voltage settings have been set at 3.3V~4.2V. Curer Vaporizer Kit offers stainless steel, ceramic, and quartz coils to choose from: 0.65 ohm coil for Concentrate, 0.4ohm coil for Dry Herb. 1.4ohm coil for Oil.
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Juul mishap (help!!)

So I messed up hardcore. Last night I dropped my juul in the (unused) toilet and just pulled it out and threw everything on my table to mess around with in the morning (it was late at night and I was NOT feeling up to dealing with it) this morning, not thinking at all, I took a puff off the pod that has been in the toilet. I realized immediately after where that pod was from, and I threw it away. Now I’m so anxious that bacteria from the toilet is in my lungs and going to give me a killer infection and put me in the hospital or something. Even though the toilet had clean water, I know there’s hella bacteria in a toilet bowl. Should I be freaking out??? Am I going to die??

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The New VOOPOO VINCI & VINCI Q POd Kit Review-Which One Do You Like?

The Voopoo VINCI Q Pod System, featuring an integrated 900mAh battery, lightweight chassis, and exceptional flavor and vapor from the redesigned pod. Constructed from lightweight PC & ABS materials, the Vinci Q Pod System is perfect for pairing with nicotine salts to deliver delicious clouds of vapor.
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Utilizing the GENE Chipset, the VINCI Q Pod System is adaptive, intelligently detecting and setting the proper wattage when used with the 0.8ohm or 1.2ohm mesh pods. In addition, the VINCI Q Pod System operates off a dual firing system, working on both draw and button activated vaping.

The Voopoo Vinci Pod Royal Edition Pod System, featuring the Gene Chipset, adaptive wattage control, and crafted from aircraft grade aluminum alloy.
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Operating off a draw-activated firing mechanism, the Vinci Royal Pod System is simple and easy to use, but brilliant in design and function, maintaining an integrated 800mAh battery. With intelligent adaptive wattage control, the Vinci Pod detects the resistance of the installed pod and matches the power to output produce desirable clouds of vapor and flavor.

Which vape does you like better?Click vape store to order.

Quick Link:

VOOPOO VINCI Pod System Kit Royal Edition 800mAh 15W
VOOPOO VINCI Q Pod System Kit 900mAh 15W

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Freemax Maxus Max 168W - One of the Smallest Dual Battery Pod Mods

Freemax Maxus Max 168W Pod Mod Kit comes in at only 43mm by 30.9mm by 128.5mm and the weight at only 200g, which is one of the smallest dual batteries pod mods. It’s so portable in your pocket.

This Maxus Max Kit is powered by two external 18650 batteries and achieves 168 watts in a multitude of modes starting at 5 watts of power to bring out double endurance and sufficient power with compact size. With Type-C USB Port and 2A Fast Charging function, you can completely get rid of power anxiety.

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Steam Crave Aromamizer Classic MTL RTA | Hadron Lite Mod

Steam Crave Aromamizer Classic MTL RTA

Aromamizer Classic MTL RTA of 23mm diameter features 3.5ml e-juice capacity and easy top filling system. With the adjustable side airflow and various air pins (φ0.8 mm, φ1.0 mm, φ1.5 mm, and φ2.0 mm and a blind air pin), it can provide you amazing MTL or RDL vaping. The single coil deck makes it simple and easy to build on. In addition, Aromamizer Classic MTL RTA is perfectly match with Steam Crave Mini Robot Tube, Hadron Lite Mod and Hadron Mini Mod.

Details:
1. 23mm diameter, 3.5ml e-juice capacity
2. Adjustable side airflow, MTL or DL vaping
3. Single coil deck, easy to build
4. Top filling system, easy and convenient
5. Φ0.8mm, Φ1.0mm, Φ1.5mm, Φ2.0mm and a blind air pin for your option
6. Match with Steam Crave Mini Robot Tube, Hadron Lite Mod and Hadron Mini Mod





Hadron Lite Mod

Hadron Lite Mod supports 18650/20700/21700 battery with 100W max and Type-C fast charging. It can perfectly match with Steam Crave Aromamizer Supreme V3 RDTA 25mm to provide outstanding performance and excellent flavor. It has multiple protections to guarantee the safe use of the Kit. There are power/voltage/TC(Ni, Ti and SS)/bypass mode to satisfy your different needs. Hadron Lite SBS Mod also has 0.69 inch OLED display screen to clearly show you the device status.

Details:
1. Powered by single external 100W Mod with Type-C fast charging
2. Fit for Aromamizer Supreme V3 RDTA 25mm
3. Compatible with 18650/20700/21700 battery
4. Designed with 0.96 inch OLED display screen
5. Power/Voltage/TC(Ni, Ti and SS)/Bypass Mode
6. Spring-loaded 510 thread
7. Onboard reverse polarity/low resistance/short circuit/over-time/check atomizer/over-temperature/low voltage protection


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Occult Health Reasons for Vaping - What They don't want you to know

Supposedly It's all about tobacco and controlling nicotine addiction - We have already shown plenty of evidence that vaping is one of the best ways to reduce nicotine dependence and is much safer than lit tobacco products especially cigarettes. But is it good for other health issues as well ??? - And why does the FDA not allow advertising of vaping for nicotine dependence and these other health concerns:

1. Obesity - They say that one of the leading causes of premature death, besides smoking cigarettes, is obesity - Being very overweight. Doesn't it make sense that having a flavorful vaping blend {with or without nicotine as 0mg juices are still available} to draw on instead of another snack you don't need, might help with weight control?- Maybe that is another real reason they want to ban flavors ?

2. As a substitute for dangerous drug dependence - Doesn't it make sense that developing a vaping hobby might get some peoples minds off of dangerous drugs? - Nicotine is a lot less dangerous than many of the drugs causing much suffering and death throughout the world.

3. There is some evidence that nocitne might help protect from Alzheimer's disease:

Can nicotine protect the aging brain?
Date:
September 20, 2016
Source:
Texas A&M University
Summary: Everyone knows that tobacco products are bad for your health. However, according to research, it turns out the nicotine itself--when given independently from tobacco--could help protect the brain as it ages, and even ward off Parkinson's or Alzheimer's disease.

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So there you have 3 reasons vaping may have health benefits they don't want you to know - You will not see this on the news; hear it from rabid fear mongering politicians working for the bought and paid for organizations out to restrict and eventually outlaw the vaping hobby as was done in India and now Australia, where you now need a doctors prescription to buy vaping supplies.
Still, all things considered, even they sometimes have to admit the truth
- The FDA has finally admited that vaping is in fact less toxic than cigarettes !!!

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