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wonder just how long our govt is gonna ignore these. Health effects on the vapers themselves aside, as that is still a heated debate, the effects on the people surrounding us should be taken into consideration as well.
Smoking : harms both the smoker and the people around.
vaping : May harm the vaper, but not the people around.
Do you guys realise that when the rave about how these things are not harmful and proven, our G immediately ban shisha? Like, out of nowhere suddenly ban shisha?
That is because if they do not ban shisha, it is likelyhood they have to allow the vapes. That scared them into believing that their income will be slashed by half, therefore they got rid of anything in the way of their taxes.
That is because if they do not ban shisha, it is likelyhood they have to allow the vapes. That scared them into believing that their income will be slashed by half, therefore they got rid of anything in the way of their taxes.
Yep. That's how it works. I wonder if we are the only place with the most number of bans. LOL.
Courtesy of RuaDeS@ECF,
A study about the effects of exhaled vapor from electronic cigarette and smoke from tobacco by the University of Valencia (Spain). An interview with Dr Miguel de la Guardia, professor of analytical chemistry, who was in charge of this investigation.
A study about the effects of exhaled vapor from electronic cigarette and smoke from tobacco by the University of Valencia (Spain). An interview with Dr Miguel de la Guardia, professor of analytical chemistry, who was in charge of this investigation.
this thread is amazing. love the articles!
anyway, it is all about the tax $$$. Anything that cannot be regulated (i.e. TAX) it is touted as harmful blah blah. but cigarettes have an existed tax structure so hey ho no issue there.
Not sure if this is true, but my understanding is that the big tobacco are part of the FTA so there is no way in this universe that the G will ban ciggies. Then again, it is a lucrative source of tax $$$ so why slay the golden goose eh?
i think this is the be all end all mentality. something new? ban it till "further instructions". how to justify the ban? slap on all kinds of social ills on it, be it fact or not.
what to do?
anyway, it is all about the tax $$$. Anything that cannot be regulated (i.e. TAX) it is touted as harmful blah blah. but cigarettes have an existed tax structure so hey ho no issue there.
Not sure if this is true, but my understanding is that the big tobacco are part of the FTA so there is no way in this universe that the G will ban ciggies. Then again, it is a lucrative source of tax $$$ so why slay the golden goose eh?
i think this is the be all end all mentality. something new? ban it till "further instructions". how to justify the ban? slap on all kinds of social ills on it, be it fact or not.
what to do?
Just thought the good work of these gentlemen need to be brought up again & included in this thread,
Mr Clive Bates & Professor Gerry Stimson's open letter to the Government of Singapore,
Singapore law protects the most dangerous nicotine products, bans the safest – why? (18th June 2015)
Mr Clive Bates & Professor Gerry Stimson's letter to the Hong Kong Legislative Council Panel on Health Services,
Hong Kong health department moves decisively to protect the cigarette trade (3rd July 2015)
Letter to the Legislative Council of The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from Dr Farsalinos,
"A decision to ban electronic cigarettes will represent nothing more than a great opportunity missed": letter to Hong Kong officials (22nd July 2015)
Mr Clive Bates & Professor Gerry Stimson's open letter to the Government of Singapore,
Singapore law protects the most dangerous nicotine products, bans the safest – why? (18th June 2015)
Mr Clive Bates & Professor Gerry Stimson's letter to the Hong Kong Legislative Council Panel on Health Services,
Hong Kong health department moves decisively to protect the cigarette trade (3rd July 2015)
Letter to the Legislative Council of The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from Dr Farsalinos,
"A decision to ban electronic cigarettes will represent nothing more than a great opportunity missed": letter to Hong Kong officials (22nd July 2015)
Great articles here. But we all know, and its no secret, that the authorities will ignore anything that is in favour of vaping. They will widely publicise anything negative, and the positive will be kept hush hush. I know they are reading this, but they are just gonna choose to ignore it. You know, to protect their wallets.
It's the oldest and probably most effective trick used by governments world wide.. Control the media and you pretty much control the people.. Opposing voices, as long as there's no obvious 'snowball' effect, ignore them. Very soon they will quiet down and die off. Soon nobody will remember they exist in the 1st place!
Just read the open letter. There really needs to be more media coverage about this or it's just going to be swept under the rug. 
Media controlled by govt.Just read the open letter. There really needs to be more media coverage about this or it's just going to be swept under the rug.
Definitely, I have no illusions of local authorities heeding these letters or state media publicising them. If not mistaken, only alternative sites like The Online Citizen & Wake Up Singapore posted them.
Still, internet is a powerful medium. So I do think it'll help a lot in the long run if such topics are shared occasionally on social media platforms like FB, twitter etc. to create a better understanding of the benefits of vaping to non-smokers, would-be vapers and to the general local public, and hopefully this thread can facilitate that.
Still, internet is a powerful medium. So I do think it'll help a lot in the long run if such topics are shared occasionally on social media platforms like FB, twitter etc. to create a better understanding of the benefits of vaping to non-smokers, would-be vapers and to the general local public, and hopefully this thread can facilitate that.
There will be a time the future where they will acknowledge vaping is much safer than analogues. By that time we will tell them " I told you so ".
Only when they can get a substantial portion of the vaping market.. Which is unlikely lol
Lab Tests For Hundreds Of e-Liquids Were Posted By vaporshark And The Results Are Not Pretty (VP Live - Vaping Podcasts)
With tobacco companies in, the e-cig market is rather messy now. Any lab can produce a totally positive or negative result, and they can both be right, depending on what liquid and setup they chooses …
non smokers/vapers will seldom take the time to find out the real concept behind the e-cig revolution, and will take the test/research result at face value, as long as the guy in the pic is wearing a lab coat or with a 'Dr' in front of his name.
Sadly, many 'Doctors' and researchers, eager for fame and front page time, take the easy route, publishing their 'findings' without 1st understanding...
non smokers/vapers will seldom take the time to find out the real concept behind the e-cig revolution, and will take the test/research result at face value, as long as the guy in the pic is wearing a lab coat or with a 'Dr' in front of his name.
Sadly, many 'Doctors' and researchers, eager for fame and front page time, take the easy route, publishing their 'findings' without 1st understanding...
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