Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[tiburonfirst]

thanks for the update, br! hopefully, the second half of treatments will bring even more improvements! (((((hugs)))) and laterzzz!

 

[CES]

Thanks for the update BR! I'm glad it's doing some good.

Aubergine, i think it's also got to be about how wet you keep them. tanks double the life span of my cartos. Clear DCCs work well for me (10-12 ml) because i can see when they're low (i.e just over halfway full). I tend to burn the cartos on my Reo, because i don't think i refill them enough, and am doing well to get 8 mls through them. An no matter what we do...nothing is consistent for any length of time

 

[Katya]

Well now, I'm almost half way through the radiation and chemo treatment. It must be doing some good because some of my bodily functions are actually getting better.

I'm still doing a bit of testing with the C-E2 mods and can now verify that wattage is not an accurate way to determine a cartomizer's performance. Or at least it's not an accurate way for me and the way I use these things. Current or amperage is a better way, but even that doesn't always hold true. There are other factors involved and I'm still trying to make some sense out of this mess.

Hello, BR! So glad to hear you're doing OK. Hang in there, my friend!

I'd love to hear about those other factors; keep us posted.

 

[Katya]

"I took several ST cartos apart and never found any serious burn marks--maybe a touch of light scorching, occasionally, but I vape very clear, clean ejuices..."

Katya, I've had the same experience with my juices, which tend to be dark and sweet. I've been going around forever saying "cartos burn, no getting around it, you can minimize it but they all burn, such is life, etc." for ages... but these STs, several chain-vaping months in, just aren't burning. And I'm not even pure! Or terribly careful!
Wait, that sounds wrong...



But I'm talking about their DC cartos, now that I'm really juicing them up with multiple Taryn spins; others, including Katya, have had a different report.
I give up.

Never give up, Aubergine! Never surrender!!!

I'm sure that Taryn spins help--those DC cartos go through juice like crazy because you have two coils working at the same time. Keeping them wet at all times is critical.

Now, for the record, just like you said, I'm not the only one who had problems with them...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...1-etc-filler-type-cartos-477.html#post3292093

Things get complicated with dual-coil cartomizers, as we're dealing with two 3.0Ω coils but 1.5Ω resistance. I don't claim to understand how those cartos work, but, as EvilGnome6 explained it to me once,:

"Ohm's Law cannot be defied. V=IR holds true regardless of the variables.

If you have two 3 Ohm coils, you have a total resistance of 1.5 Ohms. Let's take a scenario of a 4V device facing 1.5 Ohms:

4 V = I x 1.5 Ohms
I = 4/1.5
I = 2.67 Amps

If the battery can't deliver that much current something has to give. Since it can't magically increase the resistance of the coils to keep the voltage constant, it must result in a drop in voltage."

So, basically, if the battery doesn't have enough amps, it will just drop the voltage... So what's the point? We're back to square one, aren't we?

Anyway, I'm really enjoying my single coil Smoktech cartos.

 

[wyojoe]

I agree Katya, ALL-All of any carto's with filler material in them, are burned by the time they quit performing.

 

[Katya]

Alas!

Howdy, Joe!

 

[wyojoe]

Alas!

Howdy, Joe!

Howdeeee to you, I enjoy all you posts, but sometimes I don't know where you are. LOL

 

[Katya]

I'm here and there....

But mostly in SoCal.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Howdeeee to you, I enjoy all you posts, but sometimes I don't know where you are. LOL

fyi, joe - our tweety has been seen lounging when she's not sailing or setting off fireworks - it's not easy keeping track of our fine-feathered friend!

but you can always count on her showing up when there is a question waiting to be answered!

 

[br5495]

Hello, BR! So glad to hear you're doing OK. Hang in there, my friend!

I'd love to hear about those other factors; keep us posted.

You may hear more than you want to, cause I have the feeling that this will be a long story, heheh. I can tell you my experience about the voltage, current, and wattage thing, but there is something I do not understand about higher voltages and higher coil resistances. Before going into that though, let me say that I always measure the battery voltage during actual use when making my calculations, unless the battery has a regulated circuit. I take the easy way out and use this calculator: Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

Perhaps it would be best if I first explained my previous experience. For the most part, the coils I was using were in the 3.0 to 3.2 ohm range. When used with a voltage that is the same as the resistance, the power is the same in watts and the current is always 1 amp. In other words, a 3.1 ohm coil on a 3.1 volt regulated battery consumes 3.1 watts at 1 amp. I got by with this current when necessary, but generally preferred slightly less (my replacement coils were not always exactly the same). My juice consumption at this approximate configuration was always about 6ml per day.

Then everything changed. The C-E2 batches that I was using from were supposed to be in the 3.0 to 3.2 ohm range, but about 4 out of a 5 pack were less than 3 ohms. Some as low as 2.4 ohms. This gave Peggy more than she can ever use in a lifetime, but I soon ran out of them.

At about the same time, the 3 volt regulated batteries that I had been using became unavailable here in the states. In order to get a factory battery with a low enough voltage, I was forced to go to a VV eGo pass through type.

The higher voltage selection of this battery allowed me to try some XL's in the 3.5 to 3.6 ohm range. This should have worked for me, but it didn't. The first 2 I pulled out of the box measured 3.8 ohms. Oh Boy! My battery has a voltage that should be perfect for this coil. Not so. This battery puts out 3.9 volts with this coil, but the vapor is somewhat weak. Why? It's putting out slightly more than 4 watts at slightly more than 1 amp, so this surprised me. But that's not the big surprise. This thing only consumes about 3ml of juice per day instead of the usual 6ml. The thing of it is, I don't notice it all that much and can now get by on half as much juice each day. About the greatest difference is that my draws are somewhat longer than my usual br sips.

So, what does it take to consume about 6ml per day? Only 1/10th of a volt more, or 4 volts. Evidently this voltage range is very critical, because 4.1 volts will run 3ml of juice through it in 6 hours. I do these tests with a mechanical pass through on a variable voltage power supply, which keeps me sitting here with a wire hanging out of my mouth. For the time being, I can only do this on the weekends.

Maybe I'll learn some more when this coil burns out and I can replace it with another one. I don't know when that will be though. I've been using it since about the first of January and the wick still looks good.

But then, maybe someone smarter than me on this forum can tell me what's going on, cause I sure can't yet.

 

[wyojoe]

fyi, joe - our tweety has been seen lounging when she's not sailing or setting off fireworks - it's not easy keeping track of our fine-feathered friend!

but you can always count on her showing up when there is a question waiting to be answered!

(but you can always count on her showing up when there is a question waiting to be answered!) And she does a fine job at that.

 

[progg]

Congrats Katya

I've learned a wee bit from you about vaping despite my not being a carto guy.

But my admiration for you stems from your ever active acquisition of information and its logical presentation.

You've earned it, my friend.

 

[Katya]

You may hear more than you want to, cause I have the feeling that this will be a long story, heheh. (...)

Bring it on. I just hope I can understand it...

But then, maybe someone smarter than me on this forum can tell me what's going on, cause I sure can't yet.

Smarter than you, BR???

Anybody?....

 

[Katya]

fyi, joe - our tweety has been seen lounging when she's not sailing or setting off fireworks - it's not easy keeping track of our fine-feathered friend!

but you can always count on her showing up when there is a question waiting to be answered!

(but you can always count on her showing up when there is a question waiting to be answered!) And she does a fine job at that.

Congrats Katya

I've learned a wee bit from you about vaping despite my not being a carto guy.

But my admiration for you stems from your ever active acquisition of information and its logical presentation.

You've earned it, my friend.

Thank you, my dear friends. You're making me blush...

Everything I know about ecigs I've learned here... from you.

I've been here for almost two years.

"Love, friendship, respect, admiration are the emotional response of one man to the virtues of another, the spiritual payment given in exchange for the personal, selfish pleasure which one man derives from the virtues of another man’s character."

A. Rand

 

[Rocketman]

So, what does it take to consume about 6ml per day? Only 1/10th of a volt more, or 4 volts. Evidently this voltage range is very critical, because 4.1 volts will run 3ml of juice through it in 6 hours. I do these tests with a mechanical pass through on a variable voltage power supply, which keeps me sitting here with a wire hanging out of my mouth. For the time being, I can only do this on the weekends.

br,
not many of us "low voltage vapers" still around
My first guess is when vaping at the low end, performance of a carto is marginal. A slight variation in resistance or wicking will impact vapor more than someone vaping at 6 volts. The 3 ranges of the VVeGo should help but (and I hate to say this) a true VV mod (if they go low enough) might work better. I run into a wide variation in carto resistance (yours sounds like packaging errors) and like you adjust vape duration to compensate. I don't use VV. Also the lowest two ranges of the VVeGo are PWM (remember the discussion on that?). The measured voltage may be a little misleading as evidenced by the vapor compared to your manual VV.
CE2 wicking is sometimes hit-or-miss (at least for me). removing the inner silicone o-ring, cutting larger notches to improve liquid flow works sometimes.

It's difficult to vary vapor production without a variable source.

Without buying another lifetime's supply of cartos you may be stuck with 'Variable Draw Length Modulation'

 

[wfx]

smarter? no. first step is to realize it's all been done before. and by smarter people. in the 60s.

i can't figure out the ce2 variance either. that and the wick performance and fiber decomp are why i'm moving to genisis. more control.

 

[arjay55]

Anything to do with the CE-2 has the potential to be a conundrum. Microcig does not have the best reputation for uniformity amongst the CE-2s. The intrepid pioneers of the CE-2 that still use them as much as possible have got the tweaking and cajoling down to a fine art.

I'm a bit of a flibbity jibbit when it comes to carto's. I want to try everything. I have drifted away from the fillered variety more recently though. I don't (successfully) drip so I can't really include that as a comparison but for best all round performance (taste, vapour production, temp and longevity) a properly working CE-2 beats anything else at it's peak performance. It's main drawbacks (and there were plenty) was the non-uniformity, the difficulty with the wicking and filling and the toxic taste that the earlier ones could produce from the get go.

I must admit I am a GotVapes fan in as much they satisfy my cravings for something new every other week, and I like being on the cutting edge of technology. As far as their different carto styles go - some have been diamonds and some stone. Unfortunately, a lot of relative newcomers don't realize these are going to have a learning curve or need a new revision, so they feel as though they have been short changed. How many times did we go through that with the CE-2's, and they were all the same technology.

I'm rambling, I know. My point is we have never had it better in the vaping world. I cannot understand why anyone would take a fillered carto over a non-fillered, especially now. Now with the see through styles and relatively easy filling, their longevity is matching or surpassing mls throughput in many cases the equivalent fillered carto's cost for cost (eg 5 x fillered to 1 x XYZ non fillered).

That what makes it great at the moment. Technology is still being upgraded in fillered carto's too, maybe not as drastically but it has not stagnated or started to die out.

Have to stop, too sore, need vape . . .

 

[Rocketman]

arjay,

I think CE2s work differently

- ɹəpun uʍop -



I would be totally confused down there. Is east to the right or left?

 

[arjay55]

arjay,

I think CE2s work differently

- ɹəpun uʍop -

Maybe that's why we have so much trouble with leaking out the mouthpiece.

 

[ScottB]

Maybe that's why we have so much trouble with leaking out the mouthpiece.

TMI arjay... TMI...

Katya's going to be blushing again...