Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos
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I'm not laughing at all!!! I value your expertise and I'm really curious.
Isaac is a great vendor and I know that he tweaks the cartos to his specifications. I also know for a fact that his horizontal coil cartos (the Gold ones) are (or used to be) made by SLB. I'm pretty sure that his 510 verticals are made by Boge. I wasn't 100% certain about the Fusions, but those new tolerances made me think about the subject again. Too much of a coincidence, if you ask me. BTW, I loved his old Premium Platinums in 2.5Ω--they were golden for delicate flavors.
As for the TH, who knows? Are you using them with an adapter? Maybe that plays a role.
Yes, sorry it's taking me so long...
I've been testing the single coil SmokTech cartos for a while. I tried 1.7Ω (the Resurrectors), 2.0Ω and 2.5Ω, in regular size and the godzilla-sized 4.5 ml ones. I liked them all. To tell the truth, I find very little difference between the 1.7 and 2.0Ω ones. They vape great, the flavor is clean, the TH is there but nothing brutal, and they are good for at least 7-8 ml of ejuice; not unlike the Boges.
The Smoktech cartos are much easier to fill as they sport a nice, loose "blanket" type filler, as opposed to that tightly wrapped "cotton candy" like polyfill found in Boges.
I took several ST cartos apart and never found any seriuos burn marks--maybe a touch of light scorching, occasionally, but I vape very clear, clean ejuices, so my results may be on the optimistic side. I also don't exceed my self-imposed limit of 10 ml--no matter how well the carto performs and I never vape them on anything higher than 3.5-3.7v. YMMV.
All my ST cartos are metal--I don't care for plastic cartos.
That said, Boges are still my favorite 510 cartos. Don't know why; just personal preference, I guess.
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GotVapes dropped the standard CE-2's a long time ago so I'm not sure if he'd know.
Besides, he stays so busy I hate to bother him.
right. it's a shame GV dropped the standard ce2, but i understand why. they chase the latest and greatest. very glad for that. i'll bet you they are the first US retail op with genisis style atties.
i haven't heard of too many healthcabin customs issues. imo they are the best microcig/royalsmokers 'front'. and i think less risk if you stick to ordering tech and /not juice/. their support here on ecf is excellent to boot.
I just checked HealthCabin's website.. $7.60 for a 5-pack of XL CE-2's? Kinda steep for a Chinese supplier isn't it? Even with pretty high freight I'm coming in around $5.50 a pack from e-liquid.cn.
From RoyalSmokers:
"We still have the CE2 cartomizer in metal, and we did not plan to remove it. We still sell quite a lot each month.
We aim to always serve you better so if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me or anyone of our representatives. Thank you."
"We still have the CE2 cartomizer in metal, and we did not plan to remove it. We still sell quite a lot each month.
We aim to always serve you better so if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me or anyone of our representatives. Thank you."
hehe...
I just hope they're being truthful. They never tell you something is going to happen UNTIL it happens.
I just hope they're being truthful. They never tell you something is going to happen UNTIL it happens.
I wanna give you an apology. The first part of my response was meant as a joke and didn't mean anything by it.
Anyways, the golds do perform differently compared to the others. Thanks for all the info on where his cartos might have come from. Since I have no clue on that subject. But, I do see that there are a lot of similarities between his Fusions and Boges. Just put in an order on the Mega Platinum STS's and other cartos to try them out. The Platinums I got are 3.4 ohms. So, I'm going to be testing them at 5-6V.
I think I'm getting more TH is because I'm using that set-up on my REO Grand. With a brand new battery, it's running at 3.93V under load. While it's 3.84V after it's been used for a little bit. I'm sure I'll get different results if I were using it one an ego or any big batt. I'm using a stealth adapter from Avid Vapors on it right now.
No need to apologize. Sometimes it takes a while to test them and come out with an overall opinion of them. How much ml of juice do you get through the Boges? Never took the time to notice the variations in the filler material.
10ml is very close to what I experience with my cartos. But, it does change from time to time. Sometimes I only use a carto for 6ml but, I never pass 15ml. Since it starts to develop a different flavor or it starts to taste burnt. Used to not cart if it was wrapped or not but, now I prefer the stainless cartos. Since it's less of a hassle to use them in a carto tank. Hate removing all of the adhesive off of them when I take off the sticker.
Thanks for sharing your opinion of the resurrectors, I appreciate it.
Anyways, the golds do perform differently compared to the others. Thanks for all the info on where his cartos might have come from. Since I have no clue on that subject. But, I do see that there are a lot of similarities between his Fusions and Boges. Just put in an order on the Mega Platinum STS's and other cartos to try them out. The Platinums I got are 3.4 ohms. So, I'm going to be testing them at 5-6V.
I think I'm getting more TH is because I'm using that set-up on my REO Grand. With a brand new battery, it's running at 3.93V under load. While it's 3.84V after it's been used for a little bit. I'm sure I'll get different results if I were using it one an ego or any big batt. I'm using a stealth adapter from Avid Vapors on it right now.
No need to apologize. Sometimes it takes a while to test them and come out with an overall opinion of them. How much ml of juice do you get through the Boges? Never took the time to notice the variations in the filler material.
10ml is very close to what I experience with my cartos. But, it does change from time to time. Sometimes I only use a carto for 6ml but, I never pass 15ml. Since it starts to develop a different flavor or it starts to taste burnt. Used to not cart if it was wrapped or not but, now I prefer the stainless cartos. Since it's less of a hassle to use them in a carto tank. Hate removing all of the adhesive off of them when I take off the sticker.
Thanks for sharing your opinion of the resurrectors, I appreciate it.
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Hey there Washvap! This whole 510/801 Fusion thingy got me so worked up that I had to dig deeper and try to find my answers, one way or the other. I went to Isaac's original Fusion beta testing thread and--drumroll please--I found my answers!
The 510/801 IKV Fusion cartos (that's what they were called at the beginning) were created to offer a 510 style carto to the 801 battery users. Here's a great review by my friend and vaping wizard Switched, who was one of the beta testers. This should explain a lot of things.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ta-5-510-801-fusion-thread-3.html#post2105946
But what I'm most proud of is this little exchange found a bit later in the thread:
I rest my case.
The 510/801 IKV Fusion cartos (that's what they were called at the beginning
) were created to offer a 510 style carto to the 801 battery users. Here's a great review by my friend and vaping wizard Switched, who was one of the beta testers. This should explain a lot of things. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ta-5-510-801-fusion-thread-3.html#post2105946
But what I'm most proud of is this little exchange found a bit later in the thread:
Yes sir John,
They are the 510 Pre Platinum. They are current;y out of stock at the moment, but have more more in transit.
I rest my case.
Hey Katya, just read the thread that you linked. It's interesting to read all the opinions and did learn a few things as well. I find it hard to believe how the counterpart to the Platinums and Fusions are the Gold series. Since they have a much tighter draw compared to the other two. Although, it seems that's some of the complaints that switch and some others made and wished it had a tighter draw.
Anyways, I did see how the Platinums ARE the Fusions. Actually ordered both of them with my most recent order and kind of wished I didn't order the Fusions. Could have tried another kind but, I think I've tried all of them at this point. Thanks for your input and the link. I appreciate it.
Anyways, I did see how the Platinums ARE the Fusions. Actually ordered both of them with my most recent order and kind of wished I didn't order the Fusions. Could have tried another kind but, I think I've tried all of them at this point. Thanks for your input and the link. I appreciate it.
Hey there Washvap! This whole 510/801 Fusion thingy got me so worked up that I had to dig deeper and try to find my answers, one way or the other. I went to Isaac's original Fusion beta testing thread and--drumroll please--I found my answers!
The 510/801 IKV Fusion cartos (that's what they were called at the beginning
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ta-5-510-801-fusion-thread-3.html#post2105946
But what I'm most proud of is this little exchange found a bit later in the thread:
I rest my case.
Well, the nice thing about IKV is that you can just order a couple of cartos and try them without making a commitment. I also tried them all and I went back to my Boges/Premium Platinums...
Ther are only three or four big carto makers in China--Bogetech, SLB, Royal Smokers MiT and the newcomer Smoktech. Any vendor can order from them and slap their name on the sticker. My Resurrectors are branded CCV, but they are still made be Smoktech. Most of the kr808 cartos are made by Boge (V4L, Turbos, GoldLabel etc...). The horizontal coil kr808 are made either by Kanger or by whomever manufactures Bloog cartos (Volt, G6, the new Nebula, Nhaler's MF-style...). They all come from the same place, methinks....
So what don't you like about the IKV Fusions? The draw? I hated the gold (SLB) line--the draw was so tight, it was like trying to drink the proverbial milkshake through a straw. I burned every single one of them.
Ther are only three or four big carto makers in China--Bogetech, SLB, Royal Smokers MiT and the newcomer Smoktech. Any vendor can order from them and slap their name on the sticker. My Resurrectors are branded CCV, but they are still made be Smoktech. Most of the kr808 cartos are made by Boge (V4L, Turbos, GoldLabel etc...). The horizontal coil kr808 are made either by Kanger or by whomever manufactures Bloog cartos (Volt, G6, the new Nebula, Nhaler's MF-style...). They all come from the same place, methinks....
So what don't you like about the IKV Fusions? The draw? I hated the gold (SLB) line--the draw was so tight, it was like trying to drink the proverbial milkshake through a straw. I burned every single one of them.
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That's what I like about them too. The bad thing is that I got overly excited and got 8 Mega Platinum STD's and 5 Fusions LOL My other favorite carto from IKV would be the Mega KR808/510's. They perform nicely and like the flavor that they produce compared to other cartos I've tried.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of re-branding with cartos and atties. Some are pretty confusing since the vendors chose to leave them un-branded with basically no way of telling where they came from. Really interested in trying Royal Smokers MIT. Haven't samples any cartos or atties from those two companies. Want to see how they perform compared to others out there. Another brand that I've seen would be the betterlife ones I've seen on Value Vapor.
Anyways, the only improvement that the Fusion could have would be flavor. The complaint that I mentioned about the draw would be towards the Gold series. So, I totally agree with you about the draw on those cartos and LOL. That's how I would describe the draw to them as well.. Funny thing is when you punch them for a tank. The draw, for some reason or another, improves and performs a bit better. Not sure of the reason though since I didn't modify anything else.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of re-branding with cartos and atties. Some are pretty confusing since the vendors chose to leave them un-branded with basically no way of telling where they came from. Really interested in trying Royal Smokers MIT. Haven't samples any cartos or atties from those two companies. Want to see how they perform compared to others out there. Another brand that I've seen would be the betterlife ones I've seen on Value Vapor.
Anyways, the only improvement that the Fusion could have would be flavor. The complaint that I mentioned about the draw would be towards the Gold series. So, I totally agree with you about the draw on those cartos and LOL. That's how I would describe the draw to them as well.. Funny thing is when you punch them for a tank. The draw, for some reason or another, improves and performs a bit better. Not sure of the reason though since I didn't modify anything else.
If you really dislike them, send an email to Isaac. He's a good man and, if your cartos are unopened, he might exchange them for the ones you like... Worth a try.
I guess if you punch a hole in a carto you may be improving the airflow through it. But what do I know?
I'm getting sleepy... Good night, my insomniac friend!
Nice chatting with ya'.
Sweet dreams.
I guess if you punch a hole in a carto you may be improving the airflow through it. But what do I know?
I'm getting sleepy... Good night, my insomniac friend!
Nice chatting with ya'.
Sweet dreams.
Well, I did dislike them but only have one left from my two packs. Used them all in my tank and never meant that to be directed towards you. I personally found that they performed better in tanks. Beforehand, I really hated the draw on them. Really had no use for them but, decided to try them in a tank as an experiment. In case I mess up or something and I wouldn't of felt bad about tossing it.
Anyways, it was nice chatting with you as well Katya. Talk to you later and hope you have a good one my friend.
Anyways, it was nice chatting with you as well Katya. Talk to you later and hope you have a good one my friend.
If you really dislike them, send an email to Isaac. He's a good man and, if your cartos are unopened, he might exchange them for the ones you like... Worth a try.
I guess if you punch a hole in a carto you may be improving the airflow through it. But what do I know?
I'm getting sleepy... Good night, my insomniac friend!
Nice chatting with ya'.
Sweet dreams.
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looks like this needs a bump and update from br!
Well now, I'm almost half way through the radiation and chemo treatment. It must be doing some good because some of my bodily functions are actually getting better.
I'm still doing a bit of testing with the C-E2 mods and can now verify that wattage is not an accurate way to determine a cartomizer's performance. Or at least it's not an accurate way for me and the way I use these things. Current or amperage is a better way, but even that doesn't always hold true. There are other factors involved and I'm still trying to make some sense out of this mess.
"I took several ST cartos apart and never found any serious burn marks--maybe a touch of light scorching, occasionally, but I vape very clear, clean ejuices..."
Katya, I've had the same experience with my juices, which tend to be dark and sweet. I've been going around forever saying "cartos burn, no getting around it, you can minimize it but they all burn, such is life, etc." for ages... but these STs, several chain-vaping months in, just aren't burning. And I'm not even pure! Or terribly careful!
Wait, that sounds wrong...
But I'm talking about their DC cartos, now that I'm really juicing them up with multiple Taryn spins; others, including Katya, have had a different report.
I give up.
Katya, I've had the same experience with my juices, which tend to be dark and sweet. I've been going around forever saying "cartos burn, no getting around it, you can minimize it but they all burn, such is life, etc." for ages... but these STs, several chain-vaping months in, just aren't burning. And I'm not even pure! Or terribly careful!
Wait, that sounds wrong...
But I'm talking about their DC cartos, now that I'm really juicing them up with multiple Taryn spins; others, including Katya, have had a different report.
I give up.
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