E-Cigarettes, Miracle or Menace? BBC Horizon...

[crxess]

So basically what I got from this was, vaping is still hurting your lungs like smoking. We don't know the long term affect of the vaping but it is 95% safer? So basically what does this mean, you can die from vaping? Lung cancer? I'd rather vape over smoke any day

It means what it says 95% Safer
i.e. if you are a smoker and cannot QUIT by other means, then Vape - Don't Smoke

Reduce Risk even further if you desire - Vape unflavored. Flavoring is indicated to cause Most of the limited damage.....................oh, and the Body does heal itself better when Vaping than when Smoking.

By the way, Vaping is Not something you Have to do, but something you Can Do when you feel you need to.

 

[crxess]

I'm personally more concerned about cinnamon and menthol than I am about diacetyl.

100% agreed!
.......................but who wouldn't expect me to? Vanilla Bean Ice Cream is a nice occasional Vape.

 

[Robino1]

Life is a risk.

I chose to live my life in a way that makes me happy.

Damn those who want to regulate how I live my life when it does not IMPACT anyone, other than myself, negatively.

 

[Dixie1954]

I was a bit saddened that there was no "dual user" group as that is how I quit smoking. Over my 42+ years of smoking I have tried most of the replacement tools, and vaping worked easiest. But if I had to choose between stopping cigs for vaping and not dual using I would not have tried vaping at all. Luckily I did not have to choose. Thanks so much for this video - I will share it often.

 

[DC2]

They show a lot of different testing in this video on vapor. Very interesting that menthol was more harmful to living cells than a Pina Colada flavored ejuice. So, all of these vapers that have been so worried about diacetyl may indeed find out that is not where their concern should be. That is what I have been saying is a good possibility all along.

I'm personally more concerned about cinnamon and menthol than I am about diacetyl.

Does this same concern apply to mint flavors in general, or just menthol itself?

I can go into details about why I ask, but I don't want to distract from the topic of this thread.
Suffice to say that due to my recent experiences I suspect it is just menthol itself.

Just wondering if my experiences match the science.

 

[Telmos]

Does this same concern apply to mint flavors in general, or just menthol itself?

I can go into details about why I ask, but I don't want to distract from the topic of this thread.
Suffice to say that due to my recent experiences I suspect it is just menthol itself.

Just wondering if my experiences match the science.

If I had to guess, I would think it's just the flavors that contain Menthol, and most mint flavors do contain it (Except Spearmint ).

• Menthol Liquid
  
• Spearmint Flavor
• Slim Mint Cookie Flavor
• Mint Candy
• Peppermint Flavor

Obviously, different manufacturers will have different components (and not everyone is that friendly to share what they are), but I am assuming the only adding the Menthol plant component is able to reproduce the minty flavor.

 

[crxess]

If I had to guess, I would think it's just the flavors that contain Menthol, and most mint flavors do contain it (Except Spearmint ).

• Menthol Liquid
  
• Spearmint Flavor
• Slim Mint Cookie Flavor
• Mint Candy
• Peppermint Flavor

Obviously, different manufacturers will have different components (and not everyone is that friendly to share what they are), but I am assuming the only adding the Menthol plant component is able to reproduce the minty flavor.

Never say never:

"The synthetic mint products are $3-$5 cheaper in the global market,'' says Phool Prakash,

Mint products lose flavour to synthetic rivals

 

[Oliver]

Does this same concern apply to mint flavors in general, or just menthol itself?

I can go into details about why I ask, but I don't want to distract from the topic of this thread.
Suffice to say that due to my recent experiences I suspect it is just menthol itself.

Just wondering if my experiences match the science.

Menthol itself. It's probably not a good idea long term, despite being one of the pharmacopoeia's safe inhalants. I found it didn't react well with me personally, so have been following the studies.

On cinnamon - it's cinnamaldehyde that's the specific troublesome ingredient.

 

[Oliver]

Oh, also - menthol is a specific compound, but it can be simulated using a coolant compound and mint flavor.

 

[orion7319]

Menthol itself. It's probably not a good idea long term, despite being one of the pharmacopoeia's safe inhalants. I found it didn't react well with me personally, so have been following the studies.

On cinnamon - it's cinnamaldehyde that's the specific troublesome ingredient.

I spent ten years of my life working as the resident AV tech at a conference center. You learn a lot of interesting things attending 10 years of conferences in various fields. One day we had a group of dentists and oral surgeons in, and they started showing slides of some rather ghastly looking ulcers in people's mouths of folks who chewed way too much cinnamon gum... I quit vaping cinnamon shortly thereafter. We also had keystone in one day when I was still smoking and so I approached the keynote speaker that day on the best way about going to quit smoking as I was a two to three PAD smoker at the time. He had me go out and buy the patch and the gum, told me to slap on the patch and chew the gum when I felt like it and smoke my reqular amount of cigs the first day. He then told me that on subsequent days to smoke one less each day, continue with the patch as directed and chew the gum for as long as I liked. I was concerned about actually following this advice as it seemed a bit on the extream side, however it did indeed work... For a year anyway I was smoke free... And yes I did get very nauseous at times. This experience leads me to wonder how much input addiction specialists have been consulted with what's going on today, they do seem to know that the NRT's aren't the most effective thing in the world for some folks. Obviously I don't recommend people go out and try that, without consulting a doctor first....

 

[salemgold]

Does this same concern apply to mint flavors in general, or just menthol itself?

I can go into details about why I ask, but I don't want to distract from the topic of this thread.
Suffice to say that due to my recent experiences I suspect it is just menthol itself.

Just wondering if my experiences match the science.

I don't know but, I will say that I needed a very strong menthol liquid when I switched from smoking to vaping. I actually had a hard time finding one that was strong enough to do the trick. Had it not been available, I would not have been able to stop smoking and switch to vaping. That I am positive of. I vaped that for about a month and then moved on to Cinnamon Red Hot flavor. Haven't touched either in years but I am 100% certain that I would have bailed on vaping without those flavors being available to me when I started. May be different now that there are higher powered devices available. I couldn't say for sure.

My husband has vaped a flavor that contains a low % ( we vape low% of all flavoring anyway) of FA Peppermint and has for the last 5.5 years. He already had moderate damage to his lungs before we started vaping. His lungs have greatly improved since he started vaping. Peppermint flavor and all.

 

[cookiebun]

Well, I finally got this watched and I thought they were pretty even handed. Thank Michael Mosley. If you like science programs I highly recommend most of his other shows, especially
Pain, Pus and Poison: The Search for Modern Medicines.
If only we could get such a level headed program made on this side of the pond.

 

[Jumpin' In...]

Well, I finally got this watched and I thought they were pretty even handed. Thank Michael Mosley. If you like science programs I highly recommend most of his other shows, especially
Pain, Pus and Poison: The Search for Modern Medicines.
If only we could get such a level headed program made on this side of the pond.

Unfortunately, investigative journalism has died on this side of the pond. Sensationalism now rules.

 

[mcclintock]

That 2004 ecig that Hon Lik is shown vaping on in the video doesn't look that terrible. (elsewhere, I see it wasn't released 'til 2006.)

 

[IDJoel]

That 2004 ecig that Hon Lik is shown vaping on in the video doesn't look that terrible. (elsewhere, I see it wasn't released 'til 2006.)

Perhaps that was when he started prototyping it. I could see it taking a couple of years to get to a "Market" version. More so when you consider that it wasn't just "tweaking" a previous version.

I was rather surprised how much the PC board resembled the guts of a box mod you might see today (minus the slide switch).

His vapor production kind of reminded me of the first time I tried vaping in 2010 (it was a Volcano e-cig). It didn't have the lung hit I needed (not that I knew that was what I was missing at the time), and after a month, I gave it away to a co-worker. He gave it to his sister who smoked and she was able to quit with the Volcano's use. So that was a "WIN" in my book.

Two and a half years later, a young man sat down nest to me at a bowling alley after league, and pulled out a simple VV/VW tube with a tank and set it on the table. I told him about my experience with the previous e-cig and how it didn't work for me. He carried spare drip tips, and put a clean one on, and encouraged me to take a puff. I tried it, and for the first time in 32 years of smoking, found SOMETHING that could mimic the smoking "sensation" I evidently craved that chew, patches, gums, and pills couldn't satisfy. Seven days later, on December 28, 2013, I put my very last pack of analog cigarettes down (still half full), and have never picked a pack up again.

Sorry `bout that. I didn't mean to make this a testimonial.

 

[IDJoel]

Sensationalism now rules.

I respectfully dissagree. PANDERING now the rule. Stevie Nicks said it all when she sang "Listen to the wind blow" (and yes; I am completely taking it out of context )

 

[AzPlumber]

That 2004 ecig that Hon Lik is shown vaping on in the video doesn't look that terrible. (elsewhere, I see it wasn't released 'til 2006.)

I believe the 2006 date is when E-Cig sales began outside of China.

 

[7sixtwo]

Thanks for the link. I found the program to be pretty objective, without any strong biases. The conclusion that vaping probably has some minor negative effects seems fair, and the point is made many times that e-cigs are far less harmful than smoking, and should be used as cessation devices, (the obvious truth that the FDA will soon make verboten to mention ).

The only bit I didn't like was Omar Whatshisface interjecting his opinion that it was a "problem" for people to use e-cigs in situations/places where smoking is not allowed, and not specifically to quit smoking. That's a distinctly ANTZ attitude. It's none of his business, (or yours, or mine), why any adult might choose to use an e-cig, and that should always be irrelevant to laws, regulations, and policies.

 

[Robino1]

Perhaps that was when he started prototyping it. I could see it taking a couple of years to get to a "Market" version. More so when you consider that it wasn't just "tweaking" a previous version.

I was rather surprised how much the PC board resembled the guts of a box mod you might see today (minus the slide switch).

His vapor production kind of reminded me of the first time I tried vaping in 2010 (it was a Volcano e-cig). It didn't have the lung hit I needed (not that I knew that was what I was missing at the time), and after a month, I gave it away to a co-worker. He gave it to his sister who smoked and she was able to quit with the Volcano's use. So that was a "WIN" in my book.

Two and a half years later, a young man sat down nest to me at a bowling alley after league, and pulled out a simple VV/VW tube with a tank and set it on the table. I told him about my experience with the previous e-cig and how it didn't work for me. He carried spare drip tips, and put a clean one on, and encouraged me to take a puff. I tried it, and for the first time in 32 years of smoking, found SOMETHING that could mimic the smoking "sensation" I evidently craved that chew, patches, gums, and pills couldn't satisfy. Seven days later, on December 28, 2013, I put my very last pack of analog cigarettes down (still half full), and have never picked a pack up again.

Sorry `bout that. I didn't mean to make this a testimonial.

You should copy this and post it to the CASAA testimonials page. Strong story

E-cigarette User Testimonials

While there.... Become a CASAA Member

Free to sign up and we need more voices. We are getting louder and soon we will be able to drown out the naysayers.

Thanks for the link. I found the program to be pretty objective, without any strong biases. The conclusion that vaping probably has some minor negative effects seems fair, and the point is made many times that e-cigs are far less harmful than smoking, and should be used as cessation devices, (the obvious truth that the FDA will soon make verboten to mention ).

The only bit I didn't like was Omar Whatshisface interjecting his opinion that it was a "problem" for people to use e-cigs in situations/places where smoking is not allowed, and not specifically to quit smoking. That's a distinctly ANTZ attitude. It's none of his business, (or yours, or mine), why any adult might choose to use an e-cig, and that should always be irrelevant to laws, regulations, and policies.

Yeah, I said earlier that there were a few things that didn't quite set well with me. The above in bold is another.....

 

[Jingles]

I did watch the whole video yesterday. One thing I would have liked to see was them measure the bacterial or viral content of the room before and after vaping. It is my theory, and I've seen it elsewhere, that germs are greatly reduced in rooms that have been vaped in. They were looking for negatives. I wish they would have looked for positives during that segment.
Not only do we get less colds and illnesses, but so do many of our family members who don't even vape themselves!