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[BrentMydland]

Acetyl Pyrazine

Thanks, that is what I thought but after seeing the nuttiness comment I wasn't sure.

Been following this thread and have had my nic and supplies for a while but I hadn't gotten around to getting my flavorings yet. I'm finally getting close to putting my order in for them as soon as I figure out which ones to get. Pretty excited. I guess I'll add AP to the list.

 

[IDJoel]

Thanks, that is what I thought but after seeing the nuttiness comment I wasn't sure.

Been following this thread and have had my nic and supplies for a while but I hadn't gotten around to getting my flavorings yet. I'm finally getting close to putting my order in for them as soon as I figure out which ones to get. Pretty excited. I guess I'll add AP to the list.

I have been an ardent lurker on this thread for over a year now. But I have VERY little to contribute to the knowledge already represented on this thread.

The key to AP is start L O W (0.25% is not too low). You can always add more. But once you cross "that" threshold; burnt corn chips will dominate whatever else you might be trying to do. The threshold will be a bit different for everyone. some can't stand it above 0.5% while others like it all the way up to 2%. Also note that there are different strengths available. 5% (dilution) AP seems to be most common but I have seen recipes calling for 2.5% and 10% as well. Any of them are fine; just be sure to adjust your recipes accordingly.

As for choosing your flavors, I would suggest choosing a few recipes that sound like they are really in your wheelhouse and order those ingredients. Recipes that have shared ingredients are a bonus as you can mix more than one recipe with ingredients already on hand. Avoid the pitfall many of us (myself included) have made and order ingredients only because the sound good/interesting. The flavor arrives and then just sits there because you have no clue what to do with it. You ask for suggestions only to find that every suggestion has four more ingredients you don't have. Also be sure to write down, print out, or bookmark, those recipes so you can find them when your flavors arrive. Take this advise from someone who failed to do ANY of them!

 

[aceswired]

Id suggest starting with single flavors. Pick some that are widely liked and go there. The mad scientist stuff sounds fun, but getting to know and love some singles is the way to hit the ground running.

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[IDJoel]

Id suggest starting with single flavors. Pick some that are widely liked and go there. The mad scientist stuff sounds fun, but getting to know and love some singles is the way to hit the ground running.

Sage advice! I didn't really start making progress as a mixer until I started to taste and understand my ingredients individually.

Unfortunately (as I inferred above) I didn't take the "low and slow" approach and had the better part of 100 concentrates to contend with. To this day (three years later and almost 300 various flavors) I bet I still have at least 20 concentrates from that original order I have yet to even open. Heaven only knows if they are even still good for anything other than a reminder of what NOT to do.

 

[Carl2]

I started out at 18 mg of nicotine and just moved to 6 mg of nicotine, it been rather easy to do since I have a DIY supplies. I'm finding I really like a strong tobacco flavor, I'm not sure about the following part but it seems if I add a sweet flavor, maple, sugar, or caramel it detracts from the tobacco flavor. I still have a few more tobacco flavors to try, Cavendish is the one I'm really after.

 

[DaveP]

I'm about 5 months into DIY and beginning to understand what works and what doesn't. I'm still doing mostly single flavor recipes, but I've done one tobacco flavor with AP and MTS Vape Wizard that's really smooth and nice.

 

[JD1]

I started out at 18 mg of nicotine and just moved to 6 mg of nicotine, it been rather easy to do since I have a DIY supplies. I'm finding I really like a strong tobacco flavor, I'm not sure about the following part but it seems if I add a sweet flavor, maple, sugar, or caramel it detracts from the tobacco flavor. I still have a few more tobacco flavors to try, Cavendish is the one I'm really after.

I've made several changes lately. I'm mostly using mesh instead of cotton, I just went up to 10mg after a couple of years at 6, and also went to about 25 % PG after a long time of using mostly VG base. Changes are slight but I'm happy with them for now at least.
I have a huge sweet tooth though, and there isn't much I can't rescue with liberal helpings of vanilla, caramel, and sweetener lol.

If you haven't tried it already, you might like FA Oak Wood (or the TFA equivalent), because I'm thinking a good Cavendish has a hint of woody type flavors, and it doesn't add sweet. Just a drop or two per 8ml goes into about every tobacco recipe I make anymore.

 

[aceswired]

I started out at 18 mg of nicotine and just moved to 6 mg of nicotine, it been rather easy to do since I have a DIY supplies. I'm finding I really like a strong tobacco flavor, I'm not sure about the following part but it seems if I add a sweet flavor, maple, sugar, or caramel it detracts from the tobacco flavor. I still have a few more tobacco flavors to try, Cavendish is the one I'm really after.

Agreed. Adding the sugary stuff usually mutes the good stuff.

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[Carl2]

I only have 16 concentrated flavors but still find it difficult to keep up with trying the tobacco flavors, I just ordered a Cavendish flavor along with 2 others. I also ordered wire for coils for the RBA tanks I use, I'd like to try the stainless steel since I'm using Nickel now. I still have a long way to go but at this point it is still so much better than buying premade liquids.
I'd bought some mesh but was really unsure about how to use it. I went back to the quick easy cotton wicking.

 

[DaveP]

I only have 16 concentrated flavors but still find it difficult to keep up with trying the tobacco flavors, I just ordered a Cavendish flavor along with 2 others. I also ordered wire for coils for the RBA tanks I use, I'd like to try the stainless steel since I'm using Nickel now. I still have a long way to go but at this point it is still so much better than buying premade liquids.
I'd bought some mesh but was really unsure about how to use it. I went back to the quick easy cotton wicking.

If you're interested in Tobacco flavor suggestions, some of my favorites are Hangsen Tobacco, RY4, Highway, and Desert Ship. In Flavourart my favorite is Virginia. There's also an Hangsen RY1 if you like plain dry Tobacco flavor without the light caramel sweetness in RY4.

Read the reviews on the flavor vendor sites and glean some info from those who use a flavor. They usually list percentages they like in the comments and why they settled on that particular strength.

Stainless steel for me isn't quite as good as Kanthal. I've tried Nichrome, but I always come back to Kanthal with an occasional excursion back to SS316L. If I want something around 2 ohms, it's Kanthal 8 or 10 wraps. For 1 ohm coils I usually do stainless with the same wrap count. The same number of wraps and the same coil size will be about half the resistance with SS as opposed to Kanthal.

 

[Carl2]

I always use temperature so I've never tried Kanthal which is popular. I've tried the Hangsen Tobacco, and the RY4, the Hangsen No 5 is one of my favorites.
I found a simple solution for the sweet flavor taking away the tobacco flavor, add a few drops more of the tobacco flavor. It worked very good for me the tobacco flavor came back and the sweetness stayed.

 

[TraderX]

Tobacco Lovers,

Does anyone have an idea about what percentage Hangsen mixes their factory stock bottles at?

I have been using Danny's and Bob Chill's Hangsen recipes with supreme satisfaction, yet I still contemplate the actual "factory" bottle percentages.

When I wish to try a new Hangsen tobacco flavor I simply buy a small 10 ml factory bottle. If I enjoy it, then I order the concentrate from Bull City.

Oddly enough, I bought some Arabic which was very good, but quite unique and fairly stiff! I then ordered some concentrate from Bull City because it shows promise, but clearly needs a toning down over the factory percentage, or so I am thinking.

Any idea my friends?

 

[Carl2]

I have some premade Hangsen Tobacco flavor I bought shortly before my DIY supplies arrived. I have a mixture of PG, VG at 80 percent PG with 6 mg of nicotine which I put in a small bottle, I use 10 ml and start with 4 drops which is 2 %. To tone down a flavor I'd simply add more PG, VG and nicotine. If I were you I'd make a bottle of PG, VG and nicotine with the same ratio's as the existing mixture and the same volume you already have. Keep adding new mixture to the flavored mixture until it is diluted enough. Since the wicking contains the strong flavor you have to give the diluted flavor time to go through the system.

 

[jambi]

Couple of words on Purilum's two tobaccos that I just received. Don't know if they've been mentioned here yet, just wanted to get my initial impressions up.

Tobacco Original. Misleading name. This is actually a very decent RY4. Fresh mixed it's performing well at 7.5%. I have so many RY4s now it's hard to keep them all straight. I'd put this somewhere middle of the pack, but need more time with it to get a refined sense of what it is.

Vanilla Bacco. 7.5%. All I can say at this point is I like it better than Vanilla For Pipe INW, because I can actually taste it . Still on my first tank, time will tell.

 

[MacTechVpr]

…Stainless steel for me isn't quite as good as Kanthal…For 1 ohm coils I usually do stainless with the same wrap count.

I always use temperature so I've never tried Kanthal which is popular.…

Kanthal and Nextel. Not going into the litany here as to the rationale for performance advantages. I've already hit 3000+ posts and it was a long night. Alumina (oxidation) and fiber are net neutral for flavor and have excellent thermal conductivity. As an insulator it's electrically resistant when optimally invoked in contact coils. The concentrated and even thermal distribution of efficient closed coils conceivably ups internal pressure thereby reducing the vaporization point limiting excessive heating of the juice media. It's a marriage made in flavor I have found.

Good luck and a verry happy New Year to you all. Thanks so much for sharing.

 

[Carl2]

Since I like a strong tobacco flavor I mixed up 30 ml of Virginia tobacco. I generally use the temp control to increase or decrease the amount of flavor produced. I like to keep the temp down to reduce carbon build up. Next is to continued adding flavor to see how strong a flavor can be produced. Guess I can always add more PG VG nicotine to reduce the to much flavor.

 

[Kingboomer]

So I'm re-visiting my oaked dark for pipe after about 2 months, and wow! Flavor's amazing, not harsh at all, and the oak is more prominent. I only have 60ml left tho, I may need to make more .


-Kingboomer

 

[DaveP]

Since I like a strong tobacco flavor I mixed up 30 ml of Virginia tobacco. I generally use the temp control to increase or decrease the amount of flavor produced. I like to keep the temp down to reduce carbon build up. Next is to continued adding flavor to see how strong a flavor can be produced. Guess I can always add more PG VG nicotine to reduce the to much flavor.

FA Virginia is a strong flavoring. The Hangsen isn't as concentrated (like most Hangsen flavors). I really like the FA Virginia in a 2% mix.

 

[dannyv45]

Tobacco Lovers,

Does anyone have an idea about what percentage Hangsen mixes their factory stock bottles at?

I have been using Danny's and Bob Chill's Hangsen recipes with supreme satisfaction, yet I still contemplate the actual "factory" bottle percentages.

When I wish to try a new Hangsen tobacco flavor I simply buy a small 10 ml factory bottle. If I enjoy it, then I order the concentrate from Bull City.

Oddly enough, I bought some Arabic which was very good, but quite unique and fairly stiff! I then ordered some concentrate from Bull City because it shows promise, but clearly needs a toning down over the factory percentage, or so I am thinking.

Any idea my friends?

I find the same. Most HS I do at 7% but arabic I find needs a lighter hand. I generally do 5% but you may want to go even lower.

 

[aceswired]

5 is where I do Arabic as well.

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