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[dannyv45]

I haven't done this in a while but after talking about it. It kinda makes me want to stop my local cigar shop and ask if they have any broken cigar deals and give it another go.

 

[chopdoc]

I haven't done this in a while but after talking about it. It kinda makes me want to stop my local cigar shop and ask if they have any broken cigar deals and give it another go.

My last year or so of smoking I was making my own. I still have some tobacco at the house and plan on trying some of that. Just need some everclear now......

 

[doots]

Well, since NET extractions are considered a tobacco flavor maybe I can give a quick rundown on how I do NETS without being too far off-topic. There are many ways, nearly everyone does it different, but this method is very simple and gives good results.

I use a 30ml jar with screw top lid, and fill it to around 2/3rds full with tobacco. Don't ram it in there, just gently put in place will do.
Then pour in 80% PG and 20% PGA till it just covers the tobacco and then a bit more to allow for the tobacco soaking up some of it. You want the tobacco submerged.
Put the jar in a cupboard, don't shake it or disturb it, just let it do its thing. After 8 to 10 days, take the lid off and pour the solvent out of the jar leaving the tobacco inside the jar. Use a teaspoon to stop the tobacco falling out. Filter the solvent. I get a cotton ball, unroll it, cut it in half with scissors, rinse one of the halves then roll it back up in a cylinder shape to fit in a 5ml syringe. It will be a plug about 1" long and 1/2" diameter soaking wet. Put it in the syringe and compress it with the plunger, it should go to less than 1/4" in depth. Pull the plunger out, fill the syringe with extract and refit the plunger, squeeze it through slow, about 2 drops per second is a good speed. I discard the first 5 to 10 drops of water that come out of the syringe (from rinsing the cotton). You'll need to refill the syringe a couple of times, just keep the same cotton filter in there for the whole lot. Treat this filtered extract as your concentrated flavor and mix at around 10 to 15% to start with. Steep at least 2 months for most tobacco's, they are usually very bland straight up.
Using the 30ml jar, I usually end up with around 12ml to 15ml of extract that can make up 80 to 150ml of flavored juice depending on how you mix it.

I always use Cheesecloth and loosely place my cut tobacco in it and heat for an hour over low heat and then put up for a month. works perfectly and straining is much easier.
I never place tobacco in by itself although it all works the same.

 

[Ian444]

I haven't done this in a while but after talking about it. It kinda makes me want to stop my local cigar shop and ask if they have any broken cigar deals and give it another go.

Cigars take a lot longer, they need to soak about 4 times longer I've found. Just an explanatory note, the 8 to 10 days I said in my last post is for pipe or cigarette tobacco and depends on a solvent with 80% PG and 20% PGA. If it was straight PG you would soak it 30 days at the least. With 10% PGA maybe 2 to 3 weeks. Its the PGA that speeds up the extraction process and also seems to extract a brighter flavor. Then for a cigar, multiply the soak time by 4 or thereabouts, I think for cigars no amount of time is too long

I'm really curious to see if I can find some ADV's that aren't NET. I have well over a dozen single flavors here steeping now, Inawera, Hangsen, VapingZone and Samara Botane absolute I'm also looking forward to seeing how some of these mix with NETs. I think Exchaner has already done that, but I haven't found any details.

I've been reading a few older threads on Tobacco and DIY, some of you have been doing this for years, so I know I'm in good company here. I feel like such a noob though, new kid on the block sort of thing.

 

[Dixie1954]

I made up 17 tobacco flavoring dilutions. I do not know when I will try them out. Have to get my brave on to do them again. I tried to pick the most likely to be at least liked out of the 27 that I had tried before and did not lol. Now that I think all my buds are working again I knew I had to at least retry some. I decided not to make these 10ml dilutions and made them 5ml instead - less waste of my PG that way. So I did .5ml of flavoring into 4.5ml PG, and since I like drops I put them into the bottles I bought for flavorings that come in glass vials. I will report back when I start trying them as they steep.

 

[Metal Storm]

Made up some 10ml mixes with my flavors that arrived yesterday. I'll let them steep for a good while but couldn't resist trying a few drops. All three were good but Desert Ship seems like it's got some real potential. Highway and RY1 were good as well. I was skeptical but I could enjoy vaping these. Might have to make another bottle of DS to vape now!

 

[JD1]

Made up some 10ml mixes with my flavors that arrived yesterday. I'll let them steep for a good while but couldn't resist trying a few drops. All three were good but Desert Ship seems like it's got some real potential. Highway and RY1 were good as well. I was skeptical but I could enjoy vaping these. Might have to make another bottle of DS to vape now!

Desert Ship seems to get a lot of good reviews. Glad you're liking your new flavors.

 

[Dixie1954]

Ok got brave and used .2% of each of these:
FA Maxx - I like this 1 for sure - maybe it is the slight taste of a sweet maple in it?
FA Shade - even at .2% this is TOO STRONG for me!
FA Dusk a bit strong to me.
FA Royal - to me has a slight sweet sorta fruit taste - not sure what it is though.
FA Virginia - I think I like this now that it is not way too strong.
HS BD wow I do like this 1 not as strong.
Ok, all the FAs do not need any more ashy taste in them in my opinion I can taste it just fine as is. These were all tasted shake-n-vape but I will keep trying them as they sit/steep. I was very pleasantly surprised that I do like some other tobacco flavorings I just need to dilute them first.

 

[JD1]

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FA Dusk a bit strong to me. .......

At .2% I doubt I could even tell I wasn't vaping unflavored lol. Glad to hear you're gaining on it though. I liked both FA 7 Leaves Ultimate and Royal back when I tried them.

 

[Dixie1954]

I went back and read a bunch of flavor reviews that I had bookmarked and um er I taste them differently I guess - which can be confusing. I have 11 more to start up but will wait for these 6 to go through a good steep first.

 

[tierrataz]

Hansen BD?

 

[Dixie1954]

Yeah some say it is HS version of Black Devil - whatever that is? To me it tastes like a smokey baccy, has a thick mouth feel to it. I thought it had a weird sour/bitter backnote when I tried it at a higher percentage - I like it now though a lot. I bought this at ecigexpress - I see they only carry it in 500ml bottles now. I could leave that in my will!

 

[chopdoc]

Yeah some say it is HS version of Black Devil - whatever that is? To me it tastes like a smokey baccy, has a thick mouth feel to it. I thought it had a weird sour/bitter backnote when I tried it at a higher percentage - I like it now though a lot. I bought this at ecigexpress - I see they only carry it in 500ml bottles now. I could leave that in my will!

BD? A smokey baccy flavor sounds good!

 

[Dixie1954]

Ok I took all those 6 flavorings down again so now they are all at .1% per 3ml clearomizer. Since I reused the same coils it may take me a few days to actually taste the difference. I shook them as good as I could but I do not vape a lot a day only at almost 3ml so far. Will of course let you know as I go. This time I am actually having fun.

 

[PapawBrett]

Just stopping by to look around. I have found that I like Hangsen Indian. I really like it at 4% with 2% TFA Juicy Peach added.
Don't know if I'll ever get advanced enough to extract my own flavors. There are times of the year (like now) when this old trucker wishes he could sleep a little more. But you people do make for interesting reading...

 

[Jimi D.]

I'm vaping the Flavorah Cured tobacco. Very strong at 1.5%. Very rich and strong tobacco notes with an ashy flavor. There are no off notes. Just a great true smoking tobacco taste. It's definitely looking into.

 

[bhima]

So before I started DIY, I had tried a few Hangsen pre-mixed juices (555 and RY4). They were only OK at best, so when I decided to DIY, I gravitated towards TFA and FA. Unfortunately, there aren't very many FA flavors that are either: 1) good on their own or 2) aren't perfumey in some way. The only flavors worth their salt from FA was Dark Vapure, Latakia and Desert Ship (needs 2 weeks to steep though). Their flavors mix somewhat well together, but I found many of them would wreck my wicks pretty fast. I even mixed up HIC's FA flavor that used quite a few FA flavorings... the result? Way too mild of a flavor to be worth anything (I tried adding a bit more flavoring, but FA flavors almost never get any stronger, they just start to taste like nothing).

I decided to try a few tobacco flavors from the lesser discussed DIY flavor companies. First I tried Inawera's Gold Ducat. This flavor at 3% is one of the most complex and well balanced single flavor vapes ever. No chemical flavor or perfumes, just velvety smooth light cigar flavor, hint of cocoa and a dry white wine finish. This flavor is a "premium" vape all by itself.

Next, on the recommendations here, I decided to try Hangsen's RY1 and Highway. While I wasn't impressed with the pre-mixed flavors I tasted years ago, these two flavor concentrates are quite good. Highway is up there neck and neck with Gold Ducat for best single flavor tobacco vape for me. Medium bodied tobacco with some mild grass/straw notes and a finish of nuts and wood. I mixed this at about 8%, shake it and vape it.

Hangsen's RY1 is also a good flavor all by itself though not quite as good as Highway or Gold Ducat. Regardless, its better than any FA flavor by itself and it only requires around 2 drops per 1 ml of base, so its the easiest and fastest DIY ever.

Thanks for the recommendations all... I think I have enough flavors to keep me busy for a long time.

 

[gone3uo6]

So before I started DIY, I had tried a few Hangsen pre-mixed juices (555 and RY4). They were only OK at best, so when I decided to DIY, I gravitated towards TFA and FA. Unfortunately, there aren't very many FA flavors that are either: 1) good on their own or 2) aren't perfumey in some way. The only flavors worth their salt from FA was Dark Vapure, Latakia and Desert Ship (needs 2 weeks to steep though). Their flavors mix somewhat well together, but I found many of them would wreck my wicks pretty fast. I even mixed up HIC's FA flavor that used quite a few FA flavorings... the result? Way too mild of a flavor to be worth anything (I tried adding a bit more flavoring, but FA flavors almost never get any stronger, they just start to taste like nothing).

I decided to try a few tobacco flavors from the lesser discussed DIY flavor companies. First I tried Inawera's Gold Ducat. This flavor at 3% is one of the most complex and well balanced single flavor vapes ever. No chemical flavor or perfumes, just velvety smooth light cigar flavor, hint of cocoa and a dry white wine finish. This flavor is a "premium" vape all by itself.

Next, on the recommendations here, I decided to try Hangsen's RY1 and Highway. While I wasn't impressed with the pre-mixed flavors I tasted years ago, these two flavor concentrates are quite good. Highway is up there neck and neck with Gold Ducat for best single flavor tobacco vape for me. Medium bodied tobacco with some mild grass/straw notes and a finish of nuts and wood. I mixed this at about 8%, shake it and vape it.

Hangsen's RY1 is also a good flavor all by itself though not quite as good as Highway or Gold Ducat. Regardless, its better than any FA flavor by itself and it only requires around 2 drops per 1 ml of base, so its the easiest and fastest DIY ever.

Thanks for the recommendations all... I think I have enough flavors to keep me busy for a long time.

I willl have to try out Gold Ducat. I am really into cigar flavors now and am currently trying to clone Halo's Black Calico (which is similar to how you described Ducat).

 

[Dixie1954]

bhima can I ask how much percentage wise were you using the FA tobaccos at?? And as for the new percentage I am using in the 6 tobaccos going down to .1% is great I can still taste them fine just a tad bit less strong.

 

[bhima]

bhima can I ask how much percentage wise were you using the FA tobaccos at?? And as for the new percentage I am using in the 6 tobaccos going down to .1% is great I can still taste them fine just a tad bit less strong.

Anywhere between 1%-3%. Tried a few at 4-5% but the flavor just died.

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