First experince with mixing, need help with flavor percentages.

Since my first mix does not taste like I want, I thought Id direct my questions here and ask about all the flavors I have for when I go to mix them.

All the flavors I have are Flavor Apprentice, with the exception of the MTS Vape wizard. The PG/VG and nicotine I have are from RTS vapes, but I'm thinking that any flavor percentage recommendations using Onestopdiy PG/VG and nicotine would also help in my mixes.

The first batch I made was with flavor apprentice chocolate, and it hasn't gone well so far. The chocolate taste is very weak, so I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I realize taste is subjective, but If anyone can give me a flavor percentage that works well with this chocolate it would really give me somewhere to start.

To mix, I used the E juice me up calculator. My target for this mix was 60PG / 40VG with 26MG of nicotine, and I went with 10% chocolate flavor to start.

Im almost positive my mixing procedure is good, and that I'm getting very close to the numbers I want. I used a nicotine test to reveal that the Nic content in my mix was very close to the target.

However at this ratio the flavor was barely noticeable, so I brought the mix up to 14% chocolate flavor, and added one drop of MTS vape wizard. The flavor seems to have barely changed though, so I'm wondering what I can do from here. Currently I'm letting it steep for two more days to see if that helps, but I have my doubts. The mix might not have enough flavor so I'm hoping to hear from anyone who has used it.


The other flavors I have are...

Tobacco Flavor
Tobacco Blend
Root Beer
Dew Drops
Menthol Liquid
Coffee
Cinnamon Redhots
Cappuccino
Chocolate


Id love to hear common mixing percentages for using these flavors straight. In the future I do plan to mix some flavors but I wanted to get the hang of straight mixes first. However If the chocolate is better when mixed with something, I'm open to ideas. I was also planning on mixing the Mentol liquid with one of my Tobaccos eventually. I just don't know which tobacco I have is better, one of them has tobacco absolute though, whatever that is.

Thanks in Advance

 

Thanks for the tips so far, I think after it steeps another couple days I'll test it again. That will give it 5 days or so. If it's still not close I'll bring the flavor up from 14% to 17% or so. Then test again to see if I need more, I guess I'll probably stop adding flavor when I hit 20% if the flavor hasn't improved to make room for another flavor to mix.

At this point I'll add a small amount of something else as has been suggested.

I was wondering about percentages with the other flavors I have, each one I'll probably try as stand alone flavors just to see what amount is good to mix. If anyone already knows which of these are good by themselves, and what percentages I should aim at that would really save me some time.

Also, is their a good liquid sweetener available at OnestopDIY? I keep hearing about Loranns Cotton Candy, but I didn't see it available. Id rather deal with liquid sweeteners to cut down on the steps I need to take during mixing, plus I'm thinking liquid sweatners will have a more consistent amount of sweet to it from bottle to bottle, than anything I make myself by crushing crystals.

Thanks

 

Thanks for the info. Taste is indeed subjective but I guess what im looking for is an average base number to start with for each flavor.

If for example a cinnamon flavor is best at 8 -18 % depending on taste and pg/vg ratio, id advertise that as a flavor that has about an 13% average. Then explain that this number will vary by about 5% in either direction depending on taste.

If a chocolate flavor requires more, say 15 - 25 % flavor id advertise that with a target of 20% give or take 5%

Those are just examples that aren't based on results, but to have an average number like that to start with would help DIYers in determining whether or not a certain flavor is stronger than another at the same concentration. That would really save some time and energy for newbs like me. Although the smell test is also a good idea.

Are you finding any trends in Flavor Apprentice flavors as far as percentages go? The website advertises 10-20% for these flavors, but perhaps your hearing whether or not most people lean to the high or low end of this scale? If not, are there any trends with the flavors I have?

Thanks a million Kimerpuff

To answer your question on the flavor, Id describe it as very weak. I can taste the chocolate somewhat but It's very faint. Their is another flavor merging with it, which I'm guessing is the nicotine. It's giving me some TH but their is a weird flavor comming from either the Nic or the chocolate flavor.

The PG and VG Ive vaped straight and they check out, very sightly sweet in taste.

I also just mixed 3 6ml batches of nicotine at 26mg for flavor testing. One batch is 100PG / Nic, the second is 60pg / 40vg / nic, the third is just the VG mixed with the Nic. Im hoping without flavor I'll be able to sense how my nicotine base might be adding to the flavor. Plus I'll get to see how significant the throat hit difference is on these mixes.

 

Thats ok, I'll just learn as I go.

I did find out where the funny taste was coming from after vaping 26mg nic without flavor in three test. It seems to be the nicotine.

The first test was 100PG / 26 mg PGnic (this was very harsh and unpleasent tasting)

The second test was in a 60pg/40vg base with 26 mg PGnic (less harsh, but still tasted funny)

The last test was VG, with 26mg PGnic (this was the smoothest of the three test but I could still taste the nicotine)


So im in a position now where I realise the flavor of the nicotine will have to be masked, increasing the amount of flavor I need even more. If anyone has any tips on how to reduce or eliminate the flavor of a nicotine base without effecting nicotine content it would really help me in making better tasting mixes.

 

About the Cotton Candy, Ive been hearing this recommended as a sweetener. One poster said they use Lorann's cotton candy, which is just ethyl maltol in PG. Would this be the same for Flavor Apprentice cotton candy? I am looking to get a good sweetener. Under TFA I saw something labeled (sweetener), and I saw cotton candy.

I didn't see Loranns cotton candy though. I guess Im confused as to what will work best.

 

Great resource, If I knew about that before I would have gotten the double chocolate flavor instead. I suppose I'll have to probably cut this flavor with another but I'm thinking I can still salvage it.

Thanks for the link, I love the detailed descriptions.

 

Thanks for the info, the other poster might have made a typo. I suppose I'll go with the TFA cotton candy then.

Im still waiting on a response about my nicotine from the distributor to find out if the taste is normal. Ive vaped 24mg premixed many times without the odd flavor so Im thinking they either have cleaner tasting nic, or they know what to add to the nic to dampen the taste. I'll have to wait and see because it will be a shame to waste all these flavors on a nicotine that might just taste bad. I will try recovering the chocolate with these tips though.