Flavourart published test results for their entire line of flavorings.

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I'm going to go out on limb here. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to saw it off.

Since, as I've read in numerous threads discsussing this issue, there are currently no set standards for testing, it would seem these results have very little meaning.

Until testing standards are agreed upon and set, none of these test results mean much of anything.
 

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What I noticed is they had levels. "the limit of detection is 1.13 ug/mL for 'Diacetyl' and 1.22 ug/mL for '2,3-Pentanedione'." I don't know exactly what this means but I assumed it meant that no Diacetyl or Pentanedione were detected above this level.

No, it means that the test cannot detect Diacetyl or Pentanedione below those levels. Below that, if there is any it's too small of an amount to be detectable.
 

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Is there a reason they didn't test for Acetoin?

Probably because Acetoin itself isn't a diketone and requires an oxidation process to convert it to a diketone. And even after the oxidation you only get trace amounts of diketones from a fairly significant amount of Acetoin.
 

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Probably because Acetoin itself isn't a diketone and requires an oxidation process to convert it to a diketone. And even after the oxidation you only get trace amounts of diketones from a fairly significant amount of Acetoin.

Understood, but for those who worry about such things, it seems like one of the things they worry about so I figured they would go ahead and include it in the analysis. But I suppose the testing is per compound and would get more expensive...
 

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Understood, but for those who worry about such things, it seems like one of the things they worry about so I figured they would go ahead and include it in the analysis. But I suppose the testing is per compound and would get more expensive...

Well, the thing is to go after the "most worrisome things" first.

I would suggest that anyone concerned about other stuff, and there is a lot of other stuff, just start moving to unflavored.

You can do that slowly....I started cutting my vendor juice a year ago down by about 1/3, then by 1/2, then by about 3/4, so I got used to vaping about 1% flavoring. :lol: Now, unflavored tastes good to me, sort of mellow and a tad sweet.

I really never wanted to vape DAP but also not sucralose, dyes, food colorings, (or titanium dioxide! :-x) , but lord knows I did when I started until I gave it all some careful thought. So, unflavored pretty much removes those concerns, once and for all.

It really isn't hard and that is the only way to really worry less if you are a worrying sort.

I think the other thing, and I don't know if this is true for others, but once you are pretty much "off" worrying about smoking again, and you've vaped for a longer time, you tend to be a lot less dependent on the flavor chasing, finding ejuice perfection, etc. I mean, you can just vape and get by and be happy......or at least, that is what happened for me.

When you are in the throws of getting off cigs, and still in the danger zone, you probably NEED to vape whatever will keep you off the cigs.
 

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so almost all flavours are D free? ... OK :blink:

WillyZee, I'm pretty sure Flavour Arts has been working on being DAP free for a while. I assume it didn't happen overnight. I remember back in 2012 when they were looking into all of this.

so, I was not really surprised that their test results came out well.

I am going to guess that, knowing they would have to outlay quite a bit of coin to do testing on the many flavorings they had, they probably worked with their chemists on getting them as clean as possible before embarking on such an expensive undertaking.

As a matter of fact, I am certain of it, after reading the notes after "yogurt":
Secondary testing being performed as results are not congruent with our lab tests

FA is/has a fully capable complete lab where they could do their own testing. :)

I suspect that they already did all the testing first in their own labs, then sent it out for 2nd testing. Probably to avoid any problems with people thinking if they did the testing themselves it might not be entirely honest.

So, no doubt, all these flavorings have been tested in more than ONE lab.
 
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Excellent. This greatly simplifies what I need to do to keep my pledge.

Who's the most reputable vendor for FA flavors in the US?
Bull city for larger sizes, mamaj for samples. Bull city just took off shipping charges without asking when I did back to back orders. I'd forgotten a couple flavors. Mamaj has impressed me as well.
 

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The FA site cited above says:
This is our third party lab analysis of our complete North American flavour compendium conducted by Enthalpy Labs in June/July of 2015.

Am I the only one who wonders why they state that they tested the "North America Flavour compendium"? Is it a different product line?

What about us bunnies in Europe? :vapor:

I vape flavorless now, but this whole flavour-diketones business interests me anyway.
 

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At least diketones and acetoines harm you slowly. A fire in your juice can maim you instantly. It seems pg and vg are both combustible - not only at high temperatures, but under normal vaping conditions. My wick has caught fire at least three times in the past month vaping at a mere 10 watts. More accurately, it wasn't the wick, but the juice itself. See video and test results here:

My Wick Caught On Fire !! | E-Cigarette Forum
 
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Why does it come as a surprise that e-liquid, being a mixture of two "alcohols" is flammable?

If your wicks are catching on fire while vaping, there's something wrong with your builds. ;)

I knew they were flammable but not at a modest 10 watts - that was the surprise. Most people go way above that - sometimes to 50 or 100 watts. Tremendous heat. Besides, the average vaper does not know the stuff is alcohol/flammable ....

As for something wrong with my build, remotely possible, but I don't think so - a simple coil at .9 ohms, properly wicked and no hot spots. And three different coils to boot. I can't be that bad. You may be able to duplicate my results by pulsating your saturated coil a few times.
 
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