that would be great if we can actually buy them at local smoke shops and retail stores.... I just hope for better brands.
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Wow, I'm blown away to learn that tobacco sales were effected at all.
I always thought the two products that could withstand a tax hike or economic depression would be tobacco and alcohol.
Yep.
Stores were hit in early April when all Marlboro products jumped about 85 cents a pack. It was a preemptive strike by PM and smokers thought that was the actual tax. Then when the tax really did go into effect, smokers and retail stores were hit again. To add insult to injury, there was another floor tax on any products that were still in the stores in May.
This was all followed by states enforcing their own individual state cigarette taxes yet again! Down here on the Gulf Coast, I-10 drug smugglers were replaced by folks racing between FL, AL, MS, and LA to buy carloads of cartons from the states that hadn't enacted their own additional taxes.
All in all, cigarettes almost doubled in less than six weeks.
Stores were hit in early April when all Marlboro products jumped about 85 cents a pack. It was a preemptive strike by PM and smokers thought that was the actual tax. Then when the tax really did go into effect, smokers and retail stores were hit again. To add insult to injury, there was another floor tax on any products that were still in the stores in May.
This was all followed by states enforcing their own individual state cigarette taxes yet again! Down here on the Gulf Coast, I-10 drug smugglers were replaced by folks racing between FL, AL, MS, and LA to buy carloads of cartons from the states that hadn't enacted their own additional taxes.
All in all, cigarettes almost doubled in less than six weeks.
That's when I quit. I knew the prices were gonna go WAY up, and now it's only 7 months later and it's 6-7 bucks a pack. A lot of people just can't stumache that. If you smoked 2 packs a day like I did, I'd be paying 12-14 dollars a day. I could buy a car for that. Thats $360 a month/4320 a year. OR more. Now if I wanted alcohol on top of that.......
Ah, I remember the days of visiting family in both OH and NC, coming home with cartons of cheap Marlboros.
Back in the day you could order your cartons online, avoiding state tax...that was until the government cracked down and began prosecuting online merchants/buyers.
Oh do I know what you mean! My mission in life used to be to check out local cigarette prices whenever I traveled out of state for work. Compared to what I paid in NJ it was usually a sweet deal and I'd come home with a stock pile.
Why on earth would you want to pay that kind of cash for those kits or carts. I also don't believe that flavors will be limited to regular or menthol. Waaay too much hand wringing over something that is still up in the air. Let's see if cooler heads prevail before we proclaim that the sky is falling.
That is already a mandate. If Judge Leon rules that the e-cig is a tobacco product, the new tobacco legislation specifically mandates that the only flavoring that can be used is menthol. Little late to be in denial---regulation is coming no matter how Judge Leon rules.
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What is the date of this hearing??? I just recently found out about Judge Leon.
Somebody quick, toss him a decent kit!
What is the date of this hearing??? I just recently found out about Judge Leon.
Somebody quick, toss him a decent kit!
Hearing is over--ruling is done--just waiting for it to come down.
See http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...erywhere-v-fda-daily-docket-sheet-update.html
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I remember that all coming down... Prices go up to make up for lost sales because prices rising, so states upped their taxes to make up for lost taxes because of less people buying as the price rises... But hey, it was for the children! Or, rather, it went to an increase in welfare. That might help out children.
County and city taxes also jumped, iirc, a pack where I live can cost anywhere from $10-14, not to mention a tin of Top went up to $35 from about $12...
Most Pilot truck stops have been selling them also.... About 2 months ago the kits were 49.99-59.99 for the two bat NPro Kits. 19.99 for the carts.
I've heard that some brands are in talks with gas stations, so maybe we can start picking up refills like we used to pick up cigarettes.
That's what I am hoping for... Just hope they don't make the flavor ban stick on e-cigs.... Tobacco and Menthol would be bad... Well at least menthol is tolerable, but most tobacco flavors are pretty disgusting in my opinion.
Ironicly, that was where I tried one of my first kits. It lasted all of about two days. We originally carried 11 models before the cost of replacing warranty batts and attys made it clear the cheaper models just weren't worth selling.
I'd be curious if "flavors" include things like MLB (Marlboro) or Hilton or if the ban would consider those as "tobacco/regular" and make them ok. I would assume any ban would be on things like grape, chocolate and butter-pecan-mango-cotton-candy-with-a-hint-of-lime flavors.
Would it just be tobacco flavor? or Could you still get plain liquid and flavor your own? I can't see how they would control flavors. I mean suppliers could sell a mild tobacco and then you just get your favorite flavor.
I mean suppliers could sell a mild tobacco and then you just get your favorite flavor.
I think that is certainly true fish provided we can still get liquids at all. The flavorings are used to make candy and other such things so they wouldn't fall into this kind of regulation. However, I see this potentially going to non-refillable carts or cartomizers at low levels of nicotine, as a means of regulation and taxation.
When the anti-fruit-flavor tobacco legislation passed, I was very worried, because I work at a hukka bar part-time in the summers. So far, no change there. People are still sitting down to apple, guava, clove, etc.
As I recall the legislation gave the FDA the authority to regulate fruit flavors. It did not mandate it to do so.
As I recall the legislation gave the FDA the authority to regulate fruit flavors. It did not mandate it to do so.
The RN4081 is a fickle beast for sure... but the attys tend to hold up less you run em dry.... how were you destroying the attys?
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