No Smoking (even e-cigarettes)

[sea]

I was greeted by the poster on the train today. While I understand there are a myriad of reasons Metro Transit may not want me or anyone to vape on the train, I am most appalled by my state's lawmakers' abilities knowledge of basic chemical properties. Smoking, really?

 

[Reme]

Since it says "by state law," I would do it anyways, unless your state's anti-smoking law specifically mentions e-cigs, because you aren't using an e-cig to smoke, you're using it to vape.

 

[sea]

If my e-cig is smoking, something is seriously wrong with it.

 

[Archimedes]

Tiny picture so I can't see what it says. I'm not sure how to feel about this, I try to obey signage so I don't get into unnecessary encounters that can end up with my PV in the pocket of a cop. But I doubt it would ever come to that in this situation, most likely you'd be told to stop by security.

 

[sea]

Oh I don't use it on the train. I've gotten yelled at enough times outdoors that I don't even bother.

The sign says:
By state law, these actions are illegal:
...
-Eating, alcohol, uncovered drinks, smoking (even e-cigarettes)
...

 

[skoony]

e-cigs are not banned by minnesota state law other than require a tobacco license to sell
which means no sales to minors.
the state of minnesota i think bans them on there property.
not by law but by policy.
the rail routes the metro transit uses are by law owned by the state hence there policy.
its miss stated though,there is no law against it.
its the same on the buses,because of the metro transit and metro area commissions policies.

that being said after having talked about this with a friend who is an employee of the
metro transit authority the un-official policy is to ignore it if its discrete and no one complains.
the timely,orderly and safe operations of the bus and or train have priority.
just be careful around stops downtown or where the metro police like to hang out as they
will cheerfully ticket you.

regards
mike

 

[sea]

Hey Mike. Thanks for the extra information. I may be more tempted in the winter to stealth on public transit, but for now I'm fine with being outside. Still appalled at the wording though.

 

[Mitey F]

If the sign says don't "smoke" e cigs, don't do it. It's pretty damn simple. You could be a "rebel" and do it anyways, but the only thing that's going to accomplish is to make you, and the rest of us look bad in the public's eye. Deal with it.

 

[Baby Luigi]

How did you even manage to find that sign? can't be that important if they hide away the rules on tiny signs.

 

[Silentchapter]

I believe because it's on government property it is unlawful to disregard posted rules. One of toughs red tape things.

 

[ImperfectFuture]

I believe because it's on government property it is unlawful to disregard posted rules. One of toughs red tape things.

I live in Seattle, it's not a state law, but a county law. He also quoted it wrong, not eating on bus is nowhere a law, just a VERY unenforced policy (tons of people eat on the bus, including myself, since downtown Seattle doesn't really lend itself to optimal gas/electric auto commute ). They probably don't enforce on bus, but if it's crowded (some people standing), I'd seriously wait, you can't even stealth vape in this situation, and someone is definitely going to complain (cranky and all).

What will happen? They won't call the police, because it's not against the law as a criminal act, they would put you off the bus (probably first ask you to stop, and THEN put you off if you continued). If you start calling the driver foul names and won't get off the bus, they will call the police, the bus will stand at the stop, passengers will yell at you, someone will go postal, and the cops will probably arrest you and the postal person for something other than smoking an ecig.

Just be prepared. (lives close to downtown Seattle).

 

[sea]

They have a new sign now that e-cigarettes are prohibited. I'm not interested in vaping on the train or on busses, but vaping outside on the platform seems harmless and that's prohibited too.

 

[patkin]

Disturbing... yes... but I think they're saying a vaper should be able to exersize the same degree of self-control any smoker does. However, it does pretty much fly in the face of "take your freedom back."

 

[jpargana]

They have a new sign now that e-cigarettes are prohibited. I'm not interested in vaping on the train or on busses, but vaping outside on the platform seems harmless and that's prohibited too.

Well, SMOKING outside would be harmless too (from an health perspective), since there is no proper study to show us the 'dangers' of SHS out in the open. That did not keep the nannying tyrants from accomplishing outdoor smoking bans.

So, there you have it: smoking bans stopped being about 'health' a long time ago. Including a smokeLESS alternative in a no-SMOKING law is the next step towards insanity. AFAIK, some places are also banning CHEWING tobacco (no smoke, not even vapour) in said no-SMOKING bans... "Will someone think of the chiiiiiiildren, please??"

 

[Tmg666]

As I don't consider my pvs ecigs I generally ignore these signs and treat them as them meaning cigalikes, hadn't hadissues yet lol

 

[3mg Meniere]

Yesterday, I was sitting in a waiting room, calmly reading my Kindle. Someone came up to me, and said "no electronics." My feathers started getting ruffled, until she pointed to the "No smoking sign," and I realized that she was referring to my pacifier. I said "Even if there is no nicotine?", as I was putting it away. She (knowing me) laughed and said "That's the rule." I calmly continued with my book, considering that banning electronic books was in the same class as banning electronic vaping devices (especially when not a cigalike).

 

[Tmg666]

If my e-cig is smoking, something is seriously wrong with it.

I have used this a few times in public when people approach me saying im smoking, I usually add a bit of patting my clothes to extinguish the nonexistent flames