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Red Flag Going Up: Vaping and Oils

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Raynen, Apr 2, 2011.

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  1. Raynen

    Raynen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 9, 2010
    I know this has been lightly discussed, but I've only found small amounts of discussion about vaping and oils. I do NOT think that vaping any kind of oil is safe, yet my favorite flavor is Snickerdoodle. Go figure that one. I'm seconds away from asking my supplier (Vaporbomb) if they use a cinnamon OIL-BASED flavor (or what they're using as a substitute), or any other oil-based flavor for that matter.

    After seeing this video[ ] from one of the April Fool's threads, which by the way was funny but sad that the FDA haven't given up :lol:, it really made me think about flavors that are oil based. Oil-inhalation sounds pretty bad for lungs and overall health.

    Most of the threads here on ECF were atty-concerned rather than lung-concerned. I don't care if it screws up my atty, I care about my lungs now that I don't smoke cigarettes. Maybe it's time to make an "oil-free" vendors list, just like with diacetyl? I don't feel like stirring anything up, but I'm legitimately concerned. Thanks for any input :)

  2. hairball

    hairball ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 17, 2010
    Other Places
    Cinnamon oil by lorann is my favorite vape. I've not had any health problems due to it.
  3. Raynen

    Raynen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 9, 2010
    Good to hear :vapor: I'm probably being paranoid, but this is seriously worrying me. Like I said, I love Snickerdoodle, but I don't know if the cinnamon is oil-based.
  4. Zal42

    Zal42 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 20, 2011
    I use oils in my own DIY concoction with no sign of health problems. Personally, I don't worry for two reasons.

    First, that the only things I can find that indicate health problems with oils are when some people are sensitive/allergic to certain ones. Cinnamon is often cited for this, but it can happen with any oil.

    Second, oils are much more potent than other flavorings, and so much less is used. In my recipes that include oils, the oils component rarely exceeds 2%, with 1% being much more common. This is compared to the 10-20% for other flavorings. With such a small amount, any health risk should be equally minimized.

    Of course, if oils aren't in your comfort zone, then I very much recommend that you don't use them. Lots of people do, though, with no ill effects.
  5. Raynen

    Raynen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 9, 2010
    :lol: This is where my blonde hair shows, but what do you mean by other flavorings? As in from other vendors?
  6. Zal42

    Zal42 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 20, 2011
    No, I mean non-oil-based flavorings. I'm talking about the flavorings used in juices, not the juices themselves. Only a very small fraction are oils. Most of them are pg-based, and the next-most are alcohol-based. The oils in my inventory right now are clove, anise, cinnamon, orange, lemon, and a couple different mints. The rest are pg based.
  7. StormFinch

    StormFinch Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2010
    Not to make light of the subject, but I just wanted to point out the various oils we smoked every day, along with another 500 some odd ingredients, and 4000+ chemicals from the burning process.

    Allspice Extract, Oleoresin, and Oil
    Almond Bitter Oil
    Amyris Oil
    Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
    Anise Star, Extract and Oils
    Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
    Balsam Peru and Oil
    Basil Oil
    Bay leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
    Bergamot Oil
    Buchu Leaf Oil
    Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
    Cananga Oil
    Caraway Oil
    Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
    Carrot Oil
    Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
    Cassia Bark Oil
    Cassie Absolute and Oil
    Cedar Leaf Oil
    Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
    Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
    Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
    Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
    Citronella Oil
    Clary Oil
    Coconut Oil
    Cognac White and Green Oil
    Copaiba Oil
    Coriander Extract and Oil
    Corn Oil
    Costus Root Oil
    Cubeb Oil
    Davana Oil
    Dill Seed Oil and Extract
    Fennel Sweet Oil
    Galbanum Oil
    Geranium Rose Oil
    Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
    Guaiac Wood Oil
    Hops Oil
    Hyssop Oil
    Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
    Lavandin Oil
    Lavender oil
    Lemon Oil and Extract
    Lemongrass Oil
    Lime Oil
    Lovage Oil And Extract
    Mandarin Oil
    Myrrh Oil
    Neroli Bigarde Oil
    Nutmeg Powder and Oil
    Oak chips extract and oil
    Olibanum oil
    Opoponax oil and gum
    Orange oil and extract
    Origanum oil
    Orris concrete oil and root extract
    Palmarosa Oil
    Parsley Seed Oil
    Patchouli Oil
    Pepper Oil, Black And White
    Peppermint Oil
    Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
    Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
    Pimenta Leaf Oil
    Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
    Rose Absolute and Oil
    Rosemary Oil
    Sage, Sage oil, and Sage oleoresin
    Sandalwood oil, yellow
    Snakeroot oil
    Spearmint oil
    Styrax extract, gum and oil
    Tagetes Oil
    Thyme Oil, White and Red
    Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
    Vetiver Oil

    This really makes me wonder how in world they had room for the actual tobacco! :p
  8. Raynen

    Raynen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 9, 2010
    Okay, sorry, just needed to clear it up. I don't feel ill or have had any bad side-effects. I feel better knowing that nothing serious (besides seeing the youtube video) has shown up so far.
    I know! It's crazy the amount of garbage that was in cigarettes, cigarettes that I used to INHALE! Now that I've quit, I'm a bit of a health nut :laugh:
  9. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    Your concern isn't totally unfounded. Nick at DV/TW knows a lot about this since he makes ejuice. Here's a few links to his 'Ask Nick' forum:

    Will a Clove E-Liquid Be Available?

    concentrate composition

    Note in the last one he says: "Essential oils are generally fine as ingredients, but obviously check the MSDS to ensure they're suitable for internal use (some herb oils, like Dill, can be very hazardous!)"
  10. kraylen

    kraylen Full Member

    Mar 16, 2011
    Salinas, California

    Health problems as far as what? I mean... vaporizing oil for less than a year hardly signifies what effects it may or may not have long term. I smoked cigarettes for years before noticing/feeling any sort of health alterations, with that in mind I believe if is far-fetched to assume safety in relation to vaporizing oil for a potential 226.14 days. Just my two pennies.
  11. joegti240

    joegti240 Moved On

    Jan 5, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    Dont worry, everyone here will tell you that they're doing fine after vaping for one year and everything we are doing here is completely healthy.

  12. Papa Lazarou

    Papa Lazarou Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 15, 2008
  13. Raynen

    Raynen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 9, 2010
    Hmmm. Even if it's small amounts, it still makes me ponder about it. I know cigarettes are insanely horrible for health, but I quit for that reason; it would be upsetting if things go downhill with vaping because of some stupid oils.
  14. Ande

    Ande Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 27, 2011
    It doesn't look to hard to avoid oil in your vape.

    So if that's a concern you have, I'd talk to your vendors. Get liquid without oil.

    I think everybody has to admit, though- vaping is a bit of an unknown where health risks are concerned. It is obviously, provably, and dramatically SAFER than cigarette smoking, so where that is the alternative, vape away. Vape lots. Vape and vape and vape and vape, instead of a single day back on the smoking habit. this really a lifetime habit?

    I'm greatful to the vape, for getting me off the smoke. But I have to say, I feel like I should ease off the vape too. Long term, I like my health prospects better as a non-consuming nicotine addict.

  15. freeall

    freeall Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 22, 2011
    Yeah, and what's your point?

    I've read in a couple threads now about you whining about the effects of vaping. I dont get it.

    Of course vaping isnt "healthy", but what the hell is in the world we live?

    If you don't like it, don't do it.
  16. CoughingBad

    CoughingBad Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 25, 2010
    I dont think thats joes point. Yes we all want to believe vaping is not as harmful as smoking, and most likely it isnt. But there are just too much unknowns. And thats why we are here, discuss and try to find out these unknowns. Its not uncommon to read posts where people ignore the possible side effects of ecig, convincing themselves (and others) everything is ok.
  17. Papa Lazarou

    Papa Lazarou Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 15, 2008
    As is explained in those links I put up, when you talk about oils you have to distinguish between fixed oils and essential oils. The former includes fats like sunflower oil. The latter being very potent, distinct tasting and smelling natural oils that are used as "building blocks" in many flavourings. Flavourings that are "oil based" (meaning the flavouring is dissolved in a base of fixed oil) should never, ever be used in e-liquid. I'm not sure there is any reason to avoid flavourings that contain essential oils in e-liquid though. I think that would severely limit your choices as so many flavourings do contain essential oils.

    Using "oil based" flavourings in e-cigs is bad because the oil base does not readily vaporise. It will just burn in the atomizer.
  18. NCC

    NCC Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 14, 2010
    Fla Panhandle, USA
    I for one will avoid oil based flavorings. Always have in fact, but especially since this unfortunate death of a vaper.

    I also try to avoid juice with artificial colors (who thinks that's a good idea??)
  19. otrpu

    otrpu Account closed on request Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 5, 2010
    Drats. . .I'm dead in the water. All I've vaped since I started is Cinnamon. And all I want to vape is Cinnamon. I don't suppose there's any way to get Cinnamon flavor without actually using Cinnamon oil is there? Damn, life was great, and somebody had to come along and rain on my parade. And me with about a year's worth of Cinnamon Mist in stock.

  20. joegti240

    joegti240 Moved On

    Jan 5, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    Because every time i walk into one of these threads where some kind of 'concern' is raised its the same handful of professional vapers that will say how bad regular cigarettes were and how vaping is perfectly safe.

    Vaping has not been around long enough (and probably wont be for some time) to make any type of determination on whether its truly 'safe' or not for the human body.

    And im not whining anywhere, its called being aware of whats going in my body. I know everyone here is an ex cig smoker that didnt give a flying **** for many many years about that toxic smoke, whats so different about this?
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